Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

We sold an N73 a couple of days ago on Ebay for just over £200, the buyer contacted my prior to bidding and once he had won the item, he paid by Paypal.

Mistake number one, as I now know. That will categorically be the last time I use Paypal for Ebay.

Now, he has paid and I have posted the item to the address provided on Ebay. I have posted the phone, using Special Delivery.

Today, I got an email from Ebay advising me of a 'bid cancellation' by that user, who may be fraudulent. However, when I look at the auction it is no different and of course it is effectively done and dusted.

I feel as though I am just waiting for the Paypal payment to fall over and get clawed back.

I am fairly sure there is nothing I can do except sit and wait. Even though I have withdrawn the money, they can still put my account in a negative. What the fuck do I do? Just sit and wait and hope it doesn't happen?

I might be worrying over nothing, but it just feels as though it's going to go wrong.

Anyone got any useful input/advice?

Turbocabbie

No your not worrying about nothing and paypal can and are known to do worse than put your paypal account in negative.... this is why I will not use them

Paypal is not a electronic banking institution and as such does not have to abide by the same rules and laws, it is a money transfer facility and nothing more.

It could be worth checking palpal sucks forums for similar thing and see how they turn out, but I personally would consider clearing out the account associated with paypal before they do

http://www.paypalsucks.com/

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

I am wondering about closing the account, but even then, I imagine that if the payment get's clawed back they will still chase me for it?

I feel as though I am waiting for something that will almost certainly happen, but I cannot prevent.

Eagle

iTrader: (2)

you have the addy the fone was sent to .. so send the lads round...

Miss Fiesta Turbo

if it was me i would probably ring ebay and paypal and explain the situation and ask their advice...

i've rang paypal 2 or 3 times and they've always been helpful...

rapidcossie

whats an N73?

RC4

a phone
christian,as said above ring paypal

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Beware. It may have been a spoof mail. I get them Almost every flaming day now.

You panic and click the link, it ALWAYS directs you to an ebay page to login, where it feeds you further shite.... but the damage is done, username and password entered on teh fake ebay copy site.

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

Remember, I haven't had the chargeback from Paypal yet and may not get it, just the Ebay mails. They are in my actual Ebay message box too, so I guess they must be real. It is the very early signs, which is what makes it frustrating, I WANT to be able to do something to prevent it, but feel that I have to just stand there with my pants down and the vaseline ready.

BlueSmoke

Had this with selling a car. Got an ebay question asking if it was same spec as this other one. When I clicked the link it brought me to an ebay login page. Thought hang on, that's not right.... and didn't enter anything, luckily.

Miss Fiesta Turbo

I got a spoof email yesterday about my account being frozen until i updated my card details... if the message ISNT in your my ebay message box then it IS a spoof... but if you've got the message in your ebay then its a real message!

Again i would call ebay and paypal and ask their advice personally

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

What worries me about calling them is drawing attention to it. I am inclined at the moment to remove my credit card details and bank account details etc from the Paypal account.

I am about to change bank accounts anyway and could easily close the credit card, so I wonder what they would do then? This is all assuming that the worst does happen. If they did claw back and my account just say negative, I wonder at what point they would start chasing you for the money?

The guy who bought my phone bought another at the same time from someone else, who has just left his feedback. I think I will contact him to see if he has any more info and, if nothing else, to warn him.

DanRSturbo

How would the bid be retracted after the auction has ended ? Unless he contacted ebay / paypal to say his account had been hacked, in which case, your shafted m8

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

That's the weird thing. The email says the bid has been retracted, but the finished auction is still there with all the bids in place. Gary had one of these a while ago and it amounted to nothing, but his was only for a few quid.

I am re-assured by the fact that it has been a couple of days and would have thought that if they were going to claw back, they would have done it by now.

Whatever happens, this is too much of a close-call for me, that's the last time I take Paypal on an Ebay auction.

antony215

Anytime they want mate when they have you card details. I had money taken from by bank account a month after i had sold the item

tsutton

Look in the Bid History of the item... any cancelled bid(s)?

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

No!!

Well, only the one I cancelled. Nothing to do with this guy.

Here is the email I received from them.....

"Hello christianbeccy (christianbeccy@hotmail.com),

This email is to inform you that any recent bids placed by anusitt may have been by an unauthorized third party. We are now in the process of restoring the account to its true owner.

If this person was the winning bidder for the transaction then the transaction in question should be considered null and void. You may relist the item and request a credit for the Final Value Fee. When a seller submits a final value fee credit request, unpaid Items are automatically identified by our system. Our system will then keep records of the credit requests that are received from sellers regarding transactions that were not completed.

You may file a "friendly" unpaid item dispute (UPI) remark in order to request the fees for your auction and this will not negatively affect this member's account. You can request a Final Value Fee credit through Unpaid Item Disputes by following the steps below:

1. Go to the eBay home page
2. Log in to your My eBay page
3. Under the "Related Links" box on the left side of the page, click the "Unpaid Item Disputes" link

For more information on how to request a credit, I encourage you to view our Frequently Asked Questions page below:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/unpaid-item.html

Thank you for being an asset to the eBay trading community. We wish you continued success with your transactions on eBay.

Regards,

Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
eBay International AG "

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

Mate, don't waste a second, get the cash OUT of your account NOW, and put a hold on it. You are being scammed

My mate sold an xbox 360 on ebay, standard sale etc, guy pays by paypal. So my mate goes to post office, sends it recorded delivery, pays on his card. Takes his money out of paypal and thinks nothing more of it.

My mate left positive feeback as the seller, but never recived any from the buyer...
3 Months down the line, He gets £360 TAKEN from his paypal account (luckily It was empty, so they just put him -£360 overdrawn, so none of his money went) by paypal, as the "buyer" has reported he never recived the item . So my mate contacts the post office, and gets proof he payed for postage on his bank statement, and sends it to paypal. They don't care, and have NO interest whatsover in helping him out, even though he is the victim and is being scammed.....

Paypal have sent him loads of emails asking for him to pay the £360, and he keeps responding saying ring me/ help me please, and they are doing NOTHING to help. They don't offer ANY support or interest, so he is basically screwed as its the buyers word that is taken as gospel

get your cash out ASAP mate, they take it from you no questions asked

RANJ

Christian,


on the paypal page, was his address CONFIRMED and did you send to this address , if so paypal should refund cut htere losss


aslong as you have a tracking numebr thats traceable online

gingeRS

WTF is happening with ebay??

going downhill fast

Doh

yes this is the key, if it was a confirmed address your sorted an he can't recharge the money if you have proof it was delivered... if it was not confirmed the like u say paypal don't give a shite, exactly that happened to my mate with a phone!

i wouldn't do any sort of phone deals via ebay, phones and cars are the worst!

i would pull your money out anyway... that way at least you'll have the money and paypal will have to get it back off you(what exactly are they gonna do? except ban you from paypal - big deal), if they take it out you will NEVER get it back off them and you'll end up with no phone and no money!!!

my mate even got the police involved but they don't give a shit either.. the only hope is if the guy does 33mph in the 30 zone they pick him up

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

Update.

It has happened. Paypal suspended the payment a few days ago and have completed their investigations now, in favour of whoever's Paypal account it was, so I have lost £215.

The item was delivered using Royal Mail Special Delivery to an address in London. Surely it is the responsiblility of whoever lives at that address as someone there signed for the parcel. I feel like I can't just take it on the chin and want to do something about this scamming cunt.

When I go back to the account and look, there was no address on it, so I posted to the address on Ebay. As I tried to explain to Paypal, if there is no address, Paypal doesn't show that or flag a warning, whereas if Paypal gives an address that is different to what Ebay has, then you instantly know something is wrong. How on earth is it possible for a Paypal account NOT to have an address on it?

Anyway, I will post the info on where I sent it etc, if anyone has any idea's.

tsutton

Sorry to hear about that

London are full of "private address" boxes, so the address you sent to could be rented...

Google the address, see what you come up with.

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

Dzefas Skerdikas
62 Appleby Road
Canning Town
London
E16 1LQ

What do you think I should do? I am quite prepared to make the 120odd mile drive down there, if it is likely that someone will answer the door.

antony215

Get yourself round to the address mate i know it's only £215 but it's the principal of it

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Sad for you mate.

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

I am quite a placid person but am well prepared to make the drive. What worries me is that I arrive there and no-one is home. I then have to drive 120 miles home for nothing!

Rossco

That sucks Christain

Ive someone retract 2 bids on 2 different items this week, i sent them an email telling them to stop fooookin about!

What is wrong with people

antony215

Have you tryed getting there contact details from ebay(the one they need to have to register on ebay) that way you can get there phone number(whitch is usally a home number) and give it a ring.

tsutton

The cloest match I could find was

Appleby Centre
63 Appleby Road,
Canning Town,
E16 1LQ

0207 445 7000

Chiropody, speech therapy, mental health, school nurses, physiotherapy, heath and district nurses

Might try giving them a ring and see if door number 62 exists?

gingeRS

i feel i have been had too, bought some speedo clocks for £25 inc postage, never turned up. i payed by check so paypal not involved, was always a little suspicious of someone who wants a cheque, cos they have 'problems' with ebay.

thrid time i have been done now, and really getting fed up with it.

some bargains on there, but may just stick to local collections if items are expensive, plus i hate the way someone can pay you, you send it, and then paypal can just take the money back its ridiculous.

tsutton

Oooooo

http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-34849.html

But the website address listed above doesn't exists!

A company called Smartpeople...

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

That address above is the Ebay address. There is no phone number on there and according to BT's site, that name/address isn't listed.

I can't see how Ebay offer you NO protection. I posted it to what looked like the proper address according to the listing that was won. The only mistake I made was that I didn't check the Paypal account address, which it turns out didn't exist.

At the end of the day, 2 people got scammed. Me and the guy whose Paypal account it was. How can they fall in favour of one or the other? We are both victims. What sort of seller protection is that?

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

That doesn't look very re-assuring. So, it's not a residential address.

Stu.H

Oh dear

http://www.ukdata.com/numbers/04680825.html

antony215

Try this mate

http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQtZvbQQsofindtypeZ9

i think you have to have a number on file to register on ebay the only thing is they get emailed your details to but might be worth a try

Paul Eggleton

Christain, Paypal are FSA regulated. Not sure if you can get onto them for assitance???

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

First thing I am going to do is contact the guy whose Paypal account it is. There is a possibility that he doesn't know anything about any of this and it could be a scam involving ONLY paypal (regarding the money). It wouldn't be the first time.

Last time, I phoned the guy who won the item and he knew nothing about the chargeback. Luckily that time it was only £15 and I won it back anyway. The buyer had agreed in that case to pay for the item again, which was really good of him.

Thanks Paul, I will try the FSA. Thanks to everyone else for your replies.

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

Here is the Paypal email address, how can I find out any more info about it??

ashish501@yahoo.com

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

Here is the email address from the Paypal account. How can I find out more info on it??

ashish501@yahoo.com