all show and no go............
07-02-2007, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NIL 7717
torque = a quick rise in speed and bhp=the high speeds
a fast car uses the powerband available well. ie, close ratio gears, sequential shift, etc etc Torque helps but is not the be all and end all .
07-02-2007, 05:37 PM
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Re: all show and no go............
Originally Posted by Shings
Originally Posted by col cos1
what does everyone think?????????????????????
im actually sick of all these cossies coming up in the mags with chrome this and polished that under bonnet and claimed outpouts but never put on rollers????????????
you cant fit greens and say 330bhp
or fit greys and say 400 bhp
my car doesnt look great under bonnet but produces what it produces
and im quite happy with what it puts out i just hate all this mine should be so it is........................................
im actually sick of all these cossies coming up in the mags with chrome this and polished that under bonnet and claimed outpouts but never put on rollers????????????
you cant fit greens and say 330bhp
or fit greys and say 400 bhp
my car doesnt look great under bonnet but produces what it produces
and im quite happy with what it puts out i just hate all this mine should be so it is........................................
Dont need a dyno to say that
07-02-2007, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Shings
Originally Posted by bud-weis
some people are genuinely clueless though,and will say what they think is right.....the mag can only write what they have been told i guess
Martin thats exactly what one of the mag writers said last time a post like this was put up..
You turn up with your car and say
" its got 500bhp mate- T34 25psi and greys"
07-02-2007, 06:55 PM
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Torque= drivability, it's all about area under the graph 
, a 350 BHP car with a huge torque spike will be much faster in the real world than a revvy peaky 500BHP that has to be thrashed everywhere
, a 350 BHP car with a huge torque spike will be much faster in the real world than a revvy peaky 500BHP that has to be thrashed everywhere
07-02-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MATCOS
Blimey each to their own mate, I can think of at least 2 big power cars that look superb under the bonnet-ESCYSCOTT and Dunccoss, both over 400 bhp Harvey bulit engines I believe, and they look great under the bonnet, whats the issue here, is it that you dont have a shiny engine?
I have a clean and shiny engine bay and have had it on the rollers at the end of last year, on greens it was 325bhp and 356lb ft
most stage 3's do make around this power whether they are dirty or clean, people have ideas and opinions on what looks good, so why talk down chromed and well presented engines?
heres mine-warning this may annoy you
And on the rollers
Or did I miss the point of this post
I have a clean and shiny engine bay and have had it on the rollers at the end of last year, on greens it was 325bhp and 356lb ft
most stage 3's do make around this power whether they are dirty or clean, people have ideas and opinions on what looks good, so why talk down chromed and well presented engines?
heres mine-warning this may annoy you
And on the rollers
Or did I miss the point of this post
08-02-2007, 07:47 AM
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There are lots of people with lots of power that produce shit times, which make you wonder how powerful their car is or how shit they are at driving
Its no coincidence that MAD holds the Topspeed records for T38, T4 GT30,GT35 & GT40.
08-02-2007, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
Originally Posted by bud-weis
just reading Pf mag,and there's a grey Fez RST,2.1 zetec with 365bhp@wheels.....on just 18psi boost,with a T34!!! surely this is wrong 
Steve.
Why is it bullshit?
You don't know what spec the cylinder head is, you don't know the camshaft lift or duration, you don't know the compression ratio, nor do you know the exact spec of the turbo.
So without all of this information, how can you say that the printed figure is wrong or bullshit?
08-02-2007, 09:24 AM
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they may claim to be running power so what if they are, all that extra weight in chrome isnt going to help 
and personally id rather see a grotty old banger running 10's than a pristine concoure RS500 sat in the pits being judged on how much shiney chrome its got
and personally id rather see a grotty old banger running 10's than a pristine concoure RS500 sat in the pits being judged on how much shiney chrome its got
08-02-2007, 09:25 AM
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I've just re-read my post, and think I may have come across a little harsh. This wasn't the intention, so if offence is taken please accept my apologies.
The point I was trying to make was that without knowing the full spec of the engine, how can you possibly know what it is or isn't capable of?
The point I was trying to make was that without knowing the full spec of the engine, how can you possibly know what it is or isn't capable of?
08-02-2007, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
PF NICK
Take that is a NO to my question then cheers for the reply
Take that is a NO to my question then
cheers for the reply I didn't say yes either though
I am willing to help out, as im sure a few other are on here. Doing this will allow the majority to put there cars up against one another rather than the minority who have 600 + bhp
08-02-2007, 11:06 AM
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I've just re-read my post, and think I may have come across a little harsh. This wasn't the intention, so if offence is taken please accept my apologies.
The point I was trying to make was that without knowing the full spec of the engine, how can you possibly know what it is or isn't capable of?
The point I was trying to make was that without knowing the full spec of the engine, how can you possibly know what it is or isn't capable of?
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08-02-2007, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by PF NICK
I've just re-read my post, and think I may have come across a little harsh. This wasn't the intention, so if offence is taken please accept my apologies.
The point I was trying to make was that without knowing the full spec of the engine, how can you possibly know what it is or isn't capable of?
The point I was trying to make was that without knowing the full spec of the engine, how can you possibly know what it is or isn't capable of?
.I'm not going to have a massive discussion about this as I simply don't have the time, I was merely making a point.
Have fun, I'm off to do some work
08-02-2007, 11:26 AM
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No offence taken Nick.....i expect it puts you in an awkward position when owners tell you the spec
as Mike said though,some things aren't possible regardless of other things we don't know about...although if you printed a full spec we'd have an idea
Anyway,just watched the DVD,loved it....was very very good to watch,even better when on full volume surround sound
Pf Cosworth thrash would rock
as Mike said though,some things aren't possible regardless of other things we don't know about...although if you printed a full spec we'd have an idea
Anyway,just watched the DVD,loved it....was very very good to watch,even better when on full volume surround sound
Pf Cosworth thrash would rock
08-02-2007, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
No offence taken Nick.....i expect it puts you in an awkward position when owners tell you the spec
as Mike said though,some things aren't possible regardless of other things we don't know about...although if you printed a full spec we'd have an idea
Anyway,just watched the DVD,loved it....was very very good to watch,even better when on full volume surround sound
Pf Cosworth thrash would rock
as Mike said though,some things aren't possible regardless of other things we don't know about...although if you printed a full spec we'd have an idea
Anyway,just watched the DVD,loved it....was very very good to watch,even better when on full volume surround sound
Pf Cosworth thrash would rock
No awkward position at all mate, we know the full spec, but due to the huge amount of development work thats gone into the car, the owner asked us not to print it in great detail. Simple as that really.
08-02-2007, 01:39 PM
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09-02-2007, 12:40 PM
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col cos1 - you cant tell the water level at a glance - bin that shiney rubbish! lol 
trust me id rather of spent Ł20 on a plastic 1 than Ł150 on that 1
09-02-2007, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PF NICK
The point I was trying to make was that without knowing the full spec of the engine, how can you possibly know what it is or isn't capable of?
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I dont see what the problem is really. Some people prefer to spend their money purely on performance and thrash the car around a track or whatever, and others choose to mildly tune the engine and spend their money on keeping the car mint and on shiny bits. Some however, throw loads of money at both. Fair play either way i say.
I agree though its funny where some get their power figures from though, especially some on ebay.
I agree though its funny where some get their power figures from though, especially some on ebay.
09-02-2007, 09:13 PM
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people arent necessarly lieing about power figs but i think alot of them guess.
People will think more of your car if it has more BHP but that the way of the world.
Like Rod has always said its all far to easy to build supposed 500 bhp engines and do 180 mph top speeds BUT actaully proving what you have got is totally different all together.
Way i see it that beacuse my car wasnt claiming 600bhp and runing a GT turbo it was an "also ran" at the daddy thash, no one was really interested when we first took it off the trailor and alot of people would have wondered why my car was there.
The top speed i ran proved my car and i still dont know what power it has but im not bothered as i built it for me not for other people.
Im just glad people like Dave and Nick were prepared to give us the chance with my car based on what we told them....
cheers boys
People will think more of your car if it has more BHP but that the way of the world.
Like Rod has always said its all far to easy to build supposed 500 bhp engines and do 180 mph top speeds BUT actaully proving what you have got is totally different all together.
Way i see it that beacuse my car wasnt claiming 600bhp and runing a GT turbo it was an "also ran" at the daddy thash, no one was really interested when we first took it off the trailor and alot of people would have wondered why my car was there.
The top speed i ran proved my car and i still dont know what power it has
but im not bothered as i built it for me not for other people.Im just glad people like Dave and Nick were prepared to give us the chance with my car based on what we told them....
cheers boys
10-02-2007, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PF NICK
Originally Posted by cossie4i
Originally Posted by bud-weis
just reading Pf mag,and there's a grey Fez RST,2.1 zetec with 365bhp@wheels.....on just 18psi boost,with a T34!!! surely this is wrong
Steve.
Why is it bullshit?
You don't know what spec the cylinder head is, you don't know the camshaft lift or duration, you don't know the compression ratio, nor do you know the exact spec of the turbo.
So without all of this information, how can you say that the printed figure is wrong or bullshit?
Do you believe this yourself....
where most engines are fully build with ported heads and a t34@32psi for 400bhp....thats allmost twice the boost...
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