morto

hello all has any one ever had a 64bit amd get that hot that when i tryed to get it off the cooler it had welded its self to it but they have 3 year warranty on them






as hard as i try it wnot come off

andy

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Its not welded.
This is physically impossible as you would need to get to 900+ deg C
to melt alumininium


The cpu is bonded to the heatsink to improve heat transfer.

On some chips the heatsink CANNOT be removed without destroying the
CPU chip so best make sure it has failed !

BigMouthBillyBass

if it wasnt fucked before it probably is now

morto

my mates got the same motherboard as me so i will put it in his, ive tryed changing everything else, ram, hard drive and vga, b4 taking the cpu out, if not it could be the motherboard, but i did smell burning

andy

BigMouthBillyBass

Whats it doing? does it boot up and then blue screen, or does it just beep when you turn it on??

89xr2

It's just the thermal compound sticking it on. Can be a right cunt to get off.

BigMouthBillyBass

look at the capacitors and see if any are leaking, or look like they are going to burst

in case you didnt know, they look like this

morto

it wont get to boot just black screen , so im fooked.. its ither mobo or cpu, ive checked everything else, its the burning smell that makes me think mobo, but fook nows

andy

BigMouthBillyBass

Does it POST?

Eagle

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to help .. its a bugger when they do tho .. easily replaced with a soldering iron..

morto

no doesent post

BigMouthBillyBass

any beeps from internal speaker?

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Check the PSU..... Have a sniff of it to see if thats burning.

Probally the cheapest/easiest part to replace

morto

no beeps,and the fan on the psu is runnig, and the fan on the cpu running

BigMouthBillyBass

If it's in a cheapo case it's very likely, as the PSU's you get in 20 quid ATX cases generally only last 6-12 months, especially out here we get loads of surges and power cuts and ive had two go. invested in a decent quality one and its been fine for 18 months

BigMouthBillyBass

Doesnt mean anything. the voltage lines that supply the fans might be OK. all the other lines could be fucked. or maybe just one or two, change the PSU and see

Eagle

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any chance of some pics of the mobo ????

morto

i can change the psu from my mates, but my problem is ..how do you get the cpu back on the board if you cant get it off the cooler? its a socket 939 64bit 3000

Redeye Jedi

Ive had a similar problem and mine turned out to be PSU failure! Id try plugging in another before butchering your CPU anymore!

Eagle

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if its that well secured to the heatsink... how did you remove it ??

morto

the pins on the cpu look ok, as i pulled the cooler off the cpu came with it, but as you now thers a lever you should pull first to get the cpu out, the lever was still inn the down position, surely the cpu shouldent be that secure to the cooler? if so its amd,s fault, ive had loads of cpu,s off and seen none like this ..

Jim Galbally

ive done that. it shouldnt damage the pins

st3v3

660.25 deg C is the melting point of Aluminium

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st3v3,

Thanks close enough

BM08

ive got the AMD 4200 X2, never had to take my heatsink/cooler off before though so im not sure.

Why did you take it off in the first place?

morto

to look at the top of the cpu to see if its been overheating, iv seen chips fail b4 and they look a differant colour as the heats got to much,

andy

BM08

it wouldnt be overheating unless 1. you overclocked it too much or did it wrong, or 2. if your case is cramped and has little airflow.

Why dont you use a programme to monitor the temps, i use Everest, its free and its pretty accurate

http://www.filehippo.com/download_everest_home/

JamesH

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Providing you don't solder a new one in the wrong way round

DanRSturbo

Righto, no POST beep's often results in CPU failure, possible motherboard, either way, don't put it on another motherboard unless your m8 is a real forgiving bloke and willing to sacrifice his system.

Burning smell could possibly be a PSU on it's way out, so I'd buy a 450 watt + true power psu. By all means buy a cheapo one, but dont complain if it doesn't do the job

Providing you bought the cpu from a good retailer, (unlike Eagle and his P4 saga from E-bay ) send it back and get a replacement, I would also buy a fan designed for a cpu of a higher spec

In the event of the replacement CPU not working, then it'll probably be new cpu + motherboard

Mark V8

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I replaced my AMD CPU and the motherboard before finding out that my PSU was no good, the fan worked as well

Mark

jammy86

Looks like someone has used Thermal Adhesive rather than Thermal Paste on that cpu. It probably wont come off. you could try some Arctic Cleaner, though i doubt it'll work.

JAmes.

saphycozzie-adz

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just slip a fine blade or scalple under the cpu and base of cooler. easy

Turbocabbie

pmsl you can blatantly see that has far to much heat sink paste on the processor just by looking at it.

I regularly over volt and overclock processors, I've done 100% overclocks in the past and have never ever had a processor die from over heating.

EMT64 Athlons have a maximum operating temperature of at least 65°C with most having maximum operating temperatures which exceed that.

I would bet mobo death as that heat sink is a OEM POS and as such I would expect came of a similar mobo

morto

your wrong mate, the new 64bit come with the right amount of paste all ready on from amd...

thanks
andy

morto

its off as you said, so now i can test the cpu

andy

BM08

Like i said above why not just check the temps with a programme, theres no need to take the cpu out just to decipher if its got too hot or not

Turbocabbie

Don't think so... not all the only processors that come with a thermal heat transfer heatsink pad from AMD are the retail processor in the box, the OEM processors and those shipped to developers and system builders do not.
The pictures in the appropriate AMD PDF document on this most certainly does not display heatsink transfer pad or paste leaking excessively out the side of the join... this indicates too much material being present unless of course AMD are also wrong.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/26951.pdf

morto

it is retail



as said thats the right amount of paste on as sent by amd

BM08

HELLO? can you see me , can you see what iam typing!!

Turbocabbie

Wow im surprised you recieved that much themal pad material on the sink from AMD never seen that amount before in a retail box, even now it looks excessive to me.

I would personally lap that sink to improve heat transfer and use artic silver for the paste.