Rod-Tarry

Stand corrected on that one Kev. was talking of your Escort.

Prepared my Cossie for its first run at totb in July 2002 & took the record in the November at 183.3 so thats 4months from first run out., only took that long cos we waited for a Daddy Thrash. & remember we only had 480bhp at that time not over 500. so perhaps your Horses had not been fed that day. .

Turbosystems

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nigh on 180mph was achieved by cosworth road cars in the late 80's rod on 4 grey injectors one could say it took you a long time to beat that, it wasn't because you were only a teenager at the time was it
Speed power and performance is about the size of ones wallet you clearly have a quest to have the fastest ford and are prepared to sink as much money as it takes to achieve that other cosworth owners don't have that quest.
A question to ask ones self is if another cosworth owner were to beat your speed by spending hugh amounts of money would you take up the challenge and spend more or retire.
Is it also fair to put Marks life at risk as the pilot, I for one don't want to see anyone hurt I'm sure you'll agree we don't want a Mark Hamster

Mike Rainbird

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Tony,
There is a HUGE difference between one seventy something and one eighty something. At that speed, it takes tens of extra bhp to go that 1-2mph faster . This is because aerodynamic drag increases exponentially . So when you double the speed, you QUADRUPLE the drag .

Porkie

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that was my 65 year old uncle driving the car not me and you KNOW what tyres Andy was on as well!!! Marcos RS2000 PISSED past me in the Skyline with those tyres on

But to be fair, I'm with Dingy. You are talking absolute CRAP Euan!

Just because your car is just a fast engine and nothing else does not mean you can't make a RWD Cossie into a real track weapon! You CAN!
Andys, Dingys and Bruces are all good examples.

Fagin

Andy & Porkie,
It's weird that you say that about a smaller turbo for track use, as the Type25 was so much faster with the larger turbo in Time Attack. But what was more amazing, is that it was only 600bhp.... compared to the others reaching 900bhp.

I hope my talent (lack of lol) is up to my new engine/turbo!

Rod,
Some would argue with your statement that the top speed element is the ultimate test for an engine. People that partake in Competition circuit work, would argue that having a class winning engine that lasts a season (without issues) and is powerful/quick is more of a challenge.

Dingy

Sorry porkies car - surely the age of the driver don't matter as andy is 70 LOL

Porkie

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hahaha Valid point!

Turbosystems

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and in jumps technical mike lol Don't you think I am fully aware of the factors
involved mike.
Took u long enough to beat the 178.9 and enough money too
A bench mark was set in the 80's with no special alterations to these cars for top speed. You and Rod decided to try and beat these speeds.Neither the owners of these cars or ourselves made any attempts to achieve any higher speeds than the cars achieved on that day.That is the point I am making.
Shall we discuss the weather conditions and charge air temps on the shonky old rs 500 cooler too ,doesn't rod have a shonky rs500 cooler
and as kev says top speed runs at brunters are boring the only real excitment is at the end when trying to make the bend lol as you and mark will know.
It took everyone else years to beat these speeds and many tried .
no t4 no 8 injectors no nos

Dingy

Tyres did help LOL

I had no grip at all so wasn't passing anyone LOL

Porkie

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The type 25 has a 6 speed box doesn't it??? much easier to keep the Turbo in the zone...

Its also a 2.5 isn't it??? again thats going to help it.

With a decent gearbox and if I could rev to 9k the GT35 would work well I think. Sadly right now... I have neither! so smaller turbo here I come! It WILL be a faster car around the track for sure.

Redkop

PMSL Dingy.... you'll be a dead man when Andy sees that

Turbosystems

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sounds like we need a type 25 to go with the turbo then porkie

Porkie

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Rod has on occasion been known to use NOS... last time I checked it was pretty cold stuff

Mike Rainbird

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Tony,
I turned up to my first top speed run, with no other preparation than turning up . Ahmed and Harvey checked the map and then left me to my own devices and we beat the times you quoted on our first run of the day from a standing start .

However, to crack 180 took an additional three runs on the day .

FYI this was into a sufficiently strong head wind, that an Escort RS Turbo that went back to Brunters with an additonal 25bhp @ wheels, only manged 0.2mph better due to the adverse conditions .

Due to the headwind and the ambient temps (it was February ), the charge temps didn't even hit the WI trigger point on that day .

I personally think that the RS500 intercooler is very good, but with 32psi on T4, it is on its very limit. Obviously running NOS helps with charge temps.

You also have to remember that I achieved 172mph with 4 x 803s in 1998 using only a T34 with a 0.48 a/r housing, so I know what's good and what isn't .

Dingy

Mike my rs500 intercooler from andy's 500 was the worse piece of shite known to man to cool inlet temps

Porkie

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I have enough Japcrap already thanks! in fact I have the King of Japcrap! Looook at me gooooo!



Not spending any more money on silly cars anyway! I am saving my pennies for a proper car!



and Yes Rod, I do know its no where near as fast as your saff!

Redkop

Surely it's down to who has the biggest balls as well

For instance with Rod's car.... Mark drives it faster than Rod and Rod drives it faster than his son

Franco

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Yeah but.......................

I'd let ya shag me!

CossieRich

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Porkie

How much does one of "them proper cars" cost Lee. Its a Porsche GT yes? Lovely

bud-weis

Tooo much!!


your obviously a big Porsche fan Lee? i'd be seriosuly tempted by a few other cars for the money,but i don't think that's a bad choice

LOVE IT!!!!

RichardPON

Bastard!

Kevin Sharp

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rod the horses had been fed it was the very early braking due to standard brakes that stopped it going any faster

in all honesty i dont know what power it was as it was never dyno,d..i just usually say around 500bhp

Fagin

Ahhh yes... sorry I forgot about the box and the fact that specific Cosworth spec Subaru engine delivers around 500ftlb (at some obsurely low rpm) even on a relatively small GT30 hyrbid. But some one else said to me, that if your not over 5k most of the time you aint driving hard enough.

rapidcossie

Porkie...

I didnt say you cant turn a Rwd cossie into a good track car, so im not talkng CRAP

RichPON....overall traction, grip and stabilty is where a escort beats any 2wd hands down and this alone is worth ALOT in a lap.

Martin-Hadland

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My car was on road legal slicks (in the rain) you muppet

RichardPON

What's "overall traction" mean?

Grip? Really? 4x4 has more grip?

Stability I'll grant you though.....

Dingy

Well that show's andy was more prepared than you don't it

Martin-Hadland

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Not at all Marco was on the case for tyres but his man let him down

This will never happen again as I now have three sets of wheels for the car

rapidcossie

By overall traction i mean the abilty to transfer all its power to the track in any given situation, against a 2wd where the more and more power you have the less and less chance you have of transfering your power to the track for less of the time.

you think a 2wd saf can pull as much lateral G in a turn a escort?

would be very suprised if it could?

Rod-Tarry

Well I discussed it with Mark in December 2004 after Bruce had beaten my rwd record. The Spec was to beat Bruces time. In the Febuary Mark suggested we might try for your record the first time I had considered such a venture. Then after buying lots of bits Mark suggested we make an attempt at what seemed a wild dream 200mph. The bits not required were sold & about March 2005 we started to build the car. The 200 was breached in the September so I guess your record took around 7 months.
Remember you were considered invincible buddy but it was cracked first run , blimey even I beat it that day.
Rod

rapidcossie

i did 177 on my first "sighting" run...was like a sunday drive.

the effort needed to go just under 8 mph quicker was unbelieveable

Martin-Hadland

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Well I recorded 187.7 in 1997 so I make that a little longer than 7 months! And you hadn't tried to beat it during all those years? ... Give me a break old chap!

radiant red

sorry to butt in but was that record in your mondeo?i remember the feature,loved the car

Martin-Hadland

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No it was in my Escort the Mondeo made 182mph with 419hp

radiant red

ah silly me

man youve had/built some of the finest fords in the country,well done

bud-weis

Stronger horses you see

NEIL A

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bud-weis
You thinking about havin a go at Daves T38 record would be good to see what your car will do on a t38 if you get it up to the power you are hoping for.

bud-weis

well tbh.....i'll be hugely disappointed if it doesn't feel a lot quicker with the changes (well not loads quicker,but noticeable) it should push well over 450bhp in theory too......obviously i'm only 2wd aswell so i have less losses;

so i'd probably be putting more power to the ground once rolling

i'd love a go,but i have no timing gear

NEIL A

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Im sure if you look to be close to the top speed for a t38 you or karl would manage to sort an invite to one of the mag timing days.

bud-weis

yeah i guess......i don't suppose it's that big in the grand scheme of things though

i can be pretty brutal with the car when needed though,so i'd give it a good shot