NUTS RuS

iTrader: (35)

Well in excess of 3500 stickers have been cut since Pf started.

Average 2 per car, 2/3rds posted out and 1/3rd given out at meets etc.

Work out how much I have personally spent on postage from that lot

Sent around 50 to Australia and 26 into Europe alone last week

And now you want a bloody sponge

bigal1978

how come you dont have a page where all the stuff in your sig is listed ?

trevCOSS

iTrader: (6)

Its fine by me

antony215

£20 is nothing considering you make that back if you sell a few bit's and plus you get access to the mens room and alot of them porn sites charge more than £20 join

BM08

Im not saying its expensive, as said 20 isnt alot of money "but" i think for what you get its alot, as a few others have said.

Id also join if it was 10

Mr S1

iTrader: (2)

It's £20 a year - hardly going to break the bank and some of the stuff in the Mens Room is 'interesting' I'll renew when it's due.

NUTS RuS

iTrader: (35)

Pf is simply a forum its not a shop or a members club etc.

Several people requested t shirts etc so if you click the link it actually takes you to a page where those are listed. That costs me £40 every six months to have it set up without annoying adverts all over the place.

PAUL V

Yes but you join a club with that you get discount of suppliers and also get a Magazine 4 time a year, a calender, and EVO Track days

I am a member of Club Scuderia ( A Ferrari Forum) and that is only £10.00 year. I think for £20.00 to be a gold member is to much for what you get. Now turn it in to a club and like the MLR or the RSOC then yes i would pay £50.00 for it.

SS1

iTrader: (3)

Big G

How the hell can i send Nurofen through paypal

Dannn

No way does it make a loss. £20 a pop from its members, its run by pet who runs an ISP and I am sure Motorsports Developments has done very well out of publicity and extra custom. £20 is cheap if your selling parts, too expensive if your not! I like to read pf but there are very few interesting car threads to read to be honest, lots of pony threads about nothing. Still makes me laugh that I am expected to pay £20 in order to place a thread in the forum to discuss how much my car is worth inn order to help me decide what the fook to do with it, not an advert of any kind plus i think it would have been a semi interesting thread. Mind you the mods get a hard job when you get pathectic peeps complaining, sad twats!!

Greg Shepherd

nice to see some one get there facts right before they type just cos pet owns the isp compnany it still cost to run it and the gold membership does not cover the full running costs pett covers some of it through his company

and why you say stu made out of it he a trader like all the other traders on here his banner has as much time displayed as all the others who pay for a trade banner. and this is a forum so you will have a range of as you say poxy threads also i.m glad people pm mods informing us of people breaking the rules they agread to follow when they signed up to the site so would say calling fellow members sad twats is abit low


and £20 a year (5p a day)is fuck all and there are plenty of benifits if you sell one car i think im right in saying it cheaper tthan a add in autotrader plus as a normal member you get discount at greenlight insurance and a goldmember you get a even bigger discount

xr2.0zetecturbo.

mlr give evo track days free now with membership and how would you define the difference between club/msg forum thingy? must be 35 on mlr to help pay to feed all there excessive ego's

Dannn

IMO there is no way PF makes a loss. Not going to agrue that with anyone.

People who complain to mods over some stuff are sads twats. I wonder if they go crying to their mummy first!!LOL Mummy, daddy someone has put a post of PF asking how much a car is worth!!LOL Even my 12 year step son is not that fooking sad!!LOL

And finally you did not read my post regarding the charges. £20 is cheap if you got stuff to sell, expensive if you don't - learn to read! Now go and give your mum a cuddle and relax!!LOL Tell you what I can send you my 3.5 month old daughters dummy if you like ?

Greg Shepherd

M8 if you wana beleive pf makes many then go ahead

and as for the rest of what you just posted i.m not even gona bother waisting my time replying as it obvious you have broke the rules and been pulled up and dont like it

xr2.0zetecturbo.

how much would it cost to advertise say 3 cars then in autotrader for the year and then weigh up the benifits of 20 quid

xr2.0zetecturbo.

20 a pop from a small percentage of its members had it been all then i imagine membership would be about a quid, although until this happens then 20 imo is fine

richm

pmsl @ some of the excuses... plenty of people saying £20 is too expensive will go and piss twice that up the wall in one night for fook all return
hmmm.. that would make an interesting conversation with Pet i bet

SS1

iTrader: (3)

richm

or three blows of yayo up there nose



ive paid since ive been on the site..each to there own decision..

its your own choice

NUTS RuS

iTrader: (35)

Silver logo for a tenner ?

phill2400

Worth every penny

Benni

How come it costs so much to run?

Cheers, Benni.

Speedy Gonzalez

i think £20 is well worth it

i've sold my van and shit loads of parts thru this site

david

£20 is fuck all , ive sold a few parts on here that more than covered it. More importantly ive made plenty of new friends and met loads of good folk off of here, if it wasnt for the gold membership the site may not exist and these things wouldnt have happened so well worth the money

PAUL V

Ego,s where you get that from define a club ! Ok local meets aranged by appointed organizers, a monthly / 1/4 magazine with input by members, club merchandise, group buys organised buy the club, club national day, ETC

Message board > can of worms there really but rember this is the internet and it is not the real world, that exists when you step out side your front door.

My point is i have no car to sell and don't use message boards to sell stuff !, I use Ebay.

Tell me what (other that to option to sell a car) i get for my £20.00 ?

And as for passion ford not paying for its self sorry don't buy that at all

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

I will 2nd that

Steve.

foreigneRS

i will also not pay whatever the cost, but use the site regularly. makes me a fucking idiot does it?

i use the site (the parts of it that i can access) because i can. i found that the parts that i previously paid to use are not worth paying for.

i felt that i contributed some useful information to the 'technical essays archive', but now don't need to get anything from there so no longer feel the need to contribute to it.

reason i will not pay anymore but did last year? don't have any parts to sell anymore - although when i did last year very few of them actually sold via the adverts on this site but quickly sold on ebay. that's maybe because ebay has the auction facility so parts can go for less than what you wanted whereas you have to fix a price on here and if people think it's too high they won't bother. possible also comes down to trust and buyer protection?

imo, a website like this should be free to use when it has advertisements in place. fair enough, it has to make enough money to cover costs somehow, and imo those ads should be doing that with the supposed amount of traffic that this forum generates.

at the end of the day, although i use it a lot and have made some friends off here, if it didn't exist anymore it wouldn't be the end of the world for me. it's just entertainment, and there's plenty of other sources of that (i could play pocket billiards more often )

foreigneRS

wanky double post

Petrucci

How stupid is this ? So, hosting is cheap, a quad Xeon is cheap too, a dedicated TDSL line is too, and my knowledge and work time at days and nights on this site is also cheap, and even free? i should pay out of my own pocket, that's it, i imagine, and work for free, just for the glory of having some members moan when it's offline for 5 or 10 minutes a day ?
I imagine YOU are working for free and paying out of your pocket for all the stuff you need to work, aren't you ?


Also, the £20 price has been DISCUSSED with the members when the site was due to close since i was paying EVERYTHING out of my pocket at first, not speaking about my labour time for free. There had been a discussion, then a poll, and £20 was the final agreement with everyone. It's hardly very expensive, is it ? How much do you pay for your cigarettes, or for your beers, or for your 100 miles trip in your Cossie when you get it out of the garage ?

I'm starting to be really fed up about this kind of statement, and i think this should come to an end one way or the other. If not, all the peeps that think it's easy, free or even cheap, please do the same, create such a big site, try to learn how to maintain it first, spend as much time and effort as me every day to sort evey glitch that can occur when 800+ members are clicking everywhere, not speaking about the 80 or 100 emails and PMs i receive every DAY asking for a name change, a new password or a "i've lost my details can you help" (same goes for mods or Stu, who even gets phone calls at his office for fucking sake ), that are processed within 2 hours maximum with a solution ALWAYS given (and usually sorted within 10 minutes after i received the message if i'm not in bed), and i'll see how long you'll keep this way without calling it a day. Please respect our fucking time and work !

And btw, thanks to all the members that know what they are talking about and that are supporting us since so long, it's thanks to you that we are continuing with PF. If it was not for your kind words when others slate us, we would have stopped a long time ago.

carlo

iTrader: (4)

I cant beleive ppl are grudging £20 a year 5p a day this day in age

Dirty Harry

iTrader: (12)

Pet
close it down for a few weeks then we will see how many moan

Dirty Harry

iTrader: (12)

6513 posts and you say its not worth £20,then why are you uisng the site then ???
theres always one

richm

we won't know Pete, we won't be able to hear them

Paddy

He did pay it before, when he wanted the benefits of it but now he doesn't need to which I personally think is fair enough.

We all have the freedom to contribute how we see fit, be it with money, advice [of which Nick has given plenty in the past! - some of it even useful ], sorting peoples siggys, moderating time etc etc...

It's great that we have the freedom to help out how we want as it's not a club, it's a community

*EDITED TO ADD* I think if people feel they want to contribute financially to get some benefits of being able to sell stuff or just to say thank you to all the hard work, time and money Petrucci and Stu have put in to the site £20 is really fuck all!

As said above, it equates to about 40 miles worth of petrol in a cossie

Lou Lou.

£20 is a fair price i would never begrudge paying for it

RichardPON

I love the fact that people will happily pay £10 a year, but think £20 is too expensive!

"No, 5p per day is far too much, but 2.5p per day is much more acceptable!"

Goons.

Anonymous

What a retarded question "is it worth 20 quid"...of course it is,being able to sell on here is worth far more than that alone....and remember without us donators this place wouldnt be here now..think about that!

This topic should have read "I am a sponger and 20 quid is too much infact 10p is too much cause i want everything for free"

AndyBrew

can't be arsed to read through this lot, but I can't see the problem here you can still use the site for free anyhow, just have limited features

and in Pets defence to keep a site such as this going must be a labour of love in my opinion, especially when you get moaning posts like this

on the mlr your only allowed 20 posts a day I think it is, if your not a member thats obviously the real reason I got rid of the Evo and got another cossie

i have been thinking about becoming a gold member myself recently not because I want the extra features but mind you it is frustrating at times when there's a link to the mens room but because I feel a contribution is worthwhile to ensure the site keeps going, and ffs £20

in fact bollocks I will join right now

Doh

I voted not to pay at all

my take is if i had to pay £10/20 on every BB i visited i'd be paying like £500 a year!

i do appriecate a site like this costs thousands to run (i know this first hand) but i personally think traders advertisements should cover the costs and not the general membership.
Or if the membership does pay there should be no advertisements, oh and if i was paying i'd like to see a paid for BB and not a freebie and some image hosting!

i noticed someone said PF makes a loss.... i seriously doubt it

i'm fully in belief the internet should be a free resource for all

antony215

Who really gives a fuck if pet/stu make a few quid out of the site like pet said he puts alot of time and effort into the running of the site (some of which is behind the sceans stuff we dont see) and IF he makes a few quid out of it fair play to him as im fucked if i would sit on here for hours at a time sorting the problems with the site like what pet does for fuck all. It's like going to work ALLDAY then going to a second job after that and being paid fuck all for the second job im pretty sure that second job wouldn't last to long