about cosworth ex manifold ...from other topic
23-12-2006, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
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Nice set up there martin 
Oooopsss didnt mean to do that
We got a laptop each, but RichPON may have something to say about it, he did before
23-12-2006, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Nice set up there martin
Oooopsss didnt mean to do that
We got a laptop each, but RichPON may have something to say about it, he did before
23-12-2006, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Cossie Helen
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
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Nice set up there martin
Oooopsss didnt mean to do that
We got a laptop each, but RichPON may have something to say about it, he did before
Few too many arguments
23-12-2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
getting personal now but.... are you in the same room?
Yeah lol
But i use MSN a lot to keep in touch with my mates etc from up North, hence why i spend a lot of time on here, cheaper than phone calls to them all !
23-12-2006, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cossie Helen
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
getting personal now but.... are you in the same room?
Yeah lol
But i use MSN a lot to keep in touch with my mates etc from up North, hence why i spend a lot of time on here, cheaper than phone calls to them all !
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23-12-2006, 11:42 PM
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Martin the 044 supplies minimum 200lt/hr at 5bar its a pump good for 700bhp from my data and thats not me personally but the testers who have the proper set up and know how to flow test (no dig at you )
24-12-2006, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Martin the 044 supplies minimum 200lt/hr at 5bar its a pump good for 700bhp from my data and thats not me personally but the testers who have the proper set up and know how to flow test (no dig at you )
24-12-2006, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Martin the 044 supplies minimum 200lt/hr at 5bar its a pump good for 700bhp from my data and thats not me personally but the testers who have the proper set up and know how to flow test (no dig at you )
based on 5mpg at 200mph you would need 181 litres per hour BUT if its 3mpg then 302 litres would be needed!! So one 044 pump may not be such a good idea!!
24-12-2006, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Martin the 044 supplies minimum 200lt/hr at 5bar its a pump good for 700bhp from my data and thats not me personally but the testers who have the proper set up and know how to flow test (no dig at you )
based on 5mpg at 200mph you would need 181 litres per hour BUT if its 3mpg then 302 litres would be needed!! So one 044 pump may not be such a good idea!!
24-12-2006, 01:09 PM
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...at 4 mpg youd still be ok so for 200mph lets say that...and we know to do 200mph you are looking at 680-700bhp
BUT you are sailing close to the wind and i would only recommend 600bhp max...so ideal for my max on a 2wd manifold of 550bhp
BUT you are sailing close to the wind and i would only recommend 600bhp max...so ideal for my max on a 2wd manifold of 550bhp
24-12-2006, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
...at 4 mpg youd still be ok so for 200mph lets say that...and we know to do 200mph you are looking at 680-700bhp
BUT you are sailing close to the wind and i would only recommend 600bhp max...so ideal for my max on a 2wd manifold of 550bhp
BUT you are sailing close to the wind and i would only recommend 600bhp max...so ideal for my max on a 2wd manifold of 550bhp
24-12-2006, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Martin the 044 supplies minimum 200lt/hr at 5bar its a pump good for 700bhp from my data and thats not me personally but the testers who have the proper set up and know how to flow test (no dig at you )
first the pump's good for 700hp then when doubt is cast you then suggest 600hp to be safe!
I could go on...BUT I'm not interested in replying to any more of your rubbish,
Merry Christmas Doctor bullshit
24-12-2006, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Martin the 044 supplies minimum 200lt/hr at 5bar its a pump good for 700bhp from my data and thats not me personally but the testers who have the proper set up and know how to flow test (no dig at you )
first the pump's good for 700hp then when doubt is cast you then suggest 600hp to be safe!
I could go on...BUT I'm not interested in replying to any more of your rubbish,
Mr Christmas Doctor bullshit
....But youd have to be an idiot to run it flat out on a very expensive engine..so TBH i dont get your point except trying to dig...next your be bringing up the 30 quid again
24-12-2006, 09:14 PM
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Oh well, the plus side is with the tubular manifold and external waste gate we could possibly see another 20 - 30 brake Should be getting on for 670 bhp on race fuel, getting close to the magic 200MPH!!!!!
Should be getting on for 670 bhp on race fuel, getting close to the magic 200MPH!!!!!
25-12-2006, 10:11 AM
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im still concerned over the capabilities of 2wd manifold as dont forget i have blown up 2 engines as well as mad ade. 1st had 542bhp, 2nd had 600bhp again serious heat soak in no 3 piston
26-12-2006, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kaliber cossie
im still concerned over the capabilities of 2wd manifold as dont forget i have blown up 2 engines as well as mad ade. 1st had 542bhp, 2nd had 600bhp again serious heat soak in no 3 piston
26-12-2006, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
As far as i can see it's only yourself and Ade that have suffered this kind of failure ... other than the exhaust manifold do your engine share any new (not tried and previously tested) components?
not that i know 2 exhaust link pipe i use pj motorsport one and also use a turbonectics remote wastegate same that carwise uk use, did run rs500 plenum with 1000cc injectors now changing to a r & b swedish plenum,
26-12-2006, 12:09 PM
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Martin with all due respect there aint alot of cars who run 600+ on a stock exhaust manifold...the ones that do,how many drive in anger and do constant top speed runs?
...everything has a limit bit like people
...everything has a limit bit like people
26-12-2006, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Martin with all due respect there aint alot of cars who run 600+ on a stock exhaust manifold...the ones that do,how many drive in anger and do constant top speed runs?
...everything has a limit bit like people
...everything has a limit bit like people
not intersted.
26-12-2006, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Martin with all due respect there aint alot of cars who run 600+ on a stock exhaust manifold...the ones that do,how many drive in anger and do constant top speed runs?
...everything has a limit bit like people
...everything has a limit bit like people
not intersted.
26-12-2006, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Martin with all due respect there aint alot of cars who run 600+ on a stock exhaust manifold...the ones that do,how many drive in anger and do constant top speed runs?
...everything has a limit bit like people
...everything has a limit bit like people
not intersted.
26-12-2006, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MAD Ade
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Originally Posted by madevelopments
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
are all these people who are saying" they think" etc etc actually testing their theorys?
Mark
Oh, we can all have 3 grand inlet manifolds etc., so the car looks like it could go out and win Pikes Peak, but it's having the balls to have a go at proving and not being affraid to fail, unlike some.
Nobody calls me a gobshite and gets away it without retaliation Anything I said earlier on this post was purely offering contructive criticism as part of a collective opinion from this board and no offence intended. If you can't take that, you shouldn't be in this game.
PS If I want to spend Ł3248.18p on an inlet manifold then fit it to my car and go shopping with it then I fucking will.
26-12-2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian@Racetek
Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by MAD Ade
Originally Posted by madevelopments
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
are all these people who are saying" they think" etc etc actually testing their theorys?
Mark
Oh, we can all have 3 grand inlet manifolds etc., so the car looks like it could go out and win Pikes Peak, but it's having the balls to have a go at proving and not being affraid to fail, unlike some.
Nobody calls me a gobshite and gets away it without retaliation Anything I said earlier on this post was purely offering contructive criticism as part of a collective opinion from this board and no offence intended. If you can't take that, you shouldn't be in this game.
PS If I want to spend Ł3248.18p on an inlet manifold then fit it to my car and go shopping with it then I fucking will.
26-12-2006, 10:02 PM
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Didn't have you down as the touchy type Ade. I very rarely come on this forum. This shows why.
Was only merely offering my thoughts and advice. I will keep it to myself in future. Good luck with the diagnosis!
Was only merely offering my thoughts and advice. I will keep it to myself in future. Good luck with the diagnosis!
26-12-2006, 10:39 PM
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merry xmas Ian, see you for a coffee sometime
Is a shame this thread has disentigrated into argument, it's a very very interesting read and has helped me re-think some of my future plans
There are a lot of very knowlegeable people here, shame they can't work together........
and it seems phil was right about the manifold all along (dives for cover) ... but in all seriousness, from what I can see people have been jumped on for offering genuinely honest advice 
A point to note about the fuel pump flow figures, even aircraft fuel pumps have huge tolerences, ( I do a lot of work on aircraft fuel systems ) combine that with tolerences in fuel filters, joints in pipes, voltage reaching the pump, age of the pump etc, the difference can be HUGE in the pumps output.
Just imagine if you have a very well built pump that flows at the top of its build tolerence with a wide tolerence fuel filter thats getting optimum voltage off a new loom on new pipes, compared to a poorly built in the first place at the bottom end of tolerence for quality control, thats seen a bit of use to boot, on an old loom, not getting quite the voltage it normally does through a slightly tight fuel filter, the differences will be huge- could be a major factor in some cases
Is a shame this thread has disentigrated into argument, it's a very very interesting read and has helped me re-think some of my future plans
There are a lot of very knowlegeable people here, shame they can't work together........
and it seems phil was right about the manifold all along
(dives for cover) ... but in all seriousness, from what I can see people have been jumped on for offering genuinely honest advice A point to note about the fuel pump flow figures, even aircraft fuel pumps have huge tolerences, ( I do a lot of work on aircraft fuel systems
) combine that with tolerences in fuel filters, joints in pipes, voltage reaching the pump, age of the pump etc, the difference can be HUGE in the pumps output. Just imagine if you have a very well built pump that flows at the top of its build tolerence with a wide tolerence fuel filter thats getting optimum voltage off a new loom on new pipes, compared to a poorly built in the first place at the bottom end of tolerence for quality control, thats seen a bit of use to boot, on an old loom, not getting quite the voltage it normally does through a slightly tight fuel filter, the differences will be huge- could be a major factor in some cases
26-12-2006, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian@Racetek
Didn't have you down as the touchy type Ade. I very rarely come on this forum. This shows why.
Was only merely offering my thoughts and advice. I will keep it to myself in future. Good luck with the diagnosis!
Was only merely offering my thoughts and advice. I will keep it to myself in future. Good luck with the diagnosis!
A lot of people have shown genuine interest in our efforts, but it has built up recently to the point where I have had enough.
We are going to make one last effort to get it right, and this time it will be right.
Apologies.