anybody else stressed out with fords!!!!!!!
25-10-2006, 06:26 PM
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anybody else stressed out with fords!!!!!!!
please tel me it just not me.i could put a match to the s1 and buy something reliable 
im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted 
had to get that off my chest 
im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest
25-10-2006, 06:30 PM
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Dont worry, its not just you.
I've been at Northampton Motorsport all day today having my Anglia mapped and it made 178bhp with 148lb/ft of torque..
Now thats quite impressive.....
BUT I so wanted 180bhp... so I asked them to fit some verniers.. and after a load of fookin about and power run after power run she made no more power.
Basically the penis who built the engine put hydraulic lifters in a black top Zetec which should solid lifters with shims.... AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh so the cams have got to come out and have solid lifters fitted and then hopefully it will crack 180bhp..
But I drove home feeling gutted... even the 10 doughnuts I did in their car park didnt keep me smiling for long
Fooking Fords.... and cocks who build Zetecs when they dont know what they are doing
I've been at Northampton Motorsport all day today having my Anglia mapped and it made 178bhp with 148lb/ft of torque..
Now thats quite impressive.....
BUT I so wanted 180bhp... so I asked them to fit some verniers.. and after a load of fookin about and power run after power run she made no more power.
Basically the penis who built the engine put hydraulic lifters in a black top Zetec which should solid lifters with shims.... AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh so the cams have got to come out and have solid lifters fitted and then hopefully it will crack 180bhp..
But I drove home feeling gutted... even the 10 doughnuts I did in their car park didnt keep me smiling for long
Fooking Fords.... and cocks who build Zetecs when they dont know what they are doing
25-10-2006, 06:32 PM
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Yeah everyone gets pissed of with them from time to time man,
I know there is loads better out there but i just like the fuckaboutability (spl ) of the RS scene i mean you can thrash the fuck out of a series 2 blow the engine up on friday but be running again on sat afternoon after an engine swap
same with cossies really but always cost me twice as much
Martin
I know there is loads better out there but i just like the fuckaboutability (spl
) of the RS scene i mean you can thrash the fuck out of a series 2 blow the engine up on friday but be running again on sat afternoon after an engine swap same with cossies really but always cost me twice as much
Martin
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25-10-2006, 06:48 PM
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We'vw all been there When there running smoothly there great, when they go wrong there a mare I havent had a ford now for 5 months and really miss them...........Jap or any other manufactor doesnt do it for me 
RS all the way 
Stick with it.....looks like you have a beaut, but see what you mean when your spending more on a 22 yr old car compared to a Escos, that maybe i would change 
When there running smoothly there great, when they go wrong there a mare I havent had a ford now for 5 months and really miss them...........Jap or any other manufactor doesnt do it for me RS all the way Stick with it.....looks like you have a beaut, but see what you mean when your spending more on a 22 yr old car compared to a Escos, that maybe i would change
25-10-2006, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by stuart collins
go with wat i said today and u will be happy 
and add the other bits next year if u need them
and add the other bits next year if u need them
cheers again mate
25-10-2006, 07:06 PM
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Your not on ya own with buying and everything that i've done to the car my saff owes me 26k, it developed a miss-fire end of august 05 and i just threw it in the garage and left it for a bit, this year i got it out mid-july drove it to ford fair and up and down to the workshop as it still had the miss-fire, then it decided to melt the loom under the steering wheel housing for a second time, i was cursing the car and saying i'm gonna get rid but got it back last wednesday all sorted and took an emergency day of work just so i could drive the car all day and have a bit of a rip, fell back in love with it straight away lol
It can be frustrating but bare in mind these cars are getting old now and age means cars are prone to getting problems, keeping em up and running, sourcing the spares and diagnosing faults etc is the challenge, my car is no exception to faults, its chewed its way through two brand new mt75's from ford, damn i need a quaife
everyone has told me if i part with the car i'll end up going out and getting another one, so i'll pass on the same advice here, keep the car
Charlie
with buying and everything that i've done to the car my saff owes me 26k, it developed a miss-fire end of august 05 and i just threw it in the garage and left it for a bit, this year i got it out mid-july drove it to ford fair and up and down to the workshop as it still had the miss-fire, then it decided to melt the loom under the steering wheel housing for a second time, i was cursing the car and saying i'm gonna get rid but got it back last wednesday all sorted and took an emergency day of work just so i could drive the car all day and have a bit of a rip, fell back in love with it straight away lol It can be frustrating but bare in mind these cars are getting old now and age means cars are prone to getting problems, keeping em up and running, sourcing the spares and diagnosing faults etc is the challenge, my car is no exception to faults, its chewed its way through two brand new mt75's from ford, damn i need a quaife
everyone has told me if i part with the car i'll end up going out and getting another one, so i'll pass on the same advice here, keep the car
Charlie
25-10-2006, 07:13 PM
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i know how ya feel steven. i had a nice enough rs turbo but decided to reshell it last december. fair enought, a couple months work. then i decided to go efi cos m-ment route an then it spiraled from there. ended up havin no smart car to do the shows this yr and its still not completed now. the money i spent, i could have bought a bloody nice saph cos. and it does my head in that i have it sittin in the garage doin nothing, yet im still skint etc tryin to buy bits every month for it 
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25-10-2006, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EssexMikeSi
i know how ya feel steven. i had a nice enough rs turbo but decided to reshell it last december. fair enought, a couple months work. then i decided to go efi cos m-ment route an then it spiraled from there. ended up havin no smart car to do the shows this yr and its still not completed now. the money i spent, i could have bought a bloody nice saph cos. and it does my head in that i have it sittin in the garage doin nothing, yet im still skint etc tryin to buy bits every month for it !!!
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25-10-2006, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by EssexMikeSi
i know how ya feel steven. i had a nice enough rs turbo but decided to reshell it last december. fair enought, a couple months work. then i decided to go efi cos m-ment route an then it spiraled from there. ended up havin no smart car to do the shows this yr and its still not completed now. the money i spent, i could have bought a bloody nice saph cos. and it does my head in that i have it sittin in the garage doin nothing, yet im still skint etc tryin to buy bits every month for it !!!
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25-10-2006, 07:43 PM
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mate i remember the ford worries
BUT recently i was given this picture and all of a sudden i feel happy again
lets see if it helps you mate
the future bright,,,,,, ok its not orange but its also not a 20 year old car chasing rust
join the rest of the members mate,,,,,, understand why the 3 series bmw is sold more than the mondeo this year
understand why ford are loosing 1 million quid a month
then realise that for 1500 quid you get a car that does 140mph....... for over 30 mins,,,,,,,,, then you slow down for the 40mph zone and not to make a call at the orange box on the hard shoulder
not to mention its quiet inside,,,, no more bad backs when you get out the car and the MOST important thing,,,,,,, AIR CONDITIONING !!!!
good luck mate
BUT recently i was given this picture and all of a sudden i feel happy again
lets see if it helps you mate
the future bright,,,,,, ok its not orange but its also not a 20 year old car chasing rust
join the rest of the members mate,,,,,, understand why the 3 series bmw is sold more than the mondeo this year
understand why ford are loosing 1 million quid a month
then realise that for 1500 quid you get a car that does 140mph....... for over 30 mins,,,,,,,,, then you slow down for the 40mph zone and not to make a call at the orange box on the hard shoulder
not to mention its quiet inside,,,, no more bad backs when you get out the car and the MOST important thing,,,,,,, AIR CONDITIONING !!!!
good luck mate
25-10-2006, 07:47 PM
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Re: anybody else stressed out with fords!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by stevenebm
please tel me it just not me.i could put a match to the s1 and buy something reliable im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest
im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest Nah I love it that on edge feeling, just wondering whats going to brake next, also it gives me a warm feeling inside everytime I give it death and it doesnt brake because I fully expect it to.
25-10-2006, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenebm
it just pisses me off that my mates have escort cossies and focus rs and ive got a 22 year old car thats cost me the same
Put it this way...
STICK AT IT OR ELSE!
Hang in there mate, good things come to those who wait
25-10-2006, 07:53 PM
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Re: anybody else stressed out with fords!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by trevCOSS
Originally Posted by stevenebm
please tel me it just not me.i could put a match to the s1 and buy something reliable im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest
im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest Nah I love it that on edge feeling, just wondering whats going to brake next, also it gives me a warm feeling inside everytime I give it death and it doesnt brake because I fully expect it to.
ahhhhh there was the days,,,,,, sitting on the hard shoulder in the middle of no where in the rain with lorrys flying past spitting stones all over the drivers side of the car,,,,,, for the aa to turn up, tow me to the junction and see the problem is terminal and then tow me home, get home from a show at 1am to go work and call up for the price of second had fucked parts being more than a weeks wage,,,,, for it to be in worse condition than the part i killed
ahhhhhh the warm feeling owning a cossie feels
i ocasionally pull over at services and just give the tyres a kick,,,,,,, nothing wrong with em buit gives me the same warm feeling,,,,,, then i get my coffee and fuck off back up the motorway at 120ish,,,,,, knowing ill be home intime for corrie when my mates are somewhere on the M1,,,,, or the planet still WISHING they had that coffee i drunk half of then left IN MY BMW CUP HOLDER !!!!! to go cold
ahhhhh happy days
25-10-2006, 08:00 PM
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Re: anybody else stressed out with fords!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Ginge !
Originally Posted by trevCOSS
Originally Posted by stevenebm
please tel me it just not me.i could put a match to the s1 and buy something reliable im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest
im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest Nah I love it that on edge feeling, just wondering whats going to brake next, also it gives me a warm feeling inside everytime I give it death and it doesnt brake because I fully expect it to.
ahhhhh there was the days,,,,,, sitting on the hard shoulder in the middle of no where in the rain with lorrys flying past spitting stones all over the drivers side of the car,,,,,, for the aa to turn up, tow me to the junction and see the problem is terminal and then tow me home, get home from a show at 1am to go work and call up for the price of second had fucked parts being more than a weeks wage,,,,, for it to be in worse condition than the part i killed
ahhhhhh the warm feeling owning a cossie feels
i ocasionally pull over at services and just give the tyres a kick,,,,,,, nothing wrong with em buit gives me the same warm feeling,,,,,, then i get my coffee and fuck off back up the motorway at 120ish,,,,,, knowing ill be home intime for corrie when my mates are somewhere on the M1,,,,, or the planet still WISHING they had that coffee i drunk half of then left IN MY BMW CUP HOLDER !!!!! to go cold
ahhhhh happy days
but I get all you just said out of my Ł250 vectra and still have the cossie for when I fancy meeting a nice AA man
25-10-2006, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan
Originally Posted by stevenebm
it just pisses me off that my mates have escort cossies and focus rs and ive got a 22 year old car thats cost me the same
Put it this way...
STICK AT IT OR ELSE!
Hang in there mate, good things come to those who wait
25-10-2006, 08:05 PM
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Re: anybody else stressed out with fords!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by trevCOSS
Originally Posted by Ginge !
Originally Posted by trevCOSS
Originally Posted by stevenebm
please tel me it just not me.i could put a match to the s1 and buy something reliable im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest
im on the edge of giving up and going away from the rs badge.so much time and money has been wasted had to get that off my chest Nah I love it that on edge feeling, just wondering whats going to brake next, also it gives me a warm feeling inside everytime I give it death and it doesnt brake because I fully expect it to.
ahhhhh there was the days,,,,,, sitting on the hard shoulder in the middle of no where in the rain with lorrys flying past spitting stones all over the drivers side of the car,,,,,, for the aa to turn up, tow me to the junction and see the problem is terminal and then tow me home, get home from a show at 1am to go work and call up for the price of second had fucked parts being more than a weeks wage,,,,, for it to be in worse condition than the part i killed
ahhhhhh the warm feeling owning a cossie feels
i ocasionally pull over at services and just give the tyres a kick,,,,,,, nothing wrong with em buit gives me the same warm feeling,,,,,, then i get my coffee and fuck off back up the motorway at 120ish,,,,,, knowing ill be home intime for corrie when my mates are somewhere on the M1,,,,, or the planet still WISHING they had that coffee i drunk half of then left IN MY BMW CUP HOLDER !!!!! to go cold
ahhhhh happy days
but I get all you just said out of my Ł250 vectra and still have the cossie for when I fancy meeting a nice AA man
25-10-2006, 08:06 PM
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thats the BEST thing about german mate,,,,,, no need for a second car to tax and insure,,,,,, as its also a reliable runabout you can park anywhere and now worry about it
25-10-2006, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
mate i remember the ford worries
BUT recently i was given this picture and all of a sudden i feel happy again
lets see if it helps you mate
the future bright,,,,,, ok its not orange but its also not a 20 year old car chasing rust
join the rest of the members mate,,,,,, understand why the 3 series bmw is sold more than the mondeo this year
understand why ford are loosing 1 million quid a month
then realise that for 1500 quid you get a car that does 140mph....... for over 30 mins,,,,,,,,, then you slow down for the 40mph zone and not to make a call at the orange box on the hard shoulder
not to mention its quiet inside,,,, no more bad backs when you get out the car and the MOST important thing,,,,,,, AIR CONDITIONING !!!!
good luck mate
BUT recently i was given this picture and all of a sudden i feel happy again
lets see if it helps you mate
the future bright,,,,,, ok its not orange but its also not a 20 year old car chasing rust
join the rest of the members mate,,,,,, understand why the 3 series bmw is sold more than the mondeo this year
understand why ford are loosing 1 million quid a month
then realise that for 1500 quid you get a car that does 140mph....... for over 30 mins,,,,,,,,, then you slow down for the 40mph zone and not to make a call at the orange box on the hard shoulder
not to mention its quiet inside,,,, no more bad backs when you get out the car and the MOST important thing,,,,,,, AIR CONDITIONING !!!!
good luck mate
it is a nice driveway, its a shame all those nasty German cars are on it ruining the pic though
25-10-2006, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
mate i remember the ford worries
BUT recently i was given this picture and all of a sudden i feel happy again
lets see if it helps you mate
the future bright,,,,,, ok its not orange but its also not a 20 year old car chasing rust
join the rest of the members mate,,,,,, understand why the 3 series bmw is sold more than the mondeo this year
understand why ford are loosing 1 million quid a month
then realise that for 1500 quid you get a car that does 140mph....... for over 30 mins,,,,,,,,, then you slow down for the 40mph zone and not to make a call at the orange box on the hard shoulder
not to mention its quiet inside,,,, no more bad backs when you get out the car and the MOST important thing,,,,,,, AIR CONDITIONING !!!!
good luck mate
BUT recently i was given this picture and all of a sudden i feel happy again
lets see if it helps you mate
the future bright,,,,,, ok its not orange but its also not a 20 year old car chasing rust
join the rest of the members mate,,,,,, understand why the 3 series bmw is sold more than the mondeo this year
understand why ford are loosing 1 million quid a month
then realise that for 1500 quid you get a car that does 140mph....... for over 30 mins,,,,,,,,, then you slow down for the 40mph zone and not to make a call at the orange box on the hard shoulder
not to mention its quiet inside,,,, no more bad backs when you get out the car and the MOST important thing,,,,,,, AIR CONDITIONING !!!!
good luck mate
25-10-2006, 08:34 PM
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being a fellow S1 owner i know just how you feel
My car has just passed the MOT (after 2 years off the road)
i've only used it for 5 miles and oil is leaking on the exhaust
manifold. problem is i don't know where the oil is coming from
so it looks like a full fooking engine strip down again!
(no it's not the rocker cover gasket before anybody asks )
Looks like a cracked head to me
I might just brake the Bastard before it brakes me!
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My car has just passed the MOT (after 2 years off the road)
i've only used it for 5 miles and oil is leaking on the exhaust
manifold. problem is i don't know where the oil is coming from
so it looks like a full fooking engine strip down again!
(no it's not the rocker cover gasket before anybody asks
)Looks like a cracked head to me
I might just brake the Bastard before it brakes me!
Not a for sale post
25-10-2006, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mark s
being a fellow S1 owner i know just how you feel
My car has just passed the MOT (after 2 years off the road)
i've only used it for 5 miles and oil is leaking on the exhaust
manifold. problem is i don't know where the oil is coming from
so it looks like a full fooking engine strip down again!
(no it's not the rocker cover gasket before anybody asks )
Looks like a cracked head to me
I might just brake the Bastard before it brakes me!
Not a for sale post
My car has just passed the MOT (after 2 years off the road)
i've only used it for 5 miles and oil is leaking on the exhaust
manifold. problem is i don't know where the oil is coming from
so it looks like a full fooking engine strip down again!
(no it's not the rocker cover gasket before anybody asks
)Looks like a cracked head to me
I might just brake the Bastard before it brakes me!
Not a for sale post
I think we all go through similar things at some point or another, enevitably if you keep going for long enough and spend enough it will be ok in the end. Just depends what you want, because I see it as a hobby and not day to day transport then its easy to justify these little teething problems.
25-10-2006, 08:41 PM
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pmsl @ b9Kos
you KNOW its true though,,,,,, 1500 quid,,,,, a months wage for a car that does a PROPER 140mph,,,,,, not ford 140mph on clocks but actually 112mph and have parts of it falling off it ect
you KNOW its true though,,,,,, 1500 quid,,,,, a months wage for a car that does a PROPER 140mph,,,,,, not ford 140mph on clocks but actually 112mph and have parts of it falling off it ect
25-10-2006, 08:44 PM
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I have had so much bad luck this year with my XR4i Cossie Turbo its untrue
First off had headgasket problem, fixed that then the engine bay caught fire
After a few weeks my brother and i sorted the burnt wiring and got it running again only for the headgasket to go again but on closer inspection the block had cracked
Sorted another block, rings, bearings etc and got it running again for all of 700 miles when it started to knock
I had put the big ends in round the wrong way
Was lucky the crank polished out and another new set of bearings and it was working again.
Then the alternator bolt snapped,and the bolt was rubbing on the fan belts. Sounded like i had a supercharger
And the latest thing it would not start the other week when i wanted to go out for a play i just put it back in the garage. Looked at it a few days later to find the earth lead lose, cleaned it and done it up and it started let it run for a bit then put it away, came out the garage to find a big pool of oil the turbo oil feed had a hole in it.
If it would of started the day i wanted to use it my engine would of gone bang
So i was very lucky for once this year
Steve.
First off had headgasket problem, fixed that then the engine bay caught fire
After a few weeks my brother and i sorted the burnt wiring and got it running again
only for the headgasket to go again but on closer inspection the block had cracked Sorted another block, rings, bearings etc and got it running again for all of 700 miles when it started to knock
I had put the big ends in round the wrong way
Was lucky the crank polished out and another new set of bearings and it was working again.
Then the alternator bolt snapped,and the bolt was rubbing on the fan belts. Sounded like i had a supercharger
And the latest thing it would not start the other week when i wanted to go out for a play
i just put it back in the garage. Looked at it a few days later to find the earth lead lose, cleaned it and done it up and it started let it run for a bit then put it away, came out the garage to find a big pool of oil the turbo oil feed had a hole in it.If it would of started the day i wanted to use it my engine would of gone bang
So i was very lucky for once this year
Steve.
25-10-2006, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
I have had so much bad luck this year with my XR4i Cossie Turbo its untrue
First off had headgasket problem, fixed that then the engine bay caught fire
After a few weeks my brother and i sorted the burnt wiring and got it running again only for the headgasket to go again but on closer inspection the block had cracked
Sorted another block, rings, bearings etc and got it running again for all of 700 miles when it started to knock
I had put the big ends in round the wrong way
Was lucky the crank polished out and another new set of bearings and it was working again.
Then the alternator bolt snapped,and the bolt was rubbing on the fan belts. Sounded like i had a supercharger
And the latest thing it would not start the other week when i wanted to go out for a play i just put it back in the garage. Looked at it a few days later to find the earth lead lose, cleaned it and done it up and it started let it run for a bit then put it away, came out the garage to find a big pool of oil the turbo oil feed had a hole in it.
If it would of started the day i wanted to use it my engine would of gone bang
So i was very lucky for once this year
Steve.
First off had headgasket problem, fixed that then the engine bay caught fire
After a few weeks my brother and i sorted the burnt wiring and got it running again
only for the headgasket to go again but on closer inspection the block had cracked Sorted another block, rings, bearings etc and got it running again for all of 700 miles when it started to knock
I had put the big ends in round the wrong way
Was lucky the crank polished out and another new set of bearings and it was working again.
Then the alternator bolt snapped,and the bolt was rubbing on the fan belts. Sounded like i had a supercharger
And the latest thing it would not start the other week when i wanted to go out for a play
i just put it back in the garage. Looked at it a few days later to find the earth lead lose, cleaned it and done it up and it started let it run for a bit then put it away, came out the garage to find a big pool of oil the turbo oil feed had a hole in it.If it would of started the day i wanted to use it my engine would of gone bang
So i was very lucky for once this year
Steve.
I wanted to break mine when just the oil pump went
25-10-2006, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
I have had so much bad luck this year with my XR4i Cossie Turbo its untrue
First off had headgasket problem, fixed that then the engine bay caught fire
After a few weeks my brother and i sorted the burnt wiring and got it running again only for the headgasket to go again but on closer inspection the block had cracked
Sorted another block, rings, bearings etc and got it running again for all of 700 miles when it started to knock
I had put the big ends in round the wrong way
Was lucky the crank polished out and another new set of bearings and it was working again.
Then the alternator bolt snapped,and the bolt was rubbing on the fan belts. Sounded like i had a supercharger
And the latest thing it would not start the other week when i wanted to go out for a play i just put it back in the garage. Looked at it a few days later to find the earth lead lose, cleaned it and done it up and it started let it run for a bit then put it away, came out the garage to find a big pool of oil the turbo oil feed had a hole in it.
If it would of started the day i wanted to use it my engine would of gone bang
So i was very lucky for once this year
Steve.
First off had headgasket problem, fixed that then the engine bay caught fire
After a few weeks my brother and i sorted the burnt wiring and got it running again
only for the headgasket to go again but on closer inspection the block had cracked Sorted another block, rings, bearings etc and got it running again for all of 700 miles when it started to knock
I had put the big ends in round the wrong way
Was lucky the crank polished out and another new set of bearings and it was working again.
Then the alternator bolt snapped,and the bolt was rubbing on the fan belts. Sounded like i had a supercharger
And the latest thing it would not start the other week when i wanted to go out for a play
i just put it back in the garage. Looked at it a few days later to find the earth lead lose, cleaned it and done it up and it started let it run for a bit then put it away, came out the garage to find a big pool of oil the turbo oil feed had a hole in it.If it would of started the day i wanted to use it my engine would of gone bang
So i was very lucky for once this year
Steve.
Thats quite a few problems big ish problems for a year, well done for making your way through that little lot
25-10-2006, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Stoo
Stevie, would it help if i gave you a hugg?
a dont wana see your ecos just now mate incase im like
some one summed it up.a felt like this with the black one and sold it and i regreted it so no dobt id be the same with the s1
25-10-2006, 09:09 PM
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As Dan said mate, you're going to have a ONE OFF car, S1's are rare enough let alone one with the power you'll have. It's alot of money but it's what you're interested in. You can't sell this car, it needs to be finished 
But just always remember this, no matter how much you spend on the S1.....you'll always be alot uglier than me.
But just always remember this, no matter how much you spend on the S1.....you'll always be alot uglier than me.