can anyone help me and a project i got

i want to buy a small (about )800x400mm bed vertical cnc machine and tool changer, it must be able to support a 4th axis deviding head!

anyone know any good companys to deal with? any good website?


thanks

 

http://www.xyzmachinetools.com/



Not cheap though Gaz

 

thanks for the link, we use a few companys in work,, i just wanna make sure im not missing any part of the market out

its for work,,, so I dont care about money,, im sure they do though

 

i dont know if they make anything that small, but if moneys no option i'd always by a Mazak machine. i've used loads of cnc's over the years and have run 2 Mazak multi-axis lathes for the last 8.
there pretty much bullet proof (ive tested this a few times ) very user friendly operating system and very good technical back up, but there NOT cheap

 

do they use fanuc control?

you can get desktop vertical mills now

 

they can be programmed in iso (fanuc) or mazatrol, there own 'conversational' system that makes fanuc look as old as latin

 

ah wicked

this is sort of what i want,,, about the right size

http://www.nsmachine.com/New_Machinery/11131.html


its only $35k

 

Fanuc - Not used that CNC language for about 6 years

then again, I did all of my CNC training (NVQ2 and City + Guilds) on Denford machines, If I had the money for a small cnc set, then I would buy them now

 

Two guys who i do some work for have just purchased two Eagle 850's with 4th Axis's

They are bloody good machines for the money, good finance deals and use Fanuc 0i control which is shit hot. And the machine are very very quick and have 20k spindles.

I use (and they do) Mastercam V10 for programming, very good for 4th axis work.

If you need any info give me a shout as i have a contact at dugards

http://www.dugardmachines.co.uk/mach...ineModelID=277

Are you a machinest as the art to machining is in methodoligy not just the machine or the software you use to program it

 

If you have money to burn however check these machine's out.

I used to use an 11 pallet horizontal with 30k spindle, the dogs of machine tools.

http://www.matsuura.co.uk/

 

wicked thanks mate

you havent got a rought price have you (minus vat of cause)

 

Heres another site, i have a contact here as well if you want.

http://www.ymtltd.co.uk/ they always have second hand machine for sale

 

Once you've beaten them up a bit for a deal i think they work out about 35k with 4th axis but you'll need a bit of tooling as well i.e tool holders, cutters etc, probably wanna spend about 1 - 1.5k to start with on tooling

Depends what you want to do with the machine ?

 

im am electrical/mech engineer, but ive got machinests in work, and look after a toolroom as one of my roles

i cant really tell you what i want the machine for,, but it could save me building a one off machine

 

nudge nudge wink wink lol

 

sadly i cant buy secondhand because of the place it is going

 

that was ment as a pm

 

Well I reckon the dugard machines would be a good bet then, from what i've see of them they are well made and obviously they are all fanuc electronics, drives, software etc and so you can't go far wrong for that money

 

I think xyz are worth a look, we are in the process of buying a 4 axis xyz for our toolroom at the moment

 

How much we looking at for a basic cnc machine?

 

XYZ Machines are great for a tool room, very simple to use, however i don't think they'd be what gareth wants

They are basically manual turret or bed mills with CNC control added so can be used as either manual or CNC.

I don't like them because they are open and if you start doing some proper metal removal then every thing gets covered in swarf

 

Xyz of the past perhaps but not there new stuff, take a look at there website

 

Lathe or mill?

Like everything it depends what you want it for, you can buy old CNC mills for 4 or 5 k but they'd probably be open turret machines like the bridgeport interacts, these are very well made mind...

For someone starting out an XYZ mill would probably be 12 to 15k at a guess, same with their 2 axis CNC platen lathes

 

Dude, the company i subcontract for have just bought 2 new machines from XYZ... I know what they are like

 

the mills arent very robust and are not the best around for accuracy(mclaren only use them as they were free )
mori seiki are very good
depends on what you gonna do...steel/ally..
tolerances
high speed machining
need a conversational control or programme offline

there is alot of variables!!

 

I run Datron machines, they're deffo worth a look gareth

 

Don'y know how you can say that Mazaks are that much worse than mori's


Its all down to budget and what you want from the machine.

If money was no object Makino or Matsuura machines would be the ones i'd choose

But you can get some bloody good work from Mazaks and they are used a lot in the aerospace industry

 

I agree we have 2 intergerx 2 200's and they are pretty good, we did a lot of work and looked at all the options, money was not a problem and we chose the mazaks because they where good

 

I was trying to say that depending on the model they are infact fully enclosed and every thing wont get covered in swarf, they are a good budget machine manufacturer and have a very large range of smaller machines, did you go to mach 2006? XYZ had about 30 machines there all shapes and sizes from a bridgeport series 1 type machine up to some quite nice fully enclosed 4 axis mills

 

I do have to agree, they do have a very impressive line up now. I must admit the last time i saw them at mach they only had a enclosed machine that was 500 or so in the X. I see they do one thats over a meter now

I love watching an Intergrex working, sooooo impressive! (thats the one with the 5 axis moving table isn't it? )

 

the integrexes are 5 axis single spindle single chuck with bar feed and are pretty good although they do a twin spindle twin chuck model which is mind boggling to watch, we also have a variaxis 500 which is a 5 axis horizontal mill which is better imo, but it depends on what your doing of course

 

gotta love a well programmed 5 axis machine

is there any machine shows coming up that anyone knows of?

 

not in this country that I know of, you could always go to JIMTOF in Tokyo 1-8 November although you may not be able to swing that

 

ow if i have to,,, ill do anything for a good company

 

Yes I bet.

 

Unless you're using PC driven ISO toolpaths Mazak machines are crippled by their "Fisher Price" conversational programming language
We have an FJV20 machining centre at work and the machine tool is superb Pity it did not come with Heidenhain control

Mark

 

"Fisher price" Its all down to the tool description mate and programming experience, you can get them to do anything, believe me.
as for Mazaks not being accurate... thats bollox, i work on aeropace components everyday and it holds the tolerances i usually have to work to ie. +/- 0.0002in.

 

we dont use the mazatrol we program of line, but they are accurate we hold similar tollerances to to the above milling tool steel

 

The Mazak machine tool is the dogs bollox, very accurate and very reliable. Enlighten me as to tool description, the one we have at work won't do a damn thing unless it uses one of the Mazatrol canned cycles which are as much use as rubber lips on a woodpecker for toolmaking. Drilling holes and milling pockets it's great at

Being an expert Mazatrol programmer can you explain how you can machine say a pitch corrected and tapered thread using the Mazatrol programming language on a vertical Mazak machining centre like the FJV20

Edit to add.
At work we use the £90,000 Mazak machining centre for the donkey work and have to rely on an old Bridgeport Interact 1 Mk2 to do all the complicated stuff because it has a FAR more capable control. If you are any good at trigonometry, Pythagoras and geometry you can make full use of the "parametric" programming built into the Heidenhain control system and write programs with relatively few lines that have conditional loops and nesting of subroutines using the "Q" parameters and the fact that you can control EVERY move the machine makes.

Mark

 

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