SG9E

Yeah, I agree. But Subaru did at least come out with a superb chassis to make up for the cost cutting. Back in 98 there was a test with a classic, M3, Boxter and Elise. The classic beat everything hands down on handling, in wet and the dry. It was used as for the Turbo 2000 marketing literature.

Now, I mentioned this once on Scoobynet and I was told that Subarus do not have good handling they just grip.....WTF! And that was from one of our own.......it went downhill after that point.

Noisy Boy

well ya your right, should of really asked if they didnt have restriction on building them what sort of power would they get out of a scooby? dont really know how much them engines can be pushed too?

Anonymous

1000bhp or so like most 4 cylinder 2.0 lumps roughly i guess.

Andy F certainly must be getting close to that.

200bhp per litre is about the limit of what anyone is likely to release in a fairly mainstream road car at the moment though IMHO

Anonymous

Handling and grip are NOT the same thing.

Perfectly possible for one car to grip more than another but handle worse.

Noisy Boy

not a scooby fan but do love the sound of them, has there ever been a rwd scooby?

Anonymous

Couple of imprezza have been converted to RWD, but none from the factory.

Noisy Boy

were they any good? always heard that scoobys lost alot of power fthrough transmission, but i surpose its the same with 4wd cossies

Anonymous

Ive not had the pleasure of driving a rwd one mate.

But yeah 4wd systems in general lose more power than rwd

SG9E

But each Veyron is made at a loss. It was ultimately a proof of concept vehicle. This goes right back to the cost against performance issue, which I think is at the right balance.

I looked at an EVO X once! Nice car. Have you seen the emissions? If Greenpeace had there way you would be paying £1500 road tax, instead of £180 for the scoob!

Oranoco

Don't get me started on the whinging greenies

If they had their way everybody would walk, the country would collapse and the only people to be happy with things would be the tree huggers with their hemp underpants

Transport 2000 anybody

SG9E

Ummm, I didnt say they were the same thing. My point was that the classic had just won a test on handling conducted professionally, and I was told by some muppet that 'it did not handle, it gripped'.

My friend used to race TVR's, he commented that I would kill myself at the first roundabout I come to in a TVR.....he wasnt too overjoyed by the Impreza until he tried it for himself.

SG9E

No, but you can change the bias to be all at the rear using the DCCD.

SG9E

And nobody has called me a cnut or a hairdresser yet! Amazing, especially with my signature for my 'summer' rag top car. I might stay here

Oranoco

Well if it'll make you feel better. You cnuting hairdresser

_DAN_

You cunting hairdresser,

_DAN_

Oranoco

Physio

Allow me... your a cunt

TheBishMan

Ahhhhhhh look what you've started now...bloody hairdressers

SG9E

No! Youve got it all wrong!

Your first supposed to tell me how slow my V6 is. Then you tell me how heavy it is, then when I say 'it has DSG and launch control' you proceed to anally rape me.....ohhh my arse is soo sore.

After all, it is all in the driving. If you cant drive its useless having all those extra HP. Though its handy having launch control....

Anonymous

You own a clitoris (scooby) so by definition you are a cunt.

Oranoco

Hope some nice lady hairdressers come on now to correct us

SG9E

Errr, no actually......I don't own one

Oranoco

Looks like a TT to me

Redkop

Mike Wood has commented on SN though why he thinks there's so many meltdowns.

Another quote from a top tuner on SN

You aren't serious are you? An Evo is far more of an everyday car with its linear power delivery with boost coming in sooner and staying throughout the rev range.

Anonymous

Well you did, so you used to have a clit, so basically you are a cunt but are just one that is now circumcised

SG9E

All I have ever read on the Evo Vs Scoob is that one is frantic and one is 'frankly' dull in comparison, but which one did they choose?.....

If the EVO was the more easier to live with there would now be an EvoNet forum and everyone would be driving an Evo. So I think volume of sales speaks for itself.

......and what is that I hear...its clarkson shouting 'POWER'!

Dont you guys look at anything past power output/delivery?

Have you looked at the cost of ownership, or running costs of an EVO? The WHOLE package was easier to live with as a day to day car.

1000 engines repaired over five years on three turbo'd models over a ten year life span? Doesnt sound that bad to me, given the percentage this represents on vehicles sold. And after all, as has been highlighted on here and pointed out by Mike Wood....keep them standard, and they will be reliable.

fezzanut

not many people like you do they ponce?maybe its because...








































your a CUNT!!!

RichardPON

You still here?

Two people out of a multitude - how awful.

You sound really bitter - you want to share something with the class?

Plus...... and this is only for your benefit, if you're going to attempt to insult someone, it always helps to check your spelling.

It's supposed be "you're" - as in "you're a lowlife, scummy, welsh chavston layabout, who I wouldn't scrape off the bottom of my boot."

Please bring on some real opposition - this is far too easy!

xr2i-carl

MATT J:...But comparing Andy's scooby to the majority of chavved up, lexus light wearing early standard import/uk scoob is a bit like comparing your saph to your average stg3 cossie. difference is stg3 cossie man doesnt think his cars is a total weapon thats unbeatable!

now days the average scooby owner is the ford owner of yester year so to speak, where as these days your average RST/cossie owner is an older enthusiast after cheap performance, not something to go tear arsing around maccie D's carpark. so the tables have turned. speak to your average scooby owner about tuned fords and they think your joking when you tell them they'll piss all over there shit slow standard scooby, they really are that blinkered. Your average RST/cossie owner tends to have a bit more general knowledge where cars are concerned, and know what most things are capable of.

I can honestly say that round here I havent seen a chavved up ford for ages, I live 100 yards form NMS, so I see a few and they all are either standard looking or slight changes a non enthusiast would notice, where as EVERY scooby around here has lexus lights and a drainpipe exhaust with bling wheels (how rally esque ) so how they can slag of Ford escort owners is beyond me



YOU TALK SENSE MATE

aduz

EIL132

No chavved up Fords in Essex Give us a break You're forgetting, an RST owner starting slagging off Scoobs, which is a little pot, kettle. A Scoob has at least some proper heritage and is a decent car, where as the RST has zero, just an XR3i Ford parts bin job with an RS badge. The S1 did do some racing, but the S2 was just a marketing ploy, along with the FRST and the RS1800. The RS always had credibility as being a road going version of a rally car, until the RST came along and then it went tits up. I know, I owned one

Redkop

The chavs in their masses chose the Scoob when IM flooded the UK market and even moreso when the residuals dropped alarmingly. CCC limited the Evos for exclusivity.

Ermm do you know what.... I think I might just know about running costs of an Evo As they are far more reliable, easily tuned to 350bhp or more safely, they make for a far better day to day car. I have driven many Scoobs inc a P1 and a 22b, all of them left me stone cold, other than the flat four burble, it was a bland, unexciting, ugly car. That's why MLR and EvoNet are full of ex Scoob owners who are either upgrading or have already upgraded to an Evo. Don't believe all you read about pricey running costs of an Evo, it's usually the people who can't afford to buy an Evo and they use it as an excuse. Two 4.5kor 6 month services a year will cost £400, no more than any other performance car.

The 1000 engines rebuilt were by one tuner alone. Figures were not available for the ones done by other garages/tuners or ones under warranty.

SG9E

Frankly I am getting bored with you now! You have contradicted yourself, and you STILL do not get the point. So I am going to give up trying to explain it. I think you 'think' that I am trying to defend the scoob, which I am not......

I have no doubt that the EVO is the better car, but is it what I would choose to go to Tescos....no!

Is it a question of cost for me? NO!....christ I could afford to buy a brand new RS4, so its got nothing to do with cost. BUT! Is Mrs Bloggs going to buy a car that costs more than double for a service, no she is not. It is a common sense decision NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CAR OR PERFORMANCE. IIRC my first service for the WRX300 was free and the second £140 at a main dealer. Is Mrs Bloggs going to accept the additional fuel costs, the additional oil costs, the extra road tax costs (due to emissions over 250) and so on. The Impreza is in a different market IMO to an EVO. The impreza is a cheap(ish) performance saloon, whereas the EVO is a weapon of mass destruction. The market for the former is a lot bigger than the market for the latter.

Chavs in their masses choose the UK car when IM flooded the market? You have not read anything I have said have you. The McDonalds tyre squealing brigade are all in WRX imports as these are the cheapest Impreza's you can buy. Unless of course you are implying that I am a chav for buying three UK spec cars, in which case I take exception. I had to wait over a year for my P1, that is a genuine enthusiast not a chav. I didnt even know how much it was going to cost when I ordered it. People forget that in 1999 when details of the P1 were released, the STI was not sold in the UK, and therefore the P1 was the ultimate Impreza.

I didnt know there was an EvoNet BTW...

I was thinking long and hard about the issue of engine rebuilds. People seem to forget that eight years ago there was not the knowledge base there is now. For example I can quote from experience of a tuner who put a CAI and full decat on a P1 and warrantied it without doing a remap. Was an eyelid batted then? No! Because most people didnt even know what a remap was. It is well known now that CAI alter the MAF flow readings, and can lead to det, then meltdown.

Why does Mike Wood say that the P1 was less prone to det than a Type R? Probably because he knows he put a fuel catalyst in the tank. At the end of the day these levels of abuse, would only come into effect at very high revs and high speed i.e. on a track or as some people proudly boast on the roads. Either way their style of driving dicatates the outcome....

Again, given the sheer volume of cars and the number of models in the range, and the ten year period in question, I do not think 1000 engines rebuilt by one tuner is bad at all. Especially considering the amount of engines that went bang which were self-inflicted.

Given that I have seen a series 1 CVH engine rebuilt three times in less than five years, I really do not see where this comparison is leading. If an engine is modified to output power far outside its engineered design, then goes bang, is the manufacturer to blame or the idiot that pushed it too far? You seem to be implying that a Subaru engine has some sort of design flaw, when it would appear it is the people driving them that have the flaw.

Look at Scoobynet today, one of the first posts is 'How do I get 400bhp out of my P1'. Answer, you cant, unless you want to spend 10k doing it. This has nothing to do with Subaru reliability it is all to do with the idiots buying the car. Later on in the thread he is asked why he wants 400bhp, to which he replies 'dunno, I just though it was a good figure LOL'.......

I have said I looked at getting an EVO, I have said the EVO is the better car, what else do you want me to say? Do you want me on my knees sucking your manhood or something? Just get the fuck off my back now

SG9E

hooray someone who gets it. The people are the issue not the car

SG9E

I thought this might interest some of you. With basic breathing mods the power can be safely upped a little more, but generally the standard outputs for each model are considered adequate for the target customers.

Bullett

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SG9E
i think redkop is a bird mate.not 1oo per cent though.

and when the 1000 engines was mentioned its was only counted from 2001 at one tuner. just in case everyone calls you a knob

DaveEscos

what from £350 to £400?

JOY!

SG9E

OK that would explain the responce. Yes, I know it was from one tuner, and as I have said over and over again. Given the range of models, the volume of cars, the time scale in question, and the failues due to idiots blowing them up, I dont think this is a bad figure (from that individual tuner).

Bullett

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Bullett

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really?i wouldve thought that many in 5 years from just one tuner was quite high but then again i have no other stats from other engine types so hard to compare.