SG9E

Hi Guys,

First post....and I bet you can guess where I've come from!

Firstly, let me tell you what I've had:

AX GT, Series 1 RST, Series 2 RST, RS2000 (2wd), Impreza Turbo 2000, Impreza P1, Impreza WRX300......

I almost got an RS1800i, but I didnt like the Fiesta's steering.

Now, I no longer own an Impreza...shock, horror, I hear you say! Why? Because I am ashamed and embarassed to drive around in a blue car with gold wheels. Is this 'actually' because of the car? No, of course not, its because of the reputation that comes with owning an Impreza.

Someone quite rightly pointed out that everyone has got one, and most are ten year old WRX imports. BUT HEAR THIS!

As far as I am concerned I refer this state of affairs back to the late eighties / early nineties. Do you remember when every prick had an XR3i or XR2? Why did they have them, because they were cheap etc etc.

Did I sell the RS because of embarassment of driving Escorts....no I didnt. So it is a real shame that I sold the Impreza, but there you go.

One thing to mention is that Scoobnet GENERAL is for all intense and purposes a muppet forum. There is rarely any coherent advice, unless you go to one of th sub forums. That is a shame. I try to avoid it nowadays, but still get sucked in occasionly!

And on behalf of all the genuine Impreza drivers that have been around since the start, I apologise for the conduct of newer drivers, as they truely give us a bad name. But unfortunately each marque has these twats, yours included...

Anyway, this has sparked of a tinge of nostalgia. I would be very interested in getting a series 1 again, or a concours H reg series 2, as a hobby thing...

BTW, I am waiting for my new vehicle...something far more powerful and far more discrete!

Cheers,

SG9E

dojj

iTrader: (3)

thats a good 1st post me thinks

but i think that everyone has made up their minds as to either the buy with the s1 is great at winding up scooby drivers or that no one should compare a fwd old car to a 4wd superhyperslaying all singing all dancing because one of them does 200 mph blue cars with gold wheels on etc and then others have made up their minds that ebcause he didn't put a capital letter in one of his posts that he is not worthy of the privelige of posting on the scooby site and then you had the faction that decided that when a corner came up the scooby would be quicker

and there are probably 300 other versions that will come out in the long run when this post is, ineviatably, reserected in a few weeks itme when someone in a scooby will "slay" an rst or the like

not many have actually understood that the guy with the s1 was asking what sort of power the p1 had, at no time did he mention he was running a hi spec track car type of weapon and everyone on scoobydoobydoo became deranged morons and decided that there was no way a standard s1rst would kick the arse of their champion elect in a striaght line

there was no baiting, even though everyone says it must have been

some people are blinkered and it's nice to see them removed once in a while, if only to see that they still can't see the whole picture

on a whole, i think the posters here are more aware of their blinkers than those of other forums

SG9E

I have to admit I would have interpreted the initial post as a troll trying to provoke, which it did!

If you type 'P1 BHP' in google, the first hit says its 280bhp, thats without actually going onto the site. The guys actually got out of their cars and spoke to each other! One would assume that they would have swapped bhp! IMHO, I see it no other way than a deliberate provoke.

But what we are forgetting is that probably 90% of people that replied have never owned/driven/seen a series 1, and are basically naive! I mean these 20 - 30 yr olds did not have a performance ford to drive for the last ten years. They have gone from Saxo to Impreza......so to speak.

cressy

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just registared can`t wait till i get home to get on that post

Dan Cossie

what a bunch of w*****s...thats all that needs to be said i think

Redkop

Interesting adult discussion about Scooby power here. CLICKY

ScoobyNet was once a great forum, full of knowledgeable, nice people but they don't frequent it anymore because it really has gone to the dogs now..... full of trolls, know-alls and arrogant chavs who truly believe Scoobs are better than any car on the road and anyone who doesn't own one is insanely jealous. Unfortunately this image of the current Scoob owner is personified only too well on ScoobyNet.

ballin

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Yes I do, but I've also had RS's in the past and like them. Yes the BMW is better (at some things), but I still like Fords and dont live on a site for a marque I think is shit like you do!

I think most realise a Ford isn't the best car in the world, but this is PASSIONford.com and it gets really boring hearing the same few people taking the piss out of anyone that owns one and having a high and mighty I'm better than you attitude.

Bullett

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right im not picking a row but is aarons car a series 1 thats been painted black and had an engine change or a 3i thats had the work done?because from my recolection only princess di's was painted black by ford?

tregmatt

iTrader: (3)

thats right if your ford dont do 200 mph rod dont wont to now thats sad
if your scooby does he will love it whake up rod

Anonymous

Series 1 resprayed black, cause his uncle always used to call him "his little princess" when he was playing that game where he would bounced on his knee, so he thought it was appropriate for him to have a black one too like the other princess.

Anonymous

You have COMPLETELY misunderstood Rods point.

He is saying those people that think a very modified RS Turbo beating a standard scooby mean RS Turbo's are better should instead be comparing a very modified RS Turbo with the best of the modified scoobys for it to be a comparison with any point.

And that happens to be a 200mph+ car.

Bullett

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pmsl! not a nice thought.

_DAN_

Who is that kregturbo on snet?

Utter chavscum

Ad4m RST

You've GOT to be joking, so by that stupid logic if a scooby owner wastes a properly modded cossie then asks a bit about them he's not welcome to post just because he can't match the very fastest ones out there

As a couple people did say on scoobynet anyone can spend alot of money to make one car faster than another, and what you and Andy Forest have spent respectively boggles the mind.

Its all relative Rod

_DAN_

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Redkop

Cracks me up the way they defend their 'super' cars....

Do a search on SN for - engine rebuilds P1

Bullett

iTrader: (2)

let me guess the first ingrident is chocolate?

Anonymous

The P1 colour is almost the same as cadbury's too

Bullett

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chip-3door
well yeah thats where they got the idea,the gold wheels are an ode to the cadbury writing!

Anonymous

Bullett

iTrader: (2)

if i could use photoshop i'd sign write a pic of one for you.

SG9E

And I guess all your cars are on the standard internals then? None of them have had an engine rebuild?

The P1 was not mapped for UK fuel, Prodrives answer to that problem was to add a fuel catalyst. This may have worked if used with 98 RON fuel, but clearly did not cut the mustard with 95 RON, which was stated in the manual as safe......

.......this is why there were so many engine rebuilds.

Engine melt downs are not funny....as I am sure some of you can appreciate

Anonymous

Standard cossie internals are suitable for 400bhp+ no bother

Why was the P1 not mapped for UK fuel, i thought the P1 was developed by prodrive who are UK based, and developed specifically for the UK market?

SG9E

Yes you are right, but in answer I have absolutely no idea why it was not remapped. Mike Wood is regularly on Scoobynet, but I have yet to see him comment on it.....

With regards to the chocolate, as I see it, the noobs buy a ten year old import WRX, which incidently has been ultra reliable for ten years. Then the first post on SNET is 'how do I get 350 bhp', then the second post is 'I've blown up my engine, I thought these were reliable'. I'm sick off it to be honest.

A rough guide is a wrx is good for say 260-280bhp, an STI 300-330, a JDM up to 360ish, without any major reworking. But people push it too far and thats that.

One thing to note though is that you only ever read about engines that have gone into meltdown. You will never get a post saying 'my engine has been reliable for ten years'. This is the same for anything, you never see positive posts, only negative. Statistically, considering the amount of Impreza's on the road, only a small number have had engine failures and that was self-induced. It did win JDPower engine reliability for three years in a row....

Anonymous

Ah, i See, thanks for taking the time to explain that.

So what you are saying then is basically:
wrx = white chocolate
Sti = dark chocolate
JDM = bourneville



They all sound pretty crappy compared to a set of cossie pistons and rods which are fine for 600bhp with only a basic bit of machining to make the CR suitable.

wakeboardtom

Just thought id say that some of those Scooby owners (not all) sound like right twwwwwwwwwwwwwats on that site! LOL nice one essexrsturbo and lovely car mate...

SG9E

Yeah, but I dont think many people get the point that it was not designed to be a weapon, in which you would get in and modify the nuts out of it.

It was supposed to be a day to day saloon. This is why it was always favoured over the EVO as you can live with it on a day to day basis.....I mean even 'yer missus could drive it.

Is there a market for over engineered cars? It would cost Subaru a lot in development to reach those power levels, and that cost would be passed on to the customer. I think it has balanced the power/cost issue very well. To reiterate this, look at the cost of the Type-25, 10k over the top of a standard Spec-C. Now the die hards will buy a Type-25. But will Mrs Bloggs buy a WRX if her internals were now good for 450bhp, but she had to pay a 10k premium.......no, probably not.

This is why power levels remain as they are....IMHO

Sean_RS

SG9E

.....and the one thing that all of your are forgetting...emissions!

With all due respect your cars are so old that you dont have to worry about it!

Nowadays things are very very tight, with Euro IV, and this has to be considered a great lengths at design stage. This is why Subaru sent us the 2.5 engine when it still uses the 2.0 in jap land. All of you thinking that the increased capacity was to increase power are wrong, it was purely to get through the stringent emissions regs.

This is why new cars 'arent made like they used to'.

Oranoco

Well as much as I dislike Subaru's I have to say to SG9E for coming across and actually being able to have a constructive discussion on the subject.

To be fair I don't really have an issue with the cars more the people that seem to drive them nowadays. I know when my mates first started getting them years back I thought they were the business and the owners didn't seem to be idiots with over inflated egos

AlexD

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I like the Scooby's believe it or not .....

I almost bought a UK 300 instead of the Escos, but i just prefer the
Old Skool Escos feel, the Classic's get close to it....

There will always be banter because the Cossie has had the top spot
for sooo long...

But i would never spend 20k on a new Impreza, Someting TVR for me sir

Al....

Porkie

iTrader: (1)

I love Scoobs but I do agree with you about SG9E

Excellent posts which were good reading, seems a top chap

Can we keep him and send Ima to SN pls?

Oranoco

Should we start a poll?

RichardPON

Nope - he's banned.

Floated around on there years ago before they saw sense and booted him out!

Bullett

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who took the jam out of your donut? its banter mate,i know full well that cossie are known for blowin up,largely down to over tuning,but mostly due to age.and as for mine and its milage?believe it or not mine has 350bhp and has run that for 3yrs in my possession everyday up till recently when i got my house,its got 150k on the clock and on its original engine.no rebuilds.just a stronger headgasket.and many on here can vouch for that.
now i know ive made a few jokey comments about the scooby engine but lets face it nearly all performance cars that are tuned are unreliable.its the supercars that are designed to run it that can do it.look at tvr,they had recalls on their cars after 3k cos the engines were popping and my mates 2001 griff needs a top end build due to poor manufacture so it aint just cossies and scoobies,but i do know of quite a few that have popped and they aint p1's they are normal turbos.i know this because my mate has had to replace the engines as he works in a garage.

your comments are well thought out and it does make a change to have an informed person defending your side but it was at the start just a bit of a giggle mate

Anonymous

Thats why the scooby engine will NEVER be a legend to the extent the cosworth one was (well is still in fact!) IMHO.

The cosworth engine was built to a standard not to a cost.

A very VERY rare thing in the world of cars.


Only the skyline is of the same mindset really, evo internals are also chocolate by comparison (try putting 600bhp through a set of standard EVO rods).

I agree with everything you are saying (i work for Toyota myself so i understand the ethos of jap cars, built to be good enough for the job they are doing without excess cost to over engineer them) but its all part of the reason why i will always prefer the cossie, because just for that one day, the accountants were on holiday and the engineers decided what bits to put inside an engine

SG9E

Why, thank you!

I have to say it's nice not to be anally raped like I do on SNET! You say the slightest thing and someone turns it around and quotes it completely out of the context it was written in!

The Impreza IS a good car. Like you say it's the muppets that drive them that have driven the IMPREZA into the ground, and have destroyed what once was a good image. Ten years ago you could drive around in a classic and pretty much take on any hot hatch, and people wouldnt have a clue what it was......a sleeper so to speak.

But there are other models in the Subaru range, those that have not yet been tarnished by the burbery brigade........

Noisy Boy

so if a scooby have no restrictions, no safety issues etc, how quick could they be?

Oranoco

But back then when I was taking on the Scoobies if they lost I got a nod and a thumbs up and I returned the same when I lost.

Now most of them look at you like they want to kill you for daring to show their car a clean set of back tyres

Anonymous

Are you REALLY asking the question "if they had built a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CAR WITH NO SHARED PARTS AT ALL TO A TOTALLY DIFFERENT BRIEF" how quick would it be?

The Veryon is 240+ i believe, but still conforming to some of the rules the scooby is (emissions etc) so without any doubt it could be quicker than that.

Seems a pointless question though TBH!