1968 Mk1 Escort 1300 super. TOO BUBBLE OR NOT TO BUBBLE?
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1968 Mk1 Escort 1300 super. TOO BUBBLE OR NOT TO BUBBLE?
Hi now my Series 1 is sold, well nearly, I've gone and bought a Mk1 Escort. It needs a full restoration, and i am lost for ideas?
It is a 2door 1300 Super in (well a kind of) sea foam green/mint original colour. With the green/turquise vinal interior.
I have 3 ideas:
1 - Restore it to original factory spec
2 - Wack in mk2 2.0L capri engine and running gear
3 - Bubble arch and cossie it
Please give responsible answers, as i guess the majority will be bias and tell me to bubble & cossie it. I want to undertake the option that is going to give me the best return when i come to sell it! As i dont tend to keep my cars for more than a year as i enjoy restoring them more than driving them!! So the saying goes... Its better to travel than arrive.
cheers Lee
It is a 2door 1300 Super in (well a kind of) sea foam green/mint original colour. With the green/turquise vinal interior.
I have 3 ideas:
1 - Restore it to original factory spec
2 - Wack in mk2 2.0L capri engine and running gear
3 - Bubble arch and cossie it
Please give responsible answers, as i guess the majority will be bias and tell me to bubble & cossie it. I want to undertake the option that is going to give me the best return when i come to sell it! As i dont tend to keep my cars for more than a year as i enjoy restoring them more than driving them!! So the saying goes... Its better to travel than arrive.
cheers Lee
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18-10-2006, 08:18 AM
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So 1,2 and 3 then?
I think a few of you may be letting your own imagination take over here, thinking what you would do in an ideal situation!
I think bubbles are definalty out of the question, though i was looking foward to the idea of fiting them, as this would really test my welding and pannel skils! Im also thinking a cozzie lumps going to be a pain in the *&Ł$, i can understand it would be worth say Ł6-7K(?) at the end but i think the initial expence cancels out the higher sale price!???
Please correct me if im wrong but i think an original concourse 1300 super could fetch Ł5000?
So im thinking option 1 is best? All i have to do is restore/replace what ive got! Puting in a capri engine& running gear would cost and extra Ł300-400. So buy my reasoning the car would have to sell for Ł6k to make it worth while!
Arrr please help, and please be honest, i dont have a massive budjet, and remember im selling my fully restored Series 1 rs turbo, 4 days left on ebay
to fund this project so i dont want to loose my money with false economy modifications!
I think bubbles are definalty out of the question, though i was looking foward to the idea of fiting them, as this would really test my welding and pannel skils! Im also thinking a cozzie lumps going to be a pain in the *&Ł$, i can understand it would be worth say Ł6-7K(?) at the end but i think the initial expence cancels out the higher sale price!???
Please correct me if im wrong but i think an original concourse 1300 super could fetch Ł5000?
So im thinking option 1 is best? All i have to do is restore/replace what ive got! Puting in a capri engine& running gear would cost and extra Ł300-400. So buy my reasoning the car would have to sell for Ł6k to make it worth while!
Arrr please help, and please be honest, i dont have a massive budjet, and remember im selling my fully restored Series 1 rs turbo, 4 days left on ebay
to fund this project so i dont want to loose my money with false economy modifications!
18-10-2006, 01:33 PM
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imo it all depends on how good the body you are starting out with is?
If it's in very good condition i would leave it un arched put it on rs 4 spokes and add a 2.0ltr zetec.
If your going a full resto then depends on your own tastes tbh.
If i bought a MKI/II then i would probably never sell it so would make it how i wanted. eg bubble arches full grp4 suspension set up and probably a 2.3 Cosworth duratec, but thats what dreams are for lol.
If it's in very good condition i would leave it un arched put it on rs 4 spokes and add a 2.0ltr zetec.
If your going a full resto then depends on your own tastes tbh.
If i bought a MKI/II then i would probably never sell it so would make it how i wanted. eg bubble arches full grp4 suspension set up and probably a 2.3 Cosworth duratec, but thats what dreams are for lol.
18-10-2006, 06:55 PM
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Bubbles belong in the bath mate....
Unless you go for Retro Al's Race Car Stylee and then it works but on a plain coloured car not good IMHO.
Go for lovely period colour with simple steel wheels, either a Lotus rim or an original MkI Mexico steel wheel... complete with hub caps....
Wouldnt bother with a Pintosaurus, stick a 2.0 Zetec in there.
And just to make you moist like a sponge cake... check this..
Ok... its an Anglia with a Zetec in it.... but you get the idea.
Unless you go for Retro Al's Race Car Stylee and then it works but on a plain coloured car not good IMHO.
Go for lovely period colour with simple steel wheels, either a Lotus rim or an original MkI Mexico steel wheel... complete with hub caps....
Wouldnt bother with a Pintosaurus, stick a 2.0 Zetec in there.
And just to make you moist like a sponge cake... check this..
Ok... its an Anglia with a Zetec in it.... but you get the idea.
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Oh dear what have i started
Angel of course you can have it, you know you have first refusals what ever i do with it. Sell you S1 like me and you could afford to buy it, 
. c ya sat maby, if the weathers ok?X y is virgin under my name, who put that there 
As for the car itself yes it is solid, just needs new front wings and a few areas welded up. Im going to spray it in 2-pack, so will look the nads!. This is a fairly solid car, considering where it was sat for the last 2 years.
I think i need to confess im not a great, shall we say, passion-ate ford lover. i'e my S1 turbo is a beautiful car but i dont love it, it doesnt stir up those feelings which some cars do. You no what i mean!
And as for the zetec route, i think an old skool ford should have an old skool engine. ie mid 90's cossie or older.
To be totally honest with you guys im probably going to sell it when its done, as my true love is the 1949 beetle i have tucked away outside.
I agree bubbles are not for this car, i think they should be for the track only! I have a habbit of just buying cars because they come up at the right price, as this one did (my rs turbo, my '49 beetle you get the idea!). Its not as if i set out to get a mk1, it just happened, as such i dont have any personal tastes or "dreams" about the car!
For me right now its just a simple case of supply and demand. I need to know what is the best route to take with the car, with out devaluing it!
Sorry for going on, what im really interested in is what these things go for and the demand for them. E.g a standard 2dr mk1 1300 super, a cossied mk1, or a mk1 with a 2+/- L engine.
Ok i think ive decided its going to be concourse! unless any of you want a mk1 built to your spec, may i could do it for you. Of course You HAVE TO ASK ANGEL FIRST as she already has first refusal when shes sold her S1!
. c ya sat maby, if the weathers ok?X y is virgin under my name, who put that there As for the car itself yes it is solid, just needs new front wings and a few areas welded up. Im going to spray it in 2-pack, so will look the nads!. This is a fairly solid car, considering where it was sat for the last 2 years.
I think i need to confess im not a great, shall we say, passion-ate ford lover. i'e my S1 turbo is a beautiful car but i dont love it, it doesnt stir up those feelings which some cars do. You no what i mean!
And as for the zetec route, i think an old skool ford should have an old skool engine. ie mid 90's cossie or older.
To be totally honest with you guys im probably going to sell it when its done, as my true love is the 1949 beetle i have tucked away outside.
I agree bubbles are not for this car, i think they should be for the track only! I have a habbit of just buying cars because they come up at the right price, as this one did (my rs turbo, my '49 beetle you get the idea!). Its not as if i set out to get a mk1, it just happened, as such i dont have any personal tastes or "dreams" about the car!
For me right now its just a simple case of supply and demand. I need to know what is the best route to take with the car, with out devaluing it!
Sorry for going on, what im really interested in is what these things go for and the demand for them. E.g a standard 2dr mk1 1300 super, a cossied mk1, or a mk1 with a 2+/- L engine.
Ok i think ive decided its going to be concourse! unless any of you want a mk1 built to your spec, may i could do it for you. Of course You HAVE TO ASK ANGEL FIRST as she already has first refusal when shes sold her S1!
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Re: Oh dear what have i started
Originally Posted by Lee Ivatt
Of course You HAVE TO ASK ANGEL FIRST as she already has first refusal when shes sold her S1!
,not sat in a garage getting polished everyday 
19-10-2006, 08:34 PM
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woow there
Hey dont get me wrong im not a buffer!!! By concourse i mean the standard this car will be restored to, not what it is going to be used for. I cant think of anything more pointless then winning trophies, a car is ment for driving!!! sorry if ive offended any buffers
Angel there are 8 cars, 6 motor bikes, 3 microlights, 2 trailers, 6 para/ hand gliders. the plane would be on the driveway aswell if the farmer would sell some of his land for a strip. Oh and ive got another 3 transit vans coming soon. I know how you and Mr Angel (hey he sounds like a love god now) are upset ive got a mk1, and that im sellig the S1, but its all for the love of the challenge. You know i cant sit there watching eastenders,corrie, emmadale, so i may as well play with my spanners in the workshop!
Anyway imending this thread now as by sitting here im contradicing my last comment. Thanks everyone for all your help! I will be back when its finnished, hopefully xmas time. My aim is to get it im classic ford then sell it to Angel. Love or money im not fussed
Angel there are 8 cars, 6 motor bikes, 3 microlights, 2 trailers, 6 para/ hand gliders. the plane would be on the driveway aswell if the farmer would sell some of his land for a strip. Oh and ive got another 3 transit vans coming soon. I know how you and Mr Angel (hey he sounds like a love god now) are upset ive got a mk1, and that im sellig the S1, but its all for the love of the challenge. You know i cant sit there watching eastenders,corrie, emmadale, so i may as well play with my spanners in the workshop!
Anyway imending this thread now as by sitting here im contradicing my last comment. Thanks everyone for all your help! I will be back when its finnished, hopefully xmas time. My aim is to get it im classic ford then sell it to Angel. Love or money im not fussed
19-10-2006, 10:02 PM
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I too have 1968 1300 Super so went through the various choices.
Simple fact is a standard Supper will only be worth Ł1500 tops. People rarely buy base models for what they are, they want the shell. I not only bubbled, and ZETECed mine, I even changed to the round headlight front panel.
Check out my website.
Simple fact is a standard Supper will only be worth Ł1500 tops. People rarely buy base models for what they are, they want the shell. I not only bubbled, and ZETECed mine, I even changed to the round headlight front panel.
Check out my website.
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Hi thanks for all your comments.
I actually had time to day to strip the car, and it is really solid, all it needs is a bit of work to the floor, and of course new front wings, valence and lower rear arch inserts. the rear chassis rails etc are almost like new!
So all 4 arches if you like need replacing, this is making me think as they all need doing, i may as well bubble it.
Having taken the engine out, im actually shocked at how small it is, imseriously considereing a better engine! unfortuanatly a cossie is a bit out of budget, not to mention all the extra work of getting the ecu and fuel injection to work. If its anything like the grief my Series 1 rs turbo restoration gave me and my mate dean (and he works for ford!) thenI think ill stick with the n/a route.
Alot of you have mentioned using a zetec, but ive heard they have reliability issues?
My main thought is to find a donner mk2 2.0L capri and use the engine/gbox and front suspension as it all bolts straight in!
would this be acceptable? as im really not keen on zetecs!
I actually had time to day to strip the car, and it is really solid, all it needs is a bit of work to the floor, and of course new front wings, valence and lower rear arch inserts. the rear chassis rails etc are almost like new!
So all 4 arches if you like need replacing, this is making me think as they all need doing, i may as well bubble it.
Having taken the engine out, im actually shocked at how small it is, imseriously considereing a better engine! unfortuanatly a cossie is a bit out of budget, not to mention all the extra work of getting the ecu and fuel injection to work. If its anything like the grief my Series 1 rs turbo restoration gave me and my mate dean (and he works for ford!) thenI think ill stick with the n/a route.
Alot of you have mentioned using a zetec, but ive heard they have reliability issues?
My main thought is to find a donner mk2 2.0L capri and use the engine/gbox and front suspension as it all bolts straight in!
would this be acceptable? as im really not keen on zetecs!
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