Linsay

Same as my dad, he's in the RFA - almost every year his tax is repaid if he is out of the country for over 180 days
As far as i'm aware, if you are more than 9 miles off the coast, you are classed as out of the country - hence why it's reclaimed so much

My question is why should he have to pay tax if he's sent out of the country and therefore unable to use the services his tax is paying for?

I work and pay tax, as do the rest of my family - and we are fortunately all healthy and not a drain on any service - so we pay in and take very little out
To my mind, when my dad doesn't pay tax when he hasn't been here to use any services, it's less in the pot for the ones who commit benefit fraud or can't be arsed to get a job


I am glad i rarely do tax work, as it annoys me. This country takes more than enough from people who've worked hard all their lives and made something of themselves as it is - inheritance tax is very unfair at the moment in my opinion.. Taxing people away from their homes and families serving this country - a complete joke

rs shawn

All I've seen you do is hob-nob with celebs and own expensive cars. You can obviously afford to pay tax and not worry about it.

However, if you were getting shot at in a forgeign country as part of your normal job would you expect any extra danger money?
Or to pay for services back in the UK that you did not have any access or benefit from ?
Not to mention what happens afterwards to families and income if these people are killed in the line of duty.

Remember the term "soldiers" does not just include army front-line, this is ALL services in all trades and all ranks. People like admin and techies who I'm pretty sure felt fairly safe knowing they are normally a few 1000miles from the front-line, now getting selected to be drivers and escorts as well as their primary trade aspects right up there at the sharp-end.

And I state again: IF things got really bad in the UK, I guarantee people who are now moaning would be at the front of the queue asking why our armed forces are not protecting the UK from the bad guys.
You winge about the govt giving something back to the forces personnel so they can have some good degree of living standards for their contribution to OUR country yet would want their help as soon as iyou felt unsafe.

big_wig_074

the latest tax break is a joke!i would be insulted by it!!!!the government says it wants to give you a helping hand while you put your life on the line,the bonus for potentially dying?20 something pounds a month?you must be fucking joking!!!id rather it wasnt offered tbh!im not in the military anymore as its shit,but i really feel for the lads serving overseas with better equipped american troops who all dont pay taxes on tours!

S1rst

I really cant believe some people on here, some of you should really be ashamed of yourselves with whats been posted on here.

I really cant think of a job that compares to a soldiers job. How many others put their lives on the line in their job? Yes there are many jobs where people help others, but how many help others whilst risking their own life, the most important thing in the world.

Whether they should pay tax or not is not the issue in my opinion. What i do know is that they should get more take home pay, whether this be through a decent pay rise or to be tax-free.

Just think where we would be today without these people putting their lives on the line.

PastyKing

AMEN to that,
there is some seriously fucking selfish attitudes in this thread
forces personnel around the world risking their lives and people are saying they dont deserve something extra

Lee Reynolds

No ones comparing it to the forces. What im saying is it is a job, a job they CHOOSE to do...this isnt national service anymore those days are gone. Like i say they deserve a good wage for what they do, but to not pay tax is wrong. They earn money, then they put their bit in the pot...end of.

Lee Reynolds

Seem to be crossing subjects here. We are talking about income tax not appreciation. I think the lads and lasses in the forces do a cracking job and wholy deserve more money for doing so. They should be housed better when over here too. They have my full respect, and pride as our forces are the best...about the only thing Britain hads actually got left to be proud of.

But everyone who earns money should pay tax. It doesnt matter what services ANYONE uses, they should pay tax.

Mr Orange

When on active service in another country they should not pay tax.

when back in this country they should pay tax.

they should get a pay rise as i can earn more than they do part time as a lifeguard!

to compensate for the cash "loss"

easy. how many people who are on the dole could hold down a job?
but choose not to through sheer laziness. people with a physical imparement that means they cannot work is fine,

they scum who milk the benefits system should have the cash cut by 50% after 3 months, then 50% again each month thereafter.

see unemployment drop like a lead ballon if that was put in practice when they all see they can only get about £10 a week or even less

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

it's a bit of a wierd one...... why give us a tax rebate, just pay us more....... all comes from the same pot anyway....

Ahh, but that makes the budget look big, just give tax back instead and it looks like we are doing them a favour, and only when on ops....

Fucked up really

RANJ

ITS A JOB - AGREE A DIFFICULT ONE - BUT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING UP FOR- PAY YA WAY LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON I SAY

I PAY ENOUGH TAX TO KEEP THE DOLE DOSSERS/IMMIGRANTS ETC ETC HOUSED SO WHY CANT THEY

gareth589

Well just read this with varied views. I serve with a Commando Unit and have completed various tours.
Have been away from my family formonths on end, watch close friends killed by insurgents hell bent on killing us at the first given chance.

We join the forces at out own free will and its our call, but look at the overall situation, in afgan and iraq, these battles have raged for more years than I care to remember.
The reason we are there is because our Goverment orders us.

The Service Guys and Girls that are on this site will tell you whats its like, my last tour even when we were kipping your have bullets flying over you motars going off and so much more shit going on.
Then you have to see some pretty bloody sites, like kids blown to bits, and so much more stuff that really fucks you up, but you have to deal with it and push on.

So as for all the people that think we dont deserve it, spend a day in the conditions we endure out there and see what your feelings are after.
I am the first to agree when we are home, we should pay our taxes like any other person and abide by this.

People mention our emergency services, they provide a job to the likes of us all, but as people say, they choose to do this line of work so it setting double standards and we could say the same for them.
The job they do day in day out is second to none, and one could say that no money is worth some of the jobs they do, like dealing with a rta on a road where young children have been killed.

You have to be a secial kind of person to do the jobs we do and have to accept we dont want to be posted, i would far rather be at home watching my daughter grow up, take her first steps and enjoy being around my family and friends, instead of fearing for my life and that of my unit, when i have crazy fools strapped with bombs waiting to blow them up and you as you drive past.

So to those that get all jumped up Balls to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rog

iTrader: (2)

I think they should pay tax, i know it a shitty and dangerous profession, but as already stated above it's a chosen one. A decicion that should be taken VERY seriously when signing up, especially the possibility of ending up in a war zone at some point in your career seems to be guaranteed lately!
I'm sorry if you do not agree, but this is a public forum and disucssion so that's what it's all about i guess.

Continue..............

gareth589

Thats Correct, its about freedom of speech, and we are all allowed to express our concerns.

rs shawn

Problem is Lee, if you are on detachment abroad YOU DO NOT USE and are INCAPABLE OF USING THE SERVICES YOU ARE PAYING FOR.

Plus!
Let's not forget:

Which basically says "ANYONE (military or non-military) who works abroad for more than 182 days (6 months continuous) in one year is TAX EXEMPT for that period".

So it's kind of what people are entitled to anyhow no matter what job they do. I think the govt are using it as a way of making themselves look better by "giving something back".

Littlenewt2067

I have just read through this topic and cant believe some peoples attitudes? I have been old bill for nearly 16 years and spent all of this on the street in a busy seaside town with all the crap that nearby london sends our way. I also work with a lot of guys (and girls) who have served in the armed forces previously.

I certainly wouldn't group Fire, Police etc in this arguement, we do a job that can be dangerous but it is nothing like serving abroad, some of you keyboard warriors should think about what you type before pressing the submit button........I see you as the sort of people that shout "C*nt" when I walk or drive past but when I come over to speak to you, are too scared to admit it....spineless.......

Oh and £3700 for a broken nose?....I think someone is telling porkies there or there is a lot more to the story!!!

Lee Reynolds

Thats what i said isnt it? It doesnt matter what services you do use or dont use. If you are a permanent resident of the uk wether working at home or out of the country then you should pay tax. Im all for you lot getting better housing and more money, id rather it go to you lads than to the imigrants, but you still should pay tax.

Lee Reynolds

So, someone asks a question saying do you think soldiers should be taxed, people answer and give their views, and because they dont all agree with YOU they are spineless and keyboard warriors????
Reality check required

rs shawn

No, you said you should pay tax no matter what.
I said why should you pay tax when you are not able to use those services. If you are incapable of using something, why should you have to pay for it ??
Agree you should pay when you are back in the UK, but not when you aren't.

Lee Reynolds

rs shawn


Theres some services that other people will never use in their life. There are people that go through life and never have an operation, but then some people may have several costing hundred of thousands of pounds....off the state. Its how it goes. You earn, you get taxed, its how it works.

rs shawn

Hmm..cross wires on that one.
I meant for Council Tax purposes on that one.
That pays your part toward poilce, fire, bin emptying, etc.
As much as these are needed, when you are detached abroad the house becomes a single-person entity - therefore single-person council tax should be paid.

As for Income Tax, your points are valid apart from the fact that EVERYONE who works abroad for 6 months or more is ENTITLED to non-tax payments to the UK govt.
Meaning if you worked away for 6 months, you would be entitle to it.
Would you claim for taxes back when the time came? Course you would. you, me and everyone else: as that is what you would be entitled to. Same thing reference the forces. Doesn't matter what you use now, in the past or in the future. It is an allowance you are legally allowed to be re-imbursed on.
Why take that away from 1 sector of workers ??

Littlenewt2067

I thought i gave my view/opinion.....

Dannn

I should pay less tax as I get up early and because I have two old cats!!

danneth

IMO im not fussed if they pay tax or not, they do one hell of a job and some of the stories ive heard well.... , if it gets decided they don't have to pay tax and get there wage doubled ill be fine with that

to anyone in the forces