xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

this is going to be a really stupid question but how many peopl ehave had there car mapped on stage 3 or just set up at a tuner

is it worth spending the money having it mapped ona stage 3 or will it be ok just having it set up

also how long does it take to have a car maped

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Very little to be gained by mapping a YB on 803s and a pretty normal mod config as long as you are running decent modern software.

That said, if your spec is very unusual and you decide to go for a live map, to answer your 2nd question, we can do it for you in one day and would be able to do it week starting 11th. A live map on very large injectors can take a week but could still be done in september no problem.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

Will cost you around Ł500 and may gain you 10-30 bhp over an
off the self chip depending on engine spec etc..

Not worth the bother for the average cossie owner running stage 3
in my opinion unless you are going for a trick turbo.

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

rite ok

at least that could of saved me some money as i was unsure

the spec is just your avearge stage 3 yb

std engine internally
wrc gasket
srud and nut kit
t35.63 ex turb
greens
500 intercooler
breather
exhaust
filter
3 bar
level 8 ecu
just the norm lol

so at what stage would i ned the car to be live mapped then, also stu if i was to go for a coil pack conversion at a later date will it need doing then or is it plug and play, just starting to get back into the cosy seen after 4 years so got a bit of catching up to do

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Wasted spark conversion is plug and play for all YB ecus. No affect whatsoever on the mapping. In stock at all times.

I consider greys the first point at which you really require a live map, and of course everything bigger, such as all the siemens range we currently favour.

Your current setup is begging for 28psi and closed loop IMO.

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

i was thinking of going closed loop but not just yet want to get the car up and running and have set up first

but definitly will be ordering the coilpack conversion soon

is it possible to do the ecu modification and still use dizzy?

reason i ask is if so i caould send the ecu to you before i get the car on the road and when i have teh rest of the cash i can order the bits and get them fitted without the losing the car for a day

Rippers

Mine was mapped by Ahmed at Stage 3 and it made 339bhp and 358lbs of torque on Power Engineerings rollers. It drove beatifully

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

No pal, once converted its wasted spark only im afraid.

cos47

Mine was set-up by Mark@M.A.D its on greens T-34.48 500 cooler it made 349BHP and has got 355LB/ft @ 1.6bar .

Eagle

iTrader: (2)

i need to go and see mark again .. need a bit more power

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

om no worries thanks for the reply

also is the closed loop a diy fit aswell

PewteRS

iTrader: (2)

I saw Mark today with my stage 3 big turbo escos and arrived with 16psi and left with a healthier 26psi. (gotta have a power run now to see what it is making)
Well worth the money

Anonymous

Ive got a map ive done myself on my car that is a "live map" although TBH its not really finished yet (plus im not as good as Stu anyway ), but the bits that ive have done quite thoroughly and im happy with are not really any different to drive than when i run Stu's stage 3 chip, lol

Seems to be a level at which they are REALLY happy on an "off the shelf" chip TBH, especially if its one like Stu's which blatantly has a LOT of hours put into refining it.

So my opinion is, you may as well just run a stage 3 chip from a quality supplier in the first place and not bother with the live map on this spec, and thats coming from someone who is a big fan of live maps!

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

well ive had a email off nms and he told me to get the most of my set up i should be on greys

now i know nms is good at mapping and he is local to me

butas stu mentioned in teh post about closed loop

whcih im intersted in but need to know if thsi is diy or not, i will more than likely have the car mapped by karl anyhow just to be on the safe side
and make sure everything is pot on,

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

Will a off the shelf chip for 400s be ok ?

Mine has a ported head and lower comp (about 7.8.1)

T34.55, 500 intercooler

Steve.

Hope you don't mind Rich

bud-weis

Karl always recommends greys tbh, greens aren't that much bigger than standard so it does give him more scope...

your spec is almost identical to what i had,which was making around 390bhp,peaking at 2.1bar and holding 1.9bar...which would be impossible on greens. although this may be a little aggressive if your car is 4x4.

speak to both and then decide what you want,every tuner will have their own way of delivering what you want

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

hello mate

hows everything going all ok

have you ran the engine in it yet

id go witha live map with yours tbh as its had engine work done as mine is std inernally , i just want to be safe hence asking lol as its going to be an everyday car while i build the saf for sumthing special

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

I agree greys are better than greens by far, or even better are the siemens 55s. Closed loop is the icing on the cake. but you didnt ask about whats best in this topic... you specifically asked about 803s...

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

gresy on a std engine though?

ive always thought greys were for low comp,cammed, 450-500 bhp engines

not std ones lol

if id known this i would of stuck with my gresy as i just got rid and had greens instead

i know closed loop wasnt mentioned but you did reply saying my set up was begging for it that and 28psi lol so got me thinking

so is the closed loop able to to be fited diy and then have it mapped after its done a couple of hundred miles of steady driving

will be using 803s for now and see how it goes later on, just want it to be reliable and safe

bud-weis

they're just an injector,you can run them on any setup you choose provided the mapper is competent.

but there's no point doing something now and changing in the future,you'd be better off deciding now and then sorting it all in one go

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Sorry, i meant you looked confused about Karl suggesting greys when we are all talking about greens, but we were never asked about greys or we would have concurred with Karl. That was my only point.

Anyway, closed loop and greys are all available off teh shelf nowadays, you dont even need to get it mapped live, just checked over by a pro.

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

ill proberbly stick with th egreens then as ive fitted them now and im not going to be buying new greys and fiiting kit as im just wasteing money if i do that too soon

so greys maybe nxt year

bud-weis

this is my point though,if you really think your gonna go greys then get them now! otherwise you'll shell out twice for summat you don't need to.

do it once,do it right as someone else once said

either way it'll be great anyway

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

yes but ive just got rid of my greys and fitting kit to go back to greens as thats what i thought is used for my spec

never even heard of greys on my spec until i got the email off karl



rite

i will stick with greens for now,

stu can i go closed loop with greens? is it worth it

karl recommend me to have a live map as he says theres not much you can do for a set up on a cosworth bar fuel pressure and igntion

which tbh is all i was expecting in a set up anyhow,

Jasesapphy

iTrader: (1)

.63 will be laggy, i am going gunship i reckon if going to NMS, T3 with greens, nice apparently, sell me T34 .48
Esecially for daily driver

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

i had a t3 before and destroyed it within 3 weeks lol, but it was std

when i went to t34 .63 ex i was very happy with it and tvh didnt notice much lag

CossieRich

iTrader: (1)

Greys and a Stu chip set up by Mark. Still on a L6 and an afr of 14.6:1 off boost fuelling. Cant really get much better than that

stonehavencossie

Stu setup the siemens55's and closed loop for me a month ago and im well chuffed

A bit of extra power to play with and fantastic fuel economy

380bhp(ish) on my T34 .55

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Stupid question..............

Could i fit Greys to my already stage 3 enigne? what would a injector swap get me in terms of bhp/ftlbs...........

Obviously then i'd need a live map!

TIFF

I ran greys on a totally standard engine,T34 .63, wrc gasket ect ect ect and it was AWESOME

Do it Rich

Anonymous

Without more boost you would gain nothing, and like you say you then have the expense of another map.

Only worth it if you are going to basically ring the turbo's neck really given the expense of swapping etc.

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Well its on a uprated / hybrid core from Harvey..........

But i see what you mean, i'd need to upgrade to a T38 for any real benifits.

Anonymous

No, you could see benefits on a T34, but only if you wound the boost up too.

bud-weis

Not necessarily no,a T34.63 will push towards 400bhp on a standard engine,preferably with a little headwork to help,but the difference will be the boost you'll run...a spike over 2 bar and holding around 2 bar is possible,which will feel awesome compared to stage 3 (i've done it myself and it was a big difference)

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Always seems a grey ( ) area when it comes to anything over stage 3............

Might be worth a chat with Harvey!

Franco

iTrader: (2)

PS that'll be my Defi fooked then

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

what im worried about is the transmission

my last one couldnt cope with greens and it certainly wont cope with greys lol

just want ot to be reliable as possible, not going to do hard launches anymore

Anonymous

Standard power then, last for ages like that

stonehavencossie

with greys or siemens you could get up to 400bhp on a .63 (i think? ) as said

you dont need a live map

stu does a 1 day custom map with his own chips (dont know if anyone else does this ?)

As far as transmission goes you just have to respect it, no launches etc.
Launching and abusing std transmission with normal stage 3 (circa 350bhp) is still gonna break, even on a standard car at that matter

im running 380 bhp and it has been fine

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Sorry mate Stu's too far for a map, Harvey & Ahmed are much closer...... furthest i'd travel after them would be Karl Norris.