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Old 14-08-2006, 05:19 PM
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Default Urgent help - air con compressor and shims ?

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following on from my air con problem (the magnetic clutch of the compressor has disappeared alone, must have fallen ), i managed, thanks to a miracle, to find the good part at Ford. The problem is, i have the magnetic clutch that goes before the pulley, but don't know how it is attached... and it also comes with shims of various widths (from 0.8 to 1.4 mm) and i don't know which one to use... can anyone help me, and post pics of the disassembled parts and of the compressor so i can fix all this tomorrow?

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Old 14-08-2006, 08:31 PM
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pay for my flight and i'll come over tomorrow and do it for you. could do with a few days in the sun

give me a while and i'll see what i can come up with (if my pc doesn't crash again )
Old 14-08-2006, 08:36 PM
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would be outstanding pal
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does something like this help?



taken from my company's american website http://www.sanden.com/support/servic..._contents.html

your compressor is manufactured by Visteon, that used to be part of Ford, and is probably an FS10 type compressor. try a search around for a service manual on that. it's important to get the gap correct between the clutch parts with the shims

if by the morning you still don't have what you need, i can ask someone within Ford for you
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that's a great help already mate, many thanks !

any idea about the shim width i have to use ?they range from 0.5 to 1.4 mm, i just checked...
Old 14-08-2006, 08:50 PM
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erm... i don't have 21b nor 21a on my car it seems
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you won't have, or 26a and 26b, they're heavy duty options for tractors and stuff.

there's no way i can tell you what shims to use, as you need to assemble the components together until you have the right gap between the 2 friction surfaces (about 0.5mm)
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ok, so the final gap must be 0.5 mm with everything in place ?
that's cool, wasn't aware at all of what distance was needed in the end
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about that, maybe slightly different for the visteon compressors but that will be ok.
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ok, gap now set to 0.5mm thanks to the 0.7mm shim !

now, i tried to start the compressor, but was wondering, is it normal for it not to start because it's empty ? (no "tickle" noise when turning air con on, but of course no gaz yet in the circuit...) Maybe it's a security ?
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exactly. there is a pressure switch with 3 settings:

1) for low pressure that does not allow the compressor to come on if it is not reached

2) for medium pressure to put the fans onto maximum speed

3) for high pressure to cut off the compressor again for safety

if you want to test it, just feed 12v directly to the clutch (not while the engine is running, or you will damage the compressor internally)
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amazing mate, a HUGE thanks for your help, it's been very precious to me !!!
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no problem fella. if i can't provide decent advice on that after doing it for over 10 years, then i'm not much use to anybody
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Brilliant advice Nick.. top work.

Talking of Advice.. see page 20 of this months Fast Ford
(September issue)
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will do at the weekend mate
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