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Old Aug 12, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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Right where to start, i am ahving a prob with a trader on this site which i wont say who yet but want to know if i am out of order?

It all started on the 27th of April when i ordered some car parts sent the money via a cheque. One month later i pm'd him from here and he said he was having probs getting hold of some bits, fair enough i thought carried on waiting it got to two and a half months and i had enough so when he said he would send me my money back i said yes to it. This has not arrived yet either its been over 3 months now and nothing i have pm'd him between 15-20 times and he has replied but with no actions. I got in contact with trading standards about it and they said "if someone does not deliver the goods within 30 days you are entitled to your money back" so i have written a letter to him stating this and i have heard nothing back. Now i will take this all the way to court to get my money back but its hassle for me and him plus he would have to pay for my expenses loss of wages travelling to his area for the court day it will cost him more.

So am i being out of order??? I did not expect this from this man.
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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You are not being out of order AT ALL mate.........

I thought all the traders on this site were 100% genuine.............

Lets wait and here his side of the story shall we.......But tbh if it is as you say it is, then its bang out of order
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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I am not having a go at this bloke at all and all i have heard is good stuff about him but on this occasion he has let me down big time.
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Fair play to you though....As if you have been ignored this long, then this is the only way..

I bet it gets sort asap now
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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sounds like the trader is well out of order, he needs a bit more organisation i think
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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i think if he gets a letter thru his door saying that legal proceedings have started then im betting u will get ur money back within the week.

poor show really, not heard of this from a trader on here b4

hope all is sorted mate a.s.a.p
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You are far from in the wrong mate.

There is only so much time you can wait and wait and wait till, enough is enough.

you seem to have given enough chances to send either the goods or the refund.

You are totally in the right on your account of events.
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bang out of order,name and shame,obviously one of the bed room bandits who probably isnt even registered with the Tax office,
you money should have been returned weeks ago,id this prick still using this site ?? if so he should be banned
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 04:16 PM
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if your NOT going to name and shame you should of left it to pm's m8!

ps if ALL's correct on what you've written then he's out of line!
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Originally Posted by Alvyn
if your NOT going to name and shame you should of left it to pm's m8!
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Agreed, name and shame and lets get it sorted.

There is anly so many chances you can give to somebody.

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let us know who it is bud so no one else gets stung like this
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Originally Posted by peteh
let us know who it is bud so no one else gets stung like this
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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This post is pointless if you arnt going to say who it is

Name them so others dont get the same crap treatment
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Originally Posted by Pete,RS Specialists
bang out of order,name and shame,obviously one of the bed room bandits who probably isnt even registered with the Tax office,
you money should have been returned weeks ago,id this prick still using this site ?? if so he should be banned
If this guy is using the site then why ban him? If he is banned then there is no chance that it will be resolved any quicker as they wont be able to respond to PM's

Ian has also said that he is a "trader" on this site so i am assuming that they paid the same way as you Pete with a company cheque. As Stu's post says at the top of this page:

The Prefered method of payment is business Cheque (NOT personal cheque)
Any person running a business will not be "one of the bed room bandits" as you like to call them.

i have PM'd Ian to see if he would like me to have a word with this trader as we dont want to tarnish all the traders on here with the same brush.

The trader will not be named and shamed if we get a successful resolution to this problem.
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Originally Posted by Adrian
Originally Posted by Pete,RS Specialists
bang out of order,name and shame,obviously one of the bed room bandits who probably isnt even registered with the Tax office,
you money should have been returned weeks ago,id this prick still using this site ?? if so he should be banned
If this guy is using the site then why ban him? If he is banned then there is no chance that it will be resolved any quicker as they wont be able to respond to PM's

Ian has also said that he is a "trader" on this site so i am assuming that they paid the same way as you Pete with a company cheque. As Stu's post says at the top of this page:

The Prefered method of payment is business Cheque (NOT personal cheque)
Any person running a business will not be "one of the bed room bandits" as you like to call them.

i have PM'd Ian to see if he would like me to have a word with this trader as we dont want to tarnish all the traders on here with the same brush.

The trader will not be named and shamed if we get a successful resolution to this problem.
I know of a trader who pays with a totally different cheque which is given to him by his boss which has nothing to do with selling car spares,now you you me thats right BUT he gets away with it
and yes the trader should be named as its wrong what he has done,I wonder how you would feel if it was your money
also should be banned treating people like this
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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You do right mate....the only thing you have done wrong is not named them....tell us who it is so no one else gets the bad treatment...
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I am waiting for a reply back from Ian to see if he want me to intervene on behalf of PF as he is a trader on this site.

As he is a trader on this site then the web admin will decide on the next course of action.

If he is banned for treating people like that then he has only himself to blame, in the same way that people are banned for being foul and abusive towards other PF members be they traders, gold members or non gold members.
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Originally Posted by Adrian
Originally Posted by Pete,RS Specialists
bang out of order,name and shame,obviously one of the bed room bandits who probably isnt even registered with the Tax office,
you money should have been returned weeks ago,id this prick still using this site ?? if so he should be banned
If this guy is using the site then why ban him? If he is banned then there is no chance that it will be resolved any quicker as they wont be able to respond to PM's

Ian has also said that he is a "trader" on this site so i am assuming that they paid the same way as you Pete with a company cheque. As Stu's post says at the top of this page:

The Prefered method of payment is business Cheque (NOT personal cheque)
Any person running a business will not be "one of the bed room bandits" as you like to call them.

i have PM'd Ian to see if he would like me to have a word with this trader as we dont want to tarnish all the traders on here with the same brush.

The trader will not be named and shamed if we get a successful resolution to this problem.
so the next person has to wait another 3-4 months until they come on here again, threaten to name and shame, the the trader sends them there money back, NO THANKS i don't want to be the next victim

How stupid is that
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Who is it If all is correct that you have said then yes, he's well out of order
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Ian obviously doesnt want to name and shame in case it all goes to court.

This post can then be used against him, or anyone else, that comes out with slanderous remarks.

Could effectively bring the site down, then what?

If Ian wants to PM me the trader concerned then we, as a webteam, can get in touch and see whats going on and find out why he hasnt either sent him good or returned his money.

This may all end up with the trader concerned having his trade status revoked from this site.

All the people who are concerned on this post can PM Ian as well to find out who this trader is so then no one else will get there fingers burnt.

I detest posts like this as it always ends up with people seeking the other persons blood.

What if the trader is Mike Rainbird (using Mike as an example here as I know it wouldnt be him) then what?
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Originally Posted by Adrian
Ian obviously doesnt want to name and shame in case it all goes to court.

This post can then be used against him, or anyone else, that comes out with slanderous remarks.

Could effectively bring the site down, then what?

If Ian wants to PM me the trader concerned then we, as a webteam, can get in touch and see whats going on and find out why he hasnt either sent him good or returned his money.

This may all end up with the trader concerned having his trade status revoked from this site.

All the people who are concerned on this post can PM Ian as well to find out who this trader is so then no one else will get there fingers burnt.

I detest posts like this as it always ends up with people seeking the other persons blood.

What if the trader is Mike Rainbird (using Mike as an example here as I know it wouldnt be him) then what?



sorry but IF it was Mike then what you are saying treat him different

that's why I said if your not willing to name then DONT start a post
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Originally Posted by Adrian
I am waiting for a reply back from Ian to see if he want me to intervene on behalf of PF as he is a trader on this site.

As he is a trader on this site then the web admin will decide on the next course of action.

If he is banned for treating people like that then he has only himself to blame, in the same way that people are banned for being foul and abusive towards other PF members be they traders, gold members or non gold members.
tell you what lets just wait for the next person to get ripped off then,do you seriously think hes going to pay the money back,3 months the lads been waiting and 20 odd PMs and a letter,what do you think your going to do to tempt him to pay ??
banned the fooker and name him people like that shouldnt be allowed to trade on here
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Originally Posted by Alvyn
Originally Posted by Adrian
Ian obviously doesnt want to name and shame in case it all goes to court.

This post can then be used against him, or anyone else, that comes out with slanderous remarks.

Could effectively bring the site down, then what?

If Ian wants to PM me the trader concerned then we, as a webteam, can get in touch and see whats going on and find out why he hasnt either sent him good or returned his money.

This may all end up with the trader concerned having his trade status revoked from this site.

All the people who are concerned on this post can PM Ian as well to find out who this trader is so then no one else will get there fingers burnt.

I detest posts like this as it always ends up with people seeking the other persons blood.

What if the trader is Mike Rainbird (using Mike as an example here as I know it wouldnt be him) then what?



sorry but IF it was Mike then what you are saying treat him different

that's why I said if your not willing to name then DONT start a post
dont matter a fook who it is whats right is right 3 months to keep a guy waiting is a joke,the guy has been far more then reasonable waiting this long
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Originally Posted by Alvyn
Originally Posted by Adrian
Ian obviously doesnt want to name and shame in case it all goes to court.

This post can then be used against him, or anyone else, that comes out with slanderous remarks.

Could effectively bring the site down, then what?

If Ian wants to PM me the trader concerned then we, as a webteam, can get in touch and see whats going on and find out why he hasnt either sent him good or returned his money.

This may all end up with the trader concerned having his trade status revoked from this site.

All the people who are concerned on this post can PM Ian as well to find out who this trader is so then no one else will get there fingers burnt.

I detest posts like this as it always ends up with people seeking the other persons blood.

What if the trader is Mike Rainbird (using Mike as an example here as I know it wouldnt be him) then what?



sorry but IF it was Mike then what you are saying treat him different

that's why I said if your not willing to name then DONT start a post
I used Mike as an example as I know Mike doesnt trade like that. But if it were Mike then I wouldnt treat him any differently to whoever it is.

In fact, I would pay Ian back out of my own pocket as I know I would get the money back out of Mike.
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I used Mike as an example as I know Mike doesnt trade like that. But if it were Mike then I wouldnt treat him any differently to whoever it is.

In fact, I would pay Ian back out of my own pocket as I know I would get the money back out of Mike.[/quote]

I know you was using Mike as an example only but because Ian has posted the post EVERYONE in their right mind WILL want to know so they DONT get the same greif!


ps IF this trader gets named there'll be loads of people to say "well I have never had a prob and CAN vouch for him here it loads on here doesn't help the 1 person that's got the trouble though!
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Why are you trying to cover for whoever it is?

Someone else will be bitten next and that fundamentally is now in your hands and now could be classed as your responsibility adrian as you have now opted to take charge of the situation......................LOL
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There is somthing not quite right here

The trader deserves to be named and shamed ,

Why was this post started ???????

why cant the passionford members be protected against things like this ??? I thought thats why we had passionford official trader systems to try to show the members that the traders were good people , I know PF cant be responsible for traders actions but people should be allowed to name traders who have done them wrong or whats the point in the Official PF traders system

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Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
but people should be allowed to name traders who have done them wrong
Err, aye. He is allowed to name him...he just hasn't...
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 06:30 PM
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My view is, If you dont name the dodgy trader then EVERY trader on here is a suspect which isnt fair on the legit ones
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Then why bother with the post :and exactly ,,people may suspect the wrong trader
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Totally agree with Paul here something smells a little fishy, maybe its a high profile trader and politics have got involved.......
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Originally Posted by JoeE30
Totally agree with Paul here something smells a little fishy, maybe its a high profile trader and politics have got involved.......
Agreed...... Lets wait for this topic to be either closed or moved and we are none the wiser.....
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OH here we go
before you all start on me let me explane
he orderd a kit of me in april with some recon brembos i could make a kit up with
i said i need to get a type of rotor of godspeed for the price quoted
i tryed for 4 weeks to get intouch with him but to know evail
i offerd the lad his money back as i not spent anything as yet with his money
he said he deffo wanted a kit so i went lookin for some other rotors cheaper
i got some BRAND NEW aps for Ł285 and made some NEW BELLS TO SUIT then before i got bells back from polishing i was taken ill into hospital for 3 weeks very badly ill nearly had anther brain thing unable to walk due to my leg that badly swallon
anyway i then got a back and was signed off work for 4 weeks i was very ill not being ablle to work only at weekend when my mate gave me a hand
then he told me its been so long he wanted his money back
i told him no beacuse i just spent Ł350 of his money on parts for him only
i offerd to sell the aps and you can see in the for sale sectoin i not making this up
i offerd him the money left over back and the new bits to him
thats bells rotors brand new aps Ł350 plus the Ł300 i own him
he refused sayin am in the wrong i told him he can have his cash in full when parts are sold i even tryed to sell the full kit a few weeks ago on here go look cheap 330 kit for sale
due to heath resons i am not longer trading as zoo and the 2nd hand parts i was selling were personal not anything to do with zoo
i still offering the same Ł300 back and rest when sold i have bought parts on his intruscton so there his parts
anybody that knows ap stuff will know Ł285 for 2 brand new 330 28mm rotors is very cheap hence why i bort them retail there nearly Ł500 a pair
what else can i do
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EDITED!!!!
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Well there we go, the Trader has answered with his side of things. So, shall we still "Ban the prick"...?
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Always two sides to a story....
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Just for the record, I NEVER knew who the trader was, Ian hasnt come back to me.



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