Versus_Creations

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Thought id ask here if anyone has one or used one?

Ryan

not me,

but Alan s1 has one i believe.

he can give you some info.

not too keen on the blue

SteveB

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Is it too good to be true at under £100......

Versus_Creations

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thats what i thought?

GARETH T

how cheap

dave cos4x4

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cheap considering all the veiws.

CJBear

Are they sensors/ plugs at end of the wires? im shocked you think £100 for a bundle of wires is cheap, i cant get why?

Ginge !

you ever tried building a loom and making a resonable profit from it,,,,,,, its not a item you sell 30 a week rememeber and i know i wouldnt make one for 100 notes to sell as a business idea

GARETH T

would you buy all the parts and spend your time making one for 100 quic,,, i know i wouldnt

CJBear

so what you saying low volume sales = high price becuase it takes a little while to bundle some wires up?

Sticky.

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IIRC the seller had to buy 30 looms from the USA or something on that lines and each loom owes him £300. He's making a loss on each one which is pretty stupid if you ask me. He should have put a reserve on each one he's old.

SapphyMike

its quality of work etc too.

for instance my brothers car has had a dingy loom fitted, and the workmanship will be top class.

well worth the money, especially as he fitted it too.

GARETH T

CJBear

ok mate,, heres a deal,,, you make one to a good standard and ill buy it off you for 100 quid

the rules,,,,

ill pay you the money in full once im happy with the quailty of your work!
no second hand parts are allowed to be used


hows that for a deal?

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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PMSL

If only it was that easy !

Ryan

anything under £150 is fookin cheap!

If the workmanship is good.

not too kean on the colours choices.

i would never ever ever sell a loom that cheap, my business would fall flat on its face after the first week and huge losses.

CJBear

Am i the only one who sees commanding £100+ for a bundle of wires and plugs crazy?

Gareth T - give me a wiring diagram (something to copy from), list of plugs an adapater needed; I try make one up and i will absorb the costs myself im determined it is that cheap to do.

GARETH T

so i give you all the information aswell,, which normally would tkae MY time up if i was making one!

time is money my friend

SapphyMike

oh how foolhardy

you have to purchase hundreds of the connectors in one go, as there isnt the money it for the supplier to see you 1 or 2.

it'll cost you hundreds, and for what, to prove a point to users of an internet forum who you dont know

CJBear

I dont mind taking up a light hearted challange, really if its going to cost me anything like the prices thrown around i will admit defeat an eat some humble pie.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Sorry mate,

You obviously havent got a clue how the electronics business functions.

Even after a comment by such a loom maker on this very thread saying
it couldnt be done that cheap.

Not having a go at you but if you buy the connectors, wire and factor in a
the minimum wage for your time spent making it then it would cost you
much more than £100.

If you make one and the quality is good, I will buy it no problem.
Then I would sell it for at least £200 pounds profit easy.

Bring it on

Ryan

if you make one for less than a hundred quid please let me see it in the flesh and i'll employ you myself.

just out of interet how much wire do you think is in an ECU loom?

and have you any idea what the connector, boots and terminals cost?

and im not talking cheap variations either.

dojj

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i know someone who makes looms as a bit of a hobby
with "YOU" supplying the loom he makes it plug and play for £200

CosRush

Just one thing..............

"IT WILL FIT 2 AND 4 WHEEL DRIVE MODELS AND COMES COMPLETE WITH FULL DETAILED WIRING DIAGRAMS."
surely not......the TPS would be wrong

SapphyMike

depends - if you specify first what car the loom is going on, im sure you'd get the correct one

he may even ask for this info before sending your loom

CJBear

SECS
true i aint got a clue

Ryan
no offense had no idea you made looms

excluding labour costs, surely 15 metres wire, dozen connectors and some protective wrap should cost less than £100 ?

SapphyMike

cjbear,

you are forgetting that you cannot just buy the connectors you want to use.

you will have to buy them in a job lot.

THE RADMAN

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i saw this as well and asked for pics of the connectors as i cant see it fitting an esc cos due to oil pressure sender etc,but he never bothered sending any

Ryan

15m

closer to 100m in an ECU loom.

3 different sizes.

Also you need screened cable for the Map Sensor, and depending on What ecu also for the CPS and Knock sensor.

Any idea how much an ECU connector is?

Plus 70 odd terminals and the remainding plugs, then boots.

regards the proctive wrap, depends if you want cheap stuff that melts pretty easily or the good stuff, which you can only buy in 100m rolls. opps there goes you budget just on the briad. and you need at least for different size sleevings.

Correct crimping tools?

Heatshrink?

Good quality solder?

Adhesive lined heatshrink?

If you buy in bulk like i do yes you of course you can, but to joe public you wont see any change out of £100 i would imagine.

Ryan

Radman, there probably isnt

The probably isnt wiring for a lambda sensor aswell.

Also it would fit a 3dr unless you moved the ignition amp.

as there in different places aswell.

Also Water temp sensor is in a different position between a 2wd and a 4x4 car, so that would also be in the wrong position.

CJBear

fair enough, genuinely fancied havin a go anything better than daytime tv

Ryan

i was actually looking for an employee, but the mrs said she wanted to do it should the opportunity every present itself.

Eagle

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if you can match what im on at the moment im on me way down .. i knew the c&g qualifications would come in good one day ...

oh and i know how to wire wrap .. correctly admitedly i hate doing it but

kossie

Where is is good to get looms from? for say, a zetec

throttlebodiedzetecturbo

you mean that good quality sleaving that is available from RS supplies in Northampton. You can buy it by thr metre....

GARETH T

do you do all your work for free? can you pop round too my house,,, i need a pool dug

Ginge !

mate can you finish off my cossie too mate as that needs doing if you got a moment

jon@work

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RS sell the polyester sleeving - pretty crap. The proper polyamide sleeving is only available in this country from one source, as far as I've found, on 50+m reels.

Ryan

Yep Doug, cetainly is, and its not even an english prouduct, think its Italian from memory, can't be arsed to walk to the work room and find out though.

But damn its expensive in the larger sizes.

which reminds me, i need to pay there invoice

Anonymous

"a bunch of wires"


Yep, thats all there is to it mate


What a tool

spudmurphy

What sort of money can be earnt working as an employee building looms? I'm looking for a slight career change and am aerospace trained so I know how to loom to high standards just wondering if its a possible avenue to look at....

As for cost of items you want to see the bills for some of the military spec stuff used on aircraft, how about £30-£40 each for some of the smaller plugs, and anything up to £90 for bigger ones

Does anyone that builds looms use idented cables? ie terminal information printed on the wire, or are ends labelled with heat shrink labels?