Tangodeltasierra3

Hi, just read a post on the RSOC boards about Stage1 to 3 chips etc....and some guy said that forget a Stage 3 conversion, the best thing about was a Norris Stage1 Gunship tune, costs around £300 and boosts up to 22psi in mid range. Any one recomend it or argue the toss for the Stage3 over this set up ?

gurnE

Go for the Norris Stage3 Gunship

Staffi

iTrader: (1)

Very good conversion, ask Tiff

So is the stage 3, just depends what you want, i`d go stage 3 myself, but depends on your budget

Tonks

I got a norris stage 3 map and did have the conversation with him about the one mentioned above and he recomended the stage 3 if you have the spec required

Rick

stage 3 is always going to be better - but pricier as you need MAP sensor and injectors.

Karl just ups the fuel pressure on they std injectors to get the fuel, and probably jets the amal valve for mid range boost. Good conversion for the cash

le-claw

pmsl

Does he really

Would take that comment as BS cause rick doesn't actually know what karl does.

Awesome conversion Needs a good engine though

Rick

I don't know, but it won't be far off will it!

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

I recently had a drive in Doug Stirlings run around sapphire cossie
with the NMS stage 1 gunship conversion and I must say I was well
impressed with just how well it went.

le-claw

Fact rick - u don't know so don't comment...simple init

Rick

FFS Steve, i said it was a good converison! Chill out!

le-claw

Am chilled mr shadow....believe me am very chilled today

Your commenting about 3 of my best friends business yet know nothing about it. I am just telling the internet that.

Saw oli's 370bhp road car today to - its awesome

Tangodeltasierra3

Unsure what to doo now as my cars stage1 but i just want a bit more power for now, so i was going to get the "normal" stage 3 set up, jusyt bought an L6ecu with stg3 chip, so looking for greens and 3bar now & maybe a GT32 turbo, but now im thinking Gunship Stg1 and cash left for an Avo kit too lol....

Rick

370 now is it? Fair play - awesome car

Doubt it's his only form of transport though

Remeber back in the day when u bolted some NOS on the old engine. 25 shot wasn't it? Most powerful RST of the day i think wasn't it? Ahead of Chad's 192 @ wheels black car.

le-claw

The s1 is oli's daily drive.

Believe what u will.

Rick

Fair play - lovely car

TIFF

If/When i get another Cosworth, it will have a NMS Stage 1 Gunship conversion............AND THATS IT

It is THE best conversion for a Cossie imho and i dont know anyone that has been out in a car with one fitted that wasnt VERY VERY suprised

Fortunatly me and Pops have an EVO version of this that Karl WILL NOT do for anyone as it was a develpment chip at the time and it allowed Karl to tweak the "Gunship" chip that he now uses

But the Conversion is VERY close to what we had and it is SUPERB

People think they know what Karl does to achive the power/figures that this gets but trust me, it is alot more than people think

If you look in Performance Ford you will see the stats for this conversion in the power write-up in the middle........Compair the figures to cars with a bigger spec

Go for the Gunship

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

I know

( Not wishing to diminish the efforts of Karl in anyway )

Tangodeltasierra3

Sounds conclusive!

Tangodeltasierra3

So what are my options : I have my standard L1 Ecu with Stg1 chip, i also have an L6 Ecu with a Stg3 chip. Could NMS fit a Gunship to my L6 or do i stay L1.

TIFF

Go with the Level 6 ECU as it is a much better unit

RS-Leigh

iTrader: (2)

I was the said 'Guy' along with someone else on there who has the Gunship conversion, and stated performance for the pound then this is a great conversion.

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what i said -

NMS Stage 1 Gunship is the way ahead mate. Normal Stage 1 runs about 15-16 psi boost. Karl will map your car on the road and adjust everything to suit your car. Will boost up to 22-23 psi through the midrange then drop of as the revs get higher, this varies in each gear. This is a far superior set up than buying a stage 1 chip of the shelf.
You do not need to change anything either. If your actuator is working correctly then it won't be changed. Performance for the pound, this is the best conversion money can buy.
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No problem mate.

You won't regret the Gunship. Its nearly as fast as a stage 3 through the gears, its only top end that is reduced.

Let the stage 3 guys pay for uprated turbo's, intercoolers, injectors, actuators, clutch, brakes and the re-map........you pay around £300 and nothing else.....makes sense to me. And you can change back to standard in a matter of minutes.

I have the standard chip in the glovebox.

More people should consider this tune, but there appears to be a fascination with a Stage 3 set-up.

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And I stand by what I said, i was letting this lad know about the Gunship. If you did not believe what i stated then you could habe PM'd me.

At no point did I say forget the Stage 3.

If you read the post, you will see that the guy wants to keep his car as standard as possible.....IMO this is the best route for him to take.

Leigh

Tangodeltasierra3

I'm not disputing what you said, just didn't feel i had to copy your page word for word, in fact i have looked at NMS site before and seen no mention of Gunship at all so i never even knew it existed till i accidentally stumbled across the RSOC post. It's not a case of not believing you, i have got what i hoped i would, and that is a number of favourable responses to back up what you claimed - so thanks!

RS-Leigh

iTrader: (2)

Ok mate, I just read it as if you were questioning what I said and the fact that I did not say forget about the Stage 3.

No problem

Leigh

TIFF

It is on there mate, been there for a few years......

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Taken from the NMS site

Stage 1+ (Gunship Conversion)

This is a recent development of the stage 1 conversion and takes the std engine to an even higher state of performance. This conversion however can only be performed on original engines in excellent health or those which have undergone a complete rebuild. Likewise the turbo must be in excellent condition and preferably be fitted with a 360degree thrust bearing. Again a new "chip" is fitted to the ECU along with a Garret -31 actuator, and suitable plugs fitted and gapped if required. For 2wd cars I advise the fitment of a 4X4 Sapphire Intercooler. Coupled with a full setup and alterations to the mapping as required to suit your car, this allows the car to run in excess of 22psi between 2500rpm and 5000rpm, then dropping to 17psi by 6000rpm and finally tailing to 14psi at the 7000rpm limiter. This setup normally results in around 295bhp/320lbf ft


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Tangodeltasierra3

Cheers Tiff yer a star, can't see for looking mate, just hope my engines healthy enough for Karl.

Staffi

iTrader: (1)

He`ll let you know that dont worry

Shings

A very impressive conversion - realiable, safe, powerfull.

Job done

foreigneRS

sounds good with what i've heard about it over the years i would go for it on my 'ring taxi if it didn't live in germany

does anyone know if it also runs closed loop fuelling for economy?

cossiecrew

karl is the man he did the stage 3 on ours and its fookin awesome

marco polo

iTrader: (1)

gunship rocks mate for what it is , it's the best stage 1 on the market today

Matt

top conversion is this

however tiff i remember thinking yours was slow as bollocks when i got in it straight after getting out of mine when we were mapping

TIFF

Well you would Mr "Engaged" Bell

Got the brake pipes aswell fella....cheers

Tangodeltasierra3

I'm presuming there always busy, just wondering what timescale i could maybe book in, i mailed a query on Friday to them but not had a reply as yet.

cossiecrew

karl will get back to you give him a ring you will not regret it i can tell ya that he is a genuine guy that takes pride in his work you wont find anyone with a bad word to say about him

Matt

growing up happens to us all my friend

i know you did i checked your signature

DAN P

iTrader: (1)

gun ship is very good and goes so well got my m8s car booked in to karl on the 31 st

RS-Leigh

iTrader: (2)

Karl mapped mine with closed loop and set up to pass mot as I still have the CAT's fitted.

There was no extra charge for the closed loop set up.

Leigh

Sticky.

iTrader: (4)

I had Karls Gunship on mine. Fookin superb conversion.

Money well spent

TrevCannon

Why the fcuk is it called gunship...




How fcuking...

SapphyMike

its not gay all!

the car once done absolutely flies, so why not call it gunship?

I dont think NMS Harrier Jump Jet conversion has the same ring to it

I had a slightly different version of the gunship on my old sapph.

ran 4x4 cossie blues and a hybrid T34.

i loved it myself, shame my new cossie has a low comp engine otherwise i'd get it again.