DaveEscos

Deffo imo


just had the m3 down the local bypass....

i think its been de-limited!

wound it up to 170 on the speedo, NO DRAMAS

it just got there, pretty quickly too with no fuss

id deffo put it against a decent stg 3 cossie

Lambchop

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I'll race you NP if you drag you're southern ass up to croft

Terry Tibbs

170 down a bypass.. fuck me

Anonymous

When i was driving john's stage 3 cossie over in germany last year a mate of mine was there in his e46 m3 and they were prety much identical pace

cossie4i+

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Mine is just a bit faster than a M3

But the M3 will last longer

Steve.

charlie luciano

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As above i have raced m3's and done them but its when you are on the motorway having pre-longed racing thats when a m3 will shine and a cossie will melt

C L

neilm

Yeah.. but Dave..

For the money you paid for the Bhan-Stormer.... you wouldnt be up against a Stage III Cossie...

It would be 400-450BHP...


And a 3 door / RS500 / Escort Cossie would get more admiring glances every day of the week....



And just looking at another post....

Perhaps you and Phil could start up a Barn-stormers meet...... in kent.... very near his house......

Anonymous

Staffi

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Spent all that money just to be as quick as a stage 3 cossie

Bet that makes you feel really proud Dave

Jullian

no way could that beat my saph

aduz

Graceland

I heard a rumour from a BMW technician that the early E46 M3's that were limited to 156mph would pass that if you went for it in 5th gear instead of 6th, this was due to the software in the ECU for the limiter not being written properly

RichardPON

I raced a 46 M3 in my old stage 3 saff at the Pod, and we had near identical times........

I'd say easily as fast as a stage 3 saff, with the added benefit of not looking like some pikeyed up twat whilst doing it

UBster

good choice dave, great all round car!

oh and what Pon said

Anonymous

...not good though is it Pon..a 3k shitter as fast as a 40k Beemer

My own M3 is about stage 3 performance 4x4...not as quick as the 2wd though...my ECU is goin to Stu for a chip to raise it to 340bhp..same as the std E46 M3

RichardPON

Yes, but if you had both cars sat in front of you, and you had to choose one to take home with you, and you voluntarily took the cossie..........


....... well it says everything doesn't it.

GARETH T

its not all about how quick is it?

glad your happy with it dave,, i knew you would be! amazing car

Tony Turbo

EXACTLY!!! You, and RichPON have hit the nail on the head, very good cars M3's. It isn't all about straight line performance...

GARETH T

it does make me giggle,,, how fast do people thnk a lamborgini gallardo is? 500BHP cossie fast?

must be gutted for buying the lambo REAL gutted

Anonymous

Thing is though Gareth my M3,348 and XJR feel very lathergic compared to my Saff...which is really odd to me majority think you have to have production high end cars to go fast WRONG very wrong

RWD_cossie_wil

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but you can't beat the look on a ferrari/porsche/BMW/Insert overpriced snobs brand here/ owners face when they get taken to peices by an F plate sierra It amazes me how many people on here are slating cossies I thought it was called passion ford, not hateford

Cossies were always and will always be about cheap power- no one is saying that they are as well built/exclusive as a lot of cars out there, but how easy are cossies to work on? hlaf the attraction of a cossie for me is that I can do 99% of the work on it myself, and learn how it all works

Jullian

well said mate

BMW = pipe and slipper poser

RichardPON

Same here mate - that's why I bought my first saff.

I wanted a car that was very fast and cost very little.

Now we're all getting older, some of us have started to "grow up", and want the same performance, but with none of the drawbacks of owning something like a saff cossie.

Yes, the cossie may be faster on the motorway from 70-140, but that's not where it's at for me and a lot of other people anymore.

I like my cars to go round corners, and the BM will make the cossie look more than slightly out of its depth. Couple that with the looks, the badge, the stigma, the state of a lot of people who drives saffs (e.g ) and the reasons to choose something like a saff cossie over an M3 are still limited to straight line performance.

Andreas

e36 would struggle though, raced one last summer and I started in second so he got a head start but I ate that up, missed the gear change going to 3rd but once in third I gained fast again. Would still love to have a m3 as a daily driver.

costina

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I was behind one back from combe last year, should have seen his face


mind u i was in my cortina


and it was very hot !!!!!!!!!!

Rick

It's interesting about the badge. Round Cheshire/manchester you say u have an m3 and it won't raise an eyebrow - as they are everywhere. Say cossie, or even RS - people are always really interested and want to know more. I probably haven't seen a cosworth in 3 months apart from when going to cheshire meet - u never see them. i'm always getting asked about my lowly s2 in petrol stations etc - last time was a guy in an X5 who wanted to buy it lol.

AndyRST

Dave would like to see your M3 against Tony's or Christians RST, i reckon it would be a very close thing ............




















Until the 1st corner

EIL132

Strange that, I was up the arse of an E46 yesterday coming back from knockhill and he certainly wasn't getting away

Anonymous

At the end of the day the E46 and E36 (with a superchip) are around the same BHP!

Rick

what's the difference in the engines?

wimwerf

why do people think cossies have bad road performance...

why do people think cossies are only fast in straight line...

most of them are modified with new shocks, bushes..springs...

i think a modified cossie with the things ive mentioned isnt slower in a corner then an m3...

Anonymous

Sorry to hear you are growing up Richard within 6 months you will be sticking to speed limits & calling the RS crew Chavs.
Im 60 & still prefer the Saff to an M3. Had a e30 M3 evo on my drive & it was a nice car to drive, but didnt compare in any way to my Saff even round corners.
Tartan rugs can be bought cheaply these days & theirs a spare slot on Grumpy old men.
Rod
ps. I will post on my Saga mags.

Staffi

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@ Rod

COSSIE 1

my e36 non evo m3 put out 337bhp and stayed with and passed e46 m3s all day long......the car sat in the garage and was never driven as i was shit scared to park it etc, i sold it last yr and have just purchased a k plate 4x4 saph as its not just the power its the RS scene that i love

cos jon

Don't forget speedo error, 170mph on speedo is about 158mph so its about right.........

I've seen a few black M3 this weekend, look stunning in the sun.......

RichardPON

LOL - I already DO call the RS crew chavs, as too many of them are!

Bottom line is, if you're corner orientated, out the box, the M3 will be spectacular in the right hands (i.e. not Dave's ) on track, against the cossie which will be average.

You only have to do an RS track day to see the ones having the most fun are generally the lowly powered RS1800s and the like that have to really hustle their cars, or the cars that are setup well, handle well, or slide well.....

Rod - your is different as it's a project car and a one-off. We're referring to daily drivers for fast road use....... and even an E36 has something like a saff cossie licked pound for pound.....

DaveEscos

been out in it again... with the ACS mode switched on.. and sport.. this will mash a stg 3 escos with EASE

Phil, get your new remap and ill meet you on the M2..... showdown

Mike Rainbird

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I would have loved to have my old Stage III Sapphire in 343bhp format (Grp A T3), where it had the brakes, rear beam and 380lb ft of torque. Your arse (as it usually IS ) would be mine on road, track or Santa Pod . In 385bhp format, you wouldn't even have seen which way I had gone .

Rippers

It may feel faster it won't be thou...

Tony Turbo

No point, I already know the outcome of my RST Vs M3 in a straight line