Keith B

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

Pentagon plane crash footage released............

Although after all this time they could have faked it using some airfix models, white spirit and alien DNA

EIL132

Bubble, burst

89xr2

The conspiracy theorists would have a point if they claimed it was fake because tbh I could film that

Adam_BlackRS

Why was ALL the CCTV footage near by taken away by the FBI within minutes of the attack ??

The photo's taken after the "plane" crashed shows a 16ft hole...... and thats it. No wing, tail or engine damage to the building.

Also, where was all the debris from the plane ??? They said most of it was vaporized in the explosion....Yet they managed to identify 184 people out of 189 or something like that

Fiddy

theres still a lot more to spetember 11th than meets the eye.

Adam_BlackRS

Has anyone watched "911 Loose Change 2nd Edition" ? Verrrrrrrrrry interesting

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

paul16v

Even from watching that vid it looks like a missile imo, if you pause it at the rite time you can just make out the front of it looks fook all like a plane

CabbyRS

deffo missile

not this bollox cover up

Steve200+

(for some reason) I've spent countless hours reading any available material available on the net and elsewhere, and despite the pisstaking, I'm happy to admit that I personally don't believe the whole story is told.

Too many documented things just genuinely don't tie up, and looking at it all, you can draw some quite sinister conclusions.

Ryan

IMO it was a sacrafise made, to prevoke the war on terrarism in the US's favour.

i.e they've struck us, time to strike back.

(Think the term is "acceptable losses")



Also im sure your aware that every plane is tracked and its exact location is known, dont you think United Airlines would have down something about the flight 93 that went off course.

i mean it was off course for about an hour before it crashed. im sure f16's would have been scrambled in 15 mins tops.

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Ryan

when they dont give a fuck its called Collateral Damage

got both vids on dvd where the fook did the plane engines VANISH TO

because they the could not melt with the heat in the fire

Steve200+

I'll say it once, and once only

Tower one, high-octane jet fuel spills down the main support structure and melts it (fair enough). Tower collapses.
Tower two, most fuel spills down the side of the building, and tower collapses within 1/2 an hour of the first one.

Most simple and convincing argument for it.

Watch the towers' demolition, they collapse in the same way, despite very different circumstances.

Fiddy

i got a dvd rip of it, very good.

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and the cia tower fell because of what .. please elaborate

Adam_BlackRS

In that video, it explains the "Melting and softening" steel...... Its impossible that the fuel of the plane melted or soften the steel because the fuel wasn't a constant flow and would of burnt off in 40 seconds.

Even eye witnesses and fire fighters mention seeing flashes and bangs like explosives going off as the building fell

Oh, and what happened to all the gold below the towers ???

Steve200+

Agreed, but taking what the news tells you, that's the most convincing argument...

One particular demolitions expert was on CNN within 5 hours or so, pointing out the destruction pattern of the towers, and saying that it was definitely a controlled explosion, there was no way it was caused by planes, even pointed out where you could see the charges would be held.

Never appeared again, that report I've never seen shown again, and he is now retired. He was only late-30's ish.

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Adam_BlackRS

the gold fucked off on the train you know it and so do i

Steve200+

Fuck the Gold, let's talk oil

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Steve200+

there was a awefull lot of gold on that train

Adam_BlackRS

The bit that made me chuckle was the bit about one of the terrorists passport was found on the street after the "plane" had crashed into the building.......

Oh and the fact that 9 of the 18 terrorist have been spotted since 911

Phil (",)

mmmm

Steve200+

Sorry guys, Loose Change is a bit too sensationalist for me, it draws too many random conclusions. *ducks* lol

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Steve200+

where did the black boxes vanish to "actually there orange"

HOW MANY WHERE FOUND

i rest my case

Steve200+

lol

I'm agreeing. The whole thing was a handy excuse to start a war, America's spoiled child decided it wanted more.

The facts are there, and doubtless, like JFK, it's going to be another 50 years of conjecture and analysis when everybody knows what really happened.

It just really fucking annoys me. There's enough violence in the world without the US manufacturing a bit more.

Steve200+

I've watched the docu again so I can fit in 3 out of 4 were recovered, but the contents were unusable. Admittedly, they're build to withstand a lot, but everything has limits. It is genuinely entirely possibly that they're fooked! If you take the conjecture away from Loose Change, you're not left with an amazing amount of fact, and it completely ignores the politics.

There's loads available on the net that far surpasses LC, and can be backed up with fact. Not being a twat or owt, but you'll be amazed what's out there if you go poking around on the Net.

Fastmaul

Oh boy, here we go again...

I'll guess I'll just stay quiet.

SimonT

That aint no fucking plane!!!

RichardPON

Fact? Who needs fact when conjecture is far more appealing!

Have you EVER, in your life, heard a conspiracy theorist turn round and say, "Er, sorry guys, we got that one wrong" ?

Most conspiracy nuts are far too far from being impartial to provide any kind of reasoned argument.

The'll say "the buildings don't fall like that", but their only experience of planes crashing into buildings is the same as yours and mine - fuck all. Personally, I've no idea what happens in that situation, and it's pure arrogance to suggest otherwise.

Personally, I'm know there's plenty of behind the scenes politics, financial issues, corruption etc, but where's the plane if not slamming into the building?

Andreas

Strange how the plane hit the building at almost no angle at all. I mean its litterary sniffing the ground instead of coming in from above. This video just add more questionsmarks lol.

Stavros

The conspircay people do seem to read more into it than you can physicly see.

But the people who dont believe anything dodgy could go on also cant see whats staring them in the face.

A lot (hell of a lot) of dodgyness involves the whole thing that day, some of which is glaringly dodgy (most of which has been mentioned already), but what it all is, well, i dont care enough to look into it

SPADGE

I blame Phil and Chip

BlueSmoke

Here we go again

Really wanna watch that vid but can't at work. I have no time for those that seek to discredit everything just because they have a personal vendetta against a government or individual.

Now stuff that actually uses and references fact, now that is the kind of thing I will acknowledge. There's too much gets said by people that don't have a clue, but if it's what certain people want to hear then they cling to it like it's gospel!

I remember reading an interview with some "expert" who explained that the buildings fell the same way because the crashes caused floors at the top to fall down onto the floors under them. The building concertina'd (sp?) because as the floors dropped onto the one below, it gave, as did the next one, and the next one and so on.

Maybe they blew it up, maybe they didn't. We might never know....

SteveT

LOL, how on earth is that video going to dispel any conspiracy theorys about the pentagon incident. Its only going to fuel them

I must admit I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I don't see anything that looks like a fucking huge Boeing 757 there. The resulting damage does seem to match up, and where is the 757 wreckage?

It's hardly convincing evidence either way - perfect for the conspiracy lot and perfect for the believers. LOL!

steve

Graham S1

You forgot WTC7.

ryan_belfast

This is the best 9/11 Video released...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86145&q=9%2F11

FACTS FACTS FACTS

ALL FACTS!!!

frog

Saw it twice on TV this morning, and couldn't quite see a plane there, but then again it's really fast so not much you can see.

I can't however imagine any government or authority releasing a video that's not conclusive proof of no wrong doing

SimonT

excellent viewing that!

ryan_belfast

Thank you sir

MWF

Wasn't that CCTV footage released ages ago? I certainly remember watching it a long time ago.

SimonT

yeah there was only 4 frames release if i remember correctly.

Now theres about 12 which still show fuck all!