benZVHT

Bit of a random question but I have an M3 & a 1.8ZVHT Fiesta (220BHP & 212 lb/ft torque) Which do you think would be quicker over 1/4 mile??
I've had both over a year & cant tell which is faster! Fiesta feels fast with all the noise etc & being smaller. Mates say Evo is def quicker & it's just cuz I got soft spot for fezza.
Dont wanna race em cuz I value my licence & dont trust a mate to drive one!! So just wondering if anyone would have a valid opinion? Cheers.

Stavros

Evo will deffo be faster from a standing start.

From a roll i expect itd be close if was a non-Evo due to closer gearing and less weight, but pretty sure an Evo would have the edge TBH

Oranoco

I would have thought the M3 would be quicker over the 1/4 as they can get off the line. From experience with a powerful FWD car getting off the line and having a good start is not easy.

White RS1600i

My money would be on the fez esp if its stripped out. best thing is to take them both to the pod!

benZVHT

I must be getting gormless in my old age cuz hadn't thought about the strip. Fiesta did 14.0 @99 once but cant get near that now! Think I'll save some petrol pennies & do that. I'm glad the thoughts are it would be close tho, beginning to think there's summat not right with me when I cant tell from driving em both!! Thanks for the relpies.

EIL132

M3 would trash the Fiesta. It might not feel as fast but look at the speedo. The Evo can do 13.5s up the 1/4 and hit the limiter in 5th no prob. I had a RST, stage 3 turbo, big v head, 5th injector, Mahle pistons, launch control, etc, etc and the Evo is faster than that was

A vid of it doing the limiter in 5th

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/B...6845C0CF55.htm

Oranoco

To say thrashed I would think would be a bit unfair.

I would expect the M3 to be quicker up the 1/4 by a full second or so. But on the open road I wouldn't think the gap would be as wide although still in the favour of the M3

EIL132

Believe me, a 220bhp FRST would be trashed by a M3 evo, once rolling having 100bhp more makes even more of a difference. Trust me, I've had a play with most things in it

Oranoco

I remain unconvinced. My brothers FRST is at 207bhp and he's not massively trailing behind my S2 which has more than the odd M3 scalp.

In all fairness though I wouldn't have the foggiest how to tell the difference between the normal and the Evo models and it may be that I have just played with the normal M3

RS_JAY

Yes, i deffo agree. Im pretty sure the evo will spank the fezza!

Rick

think the evo would be quicker

But, u have something like 40% extra weight in the BM - thats a lot

benZVHT

Must admit, along a certain fast road I drive both cars down the M3 always seems to get to high speeds easier, it's just a lot quieter & bigger with makes it seem like your not going as quick. I think it's fairly safe to say M3 is quicker at higher speed so should get em both to strip to find out 1/4 mile.

EIL132

I sincerely doubt they were trying lol. I love comments like this because I was excatly the same in the RS, even believed I did an M5. Wasn't until I bought an M3 and gave it the real beans that suddenly I was beating the RST

Oranoco

Well I know one of the owners as I went to school with him. He was very much trying and had a face like a smacked arse afterwards. Why would somebody have a tussle and not try. Don't get that mate, sorry

According to info I can find on the 1992-99 M3

BMW M3
Power 286bhp
Torque 236lb
Weight 1520kg

My S2
Power 248bhp
Torque 265lb
Weight 975kg (book weight, mine is stripped)

I know the Porka was trying earlier today as I spoke to the driver.

Anh

M3 3.0 is 1440 kg excluding driver and luggage (BMW quote 1520 kg with those included)

They need to be driven to the redline before each gear shift, that's where the power is made, otherwise you can "keep up" with M3's with just an aggressively driven hot hatch.

Adam_BlackRS

Oranoco, The Evo version is 320bhp

AndyP

Although I think it's fair to say that not all of them make that much

What BM is that in your sig BTW, any more pics? Love the wheels!

Mike1

if it's any help Autocar managed to get a SS1/4 out of their Dakar Yellow M3 ( 286bhp K-reg ) in 13.9 when they tested it in 93.
Also did 162mph
That was with proper timing gear and a nonchalant disregard for tyres and transmission.

Can't remember the Evo figures but was a bit quicker than that.

cfoster

The Evo would pish it all day long! Owned both and can say there is no competition!

benZVHT

Dont think it helps that I'm a right leight weight with the BM cuz I brick it that something is gonna break & be EXPENSIVE!! If the Fiesta breaks & can usually be put back together with some duct tape & cable ties! Looks like I'm gonna have to admit to my mates that BM is quicker then, still love the fiesta tho!!

White RS1600i

That makes the M3 Evo with 320bhp 213.91 bhp per ton

Oranocos RST 258.44 in standard weight guise!

Ill stick with my original answer as im sorry lads it dont make an ounce of difference who has more bhp all it comes down to is power to weight! Obvously on the day it comes down to the drivers start up the 1/4 but while out on the road rolling my money would be on the fez all day long.

Adam_BlackRS

AndyP, Its a 325i M-Tech. Wheels need a refurb tho....

Mike1

Those are expensive wheels to refurb if they are the Sport BBS type.

wildheart

iTrader: (4)

A mate of mine has owned a circa 200bhp frst and now owns an M3 Evo and he says the evo is faster for sure,just dont feel it as its more refined.

Have to agree with him too after driving the evo

Mr Brannen

Well I have the 3.0 M3 , and I aint getting beat of no 200 odd brake RS Turbo, sorry but its just a pure mis-match.
Anyone that gets beat of an RS Turbo in an M3 simply isnt fucking trying hard enough
Dont think you lot realise just how well an M3 can get off the mark!
I mean I aint the biggest fan of M3`s even though I own one
But come on a fuckin RS Turbo

cfoster

Ditto above! no chance!

Mr Brannen

You get an Aggressive hot hatch and drive it to within an inch of its life , and I`ll still paste you all over.
Now if thats not a challenge then I dont know what is

Oranoco

And that sir is why I love racing M3 drivers as they are in complete disbelief after being levelled by an old Escort. Nobody is saying the M3 is crap, it isn't, they are an incredible car. There are however some incredible RS Turbo's out there.

Had this been a post about Cosworth -v- M3, things would have been quite different I'm sure.

Anh

Drive your M3 nowhere past 6k RPM in each gear, you will not shake off a Civic Type R, Clio Cup or any similar light weight powerful hatch that is driven to its full potential.

But its clear you're the kind of driver who doesnt pussy foot around, so its all academic in your case.

xr2i-carl

i agree really

my 220bhp frst feels fast and when i was looking at m3 evo they wetn roudn the clock quick but didnt feel fast if you kno what i mean!!

my 318is coupe has only 140bhp and dosent feel that fast ( smooth power delivery, quiet and refined) but i am now beating standard ersts and frst in it, i beat a punto turbo the other day and they are 137bhp. Maybe mine is making more than the factory power i dont know?! (book figure is load ballacks 10.2) which is sooo wrong

based on this i would say evo m3 woudl beat a 220bhp rst maybe from rolling 40-60 no but after 60 easy

thanks

carl

Mr Brannen

I see where ya coming from mate, but this isnt a post about Cosworths is it ,
I accept that your RST is quick and it would be a close call, but I just cant see it Im afraid,
We`ll just have to agree to disagree

Mr Brannen

Matey you are deceiving the point of this completely, if I drive a fuckin Ferrari "no where past 6k" then I will get beaten, its called not racing pal.
drive like your in a driving test and you will get beaten in anything.
were saying if both are driven hard then what will the outcome be

Mr Brannen

And the Civic and the Clio gag........behave will you

Mike1

Just for info
the E36 Evo figures from Autocar are
ss1/4 13.8 @ 107

E36 Smg Car was 13.9 @104

Done with timing gear

cfoster

The E36 SMG's were shite! I had both a manual Evo M3 and an SMG M3 and the difference was immense. The Manual one I could get bouncing off the 155 speed limiter without a struggle whatsoever!!

Chris

Anh

M3's are very under performing if you don't use the upper 2k revs, its a 3xx HP 3 litre engine, not a 300 hp 6 litre or turbocharged engine where the power is made well before redline.

This said, an agressive driven hot hatch, or a stage 1 cosworth, rs turbo or what not can keep up with an M3 that is not driven to the redline in each gear, I have seen too many M3 drivers do this, it is not funny.

I made this point in my first post, I dont know where or how you think I was making out a hot hatch is ultimately faster than M3s.

benporter

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Mike1

Autocar's proper timed figures for the Top Speeds were exactly 155mph for the EVO SMG and 158mph for the manual EVO.
They also managed 162mph with the non Evo
That's what they achieved with proper timing gear on fairly new cars - not that those figures are set in stone for every example of that particular model. Individual cars, weather conditions, drivers etc vary - just shows a rough guide as to what that car can do.

EIL132

Sounds about right as the Evo is limited at 157 and the non evo isn't. Also the Evo has the same gear ratios, but with a 6th gear so makes you wonder what it would top out at unresrticted