turbo 1.6 on twins 45's???? also....fao christian and beccy
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turbo 1.6 on twins 45's???? also....fao christian and beccy
ok, first off,...what power you had out your 1.6 c&b
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anyone know the pro's and cons of escort turbo on 45's/......??
techincally, its actually an escort xr3, of a mates....
he has that, an old t3 that needs rebiulding, and a set of twin 45's....
so,...as above really,...
also,...anyone got an inlet manifold for the above
thanks
carl
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anyone know the pro's and cons of escort turbo on 45's/......??
techincally, its actually an escort xr3, of a mates....
he has that, an old t3 that needs rebiulding, and a set of twin 45's....
so,...as above really,...
also,...anyone got an inlet manifold for the above
thanks
carl
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Well i have no idea what a twin 45 turbo would go like but it sounds interesting.
I have had a set of 40's on a 1.6cvh tho and apart from the ammount of fuel it used (lots ) It was quick tho
Dont know what it was about that setup but it only had 104bhp and 107ft/lbs but it would pull the revlimiter in 5th @ 6500rpm
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/catalog...ducts_id=10641
There is a link for a manifold dont recall it being that much but then i did do mine about 8 years ago lol
I have had a set of 40's on a 1.6cvh tho and apart from the ammount of fuel it used (lots ) It was quick tho
Dont know what it was about that setup but it only had 104bhp and 107ft/lbs but it would pull the revlimiter in 5th @ 6500rpm
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/catalog...ducts_id=10641
There is a link for a manifold dont recall it being that much but then i did do mine about 8 years ago lol
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Twin 45s and carbs WILL work, and work well, even with big power, if set up right.
Need the carbs modded to take boost though.
Karl has that 205 turbo on twin 45s, old Lotus Esprit Turbos ran twin carbs FFS.
There turbo cars in the USA running 8sec quarters and pushing 1000bhp using a single carb for the fueling.
No massive (any?) advantage over the normal RST injection tho, esp if only running normalish power.
Twin 45s and carbs WILL work, and work well, even with big power, if set up right.
Need the carbs modded to take boost though.
Karl has that 205 turbo on twin 45s, old Lotus Esprit Turbos ran twin carbs FFS.
There turbo cars in the USA running 8sec quarters and pushing 1000bhp using a single carb for the fueling.
No massive (any?) advantage over the normal RST injection tho, esp if only running normalish power.
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Yo are wrong Jim, it will work. See old lotus Espirit turbo. Blow through twin 45 delortos.
However, i have turbocharged stuff through carbs before and they are a pig to setup.
The answer is it will work... but why bother when an injection setup is soooo much better.
However, i have turbocharged stuff through carbs before and they are a pig to setup.
The answer is it will work... but why bother when an injection setup is soooo much better.
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oh look someone mentioned the magic words, blow through
you cant expect to slap a turbo on an XR3 on twin 40s and expect it to fuel on boost
you cant expect to slap a turbo on an XR3 on twin 40s and expect it to fuel on boost
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
or for that matter not blow up within 5 minutes on a shonky XR3 engine
he says with his shonky xr4 engine,...
it wont work, end of discussion and even if it did, it would likely bring worse power than a normal injection setup
lmao,....ok,.....imagine this,....
jim: hi matey what you up to,...
other cave dweller: well,....i want to make a circle type object so its easier for me to move dinosaurs into my cave when i slay them......and call it the wheel,...
jim: your fucking jokin right,...that wont work,..
other cave dweller: oh fuck off jim you tit,....
monkey
thank fuck no one listne s to people that say it wont work end of,...
Nice to see people talking rubbish again
Twin 45s and carbs WILL work, and work well, even with big power, if set up right.
Twin 45s and carbs WILL work, and work well, even with big power, if set up right.
glad you ve jumped on this post,.....worth reading what you put,..unlike others
although,,,,,,..mate who s doing it, isnt looking for big power, just reasonable power,....
as i said before,.....jim,.... he has the 45's and an rsturbo manifold, and a turbo....has aquired them over time, never relly thinking hed use them,...but has now bought an xr3, he thinks they re cool,... .......and was WONDERING wether it would be feasible,...
hes a great engineer, so fabricating anything aint a problem, but was wanting to know,...(as he has most of the parts) if its gonna be worth messing with.....
oh, .....jim,....you sound like a clicky cossie driver,.......which is sooooo not you in your 24v "cosworth".....
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Originally Posted by Carlsworth
lmao,....ok,.....imagine this,....
jim: hi matey what you up to,...
other cave dweller: well,....i want to make a circle type object so its easier for me to move dinosaurs into my cave when i slay them......and call it the wheel,...
jim: your fucking jokin right,...that wont work,..
other cave dweller: oh fuck off jim you tit,....
monkey
thank fuck no one listne s to people that say it wont work end of,...
funniest thing ive heard in ages
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if you put a turbo on the std xr3 enginewith the carbs and turn the boost up expect something to go bang very quick
if you are going to do it properly i.e low comp, head work etc it will work fine as long as set up correctly
but if its the first idea then good luck
if i was going down that route id go throttle bodies instaed of carbs and get myself a rs urbo bottom end
if you are going to do it properly i.e low comp, head work etc it will work fine as long as set up correctly
but if its the first idea then good luck
if i was going down that route id go throttle bodies instaed of carbs and get myself a rs urbo bottom end
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The 45's in question won't take boost at all unless mod'd to do so. You could run them on the intake side of the turbo like some old skool beetles though,but again it a bit pointless imo,inj is cheap enough and radily available so why not use it?
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Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
if you are going to do it properly i.e low comp, head work etc it will work fine as long as set up correctly
a bit pointless imo,inj is cheap enough and radily available so why not use it?
read the whole post rather than just posting...
Or, save the time and hassle and buy an RS Turbo in the first place.
as should you,.....
i do appreciate peoples input,...especially when its something worth considering,...
but for everyone who cant be arsed to read the original post.....
he has most of the parts lying around, and wanted to put them to use....
sooo,....also, for the above question,....
he bought the xr3, because he prefers the looks over the rst,...i know,....he mental,..but each to their own,....however,...after being blasted from traffic lights by standard people carriers...lmao,.....he wants a power upgrade, and this is by far the cheapest way.....head work etc, will all be done by ROAD AND RALLY'S FAMOUS MALLY,......they good mates, so discout rate...
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What parts would those be exactly?
A t3 thats need rebuilding? Well thats about as much use a choclate teapot.
A set of 45's? That will pressurise the float chambers and/or lift all the fuel and dump it into the engine at an unmeasurable rate.
Sounds like your onto a winner.
A t3 thats need rebuilding? Well thats about as much use a choclate teapot.
A set of 45's? That will pressurise the float chambers and/or lift all the fuel and dump it into the engine at an unmeasurable rate.
Sounds like your onto a winner.
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if u want a carbed turbo why not look around for a original xr3 turbo technics kit, turbo technics made them back in the early 80's for the race xr3's there was a guy on rsoc who had one on his rs16i a few years ago
cheers kev
cheers kev
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ok i cannot be bothered to go into detail at all, but i'm right just me
the modifications and costs involved are NOT worth it, especially when parts cna be picked up for PENNIES which will do it properly.
if you expect to bolt any of this onto your engine and have it work with little work, it WONT, everyithng witll need extensive modification, and the end resul will be SHIT.
as for power increases on an XR3i, do you know HOW CHEAP it is to put an RST engine in? its cheaper to drop the turbo motor in (which is good for like 200hp with littlemoney) for less thanit will cost to get the XR3i serviced
the modifications and costs involved are NOT worth it, especially when parts cna be picked up for PENNIES which will do it properly.
if you expect to bolt any of this onto your engine and have it work with little work, it WONT, everyithng witll need extensive modification, and the end resul will be SHIT.
as for power increases on an XR3i, do you know HOW CHEAP it is to put an RST engine in? its cheaper to drop the turbo motor in (which is good for like 200hp with littlemoney) for less thanit will cost to get the XR3i serviced
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rs1
t3 that can and will be rebuilt.....we're in the know,.....
sm,... cheers bud,..thanks for the USEFUL....(look jim) input....
jim your still gay,...and blind i think,....this isnt an xr3i,...its an xr3...
hence got all the wiring probs going to fuel injection,..
although.....i do appreciate your indirectly helpful input,....
this is the whole reason of this post....to find out if its worth doing,...
t3 that can and will be rebuilt.....we're in the know,.....
sm,... cheers bud,..thanks for the USEFUL....(look jim) input....
jim your still gay,...and blind i think,....this isnt an xr3i,...its an xr3...
hence got all the wiring probs going to fuel injection,..
although.....i do appreciate your indirectly helpful input,....
this is the whole reason of this post....to find out if its worth doing,...
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Originally Posted by shane
if renault 5 turbos are anything to go by,turbo's and carbs are a shite combination! i think injection is needed for big power!
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as mentioned but i do agree with jim
i would go injection as it can be fine tuned better than a set of carbs which need setting up every so often
easiest solution even being a xr3 carb model is
rs turbo engine running efi not mechanical injection
you can pick up a rst engine cheap, get an adaptor plate for a frst inlet and put the frst management on
obvioulsy you will have to change fuel tank to injection
but would be so much more reliable and cheaper
i would go injection as it can be fine tuned better than a set of carbs which need setting up every so often
easiest solution even being a xr3 carb model is
rs turbo engine running efi not mechanical injection
you can pick up a rst engine cheap, get an adaptor plate for a frst inlet and put the frst management on
obvioulsy you will have to change fuel tank to injection
but would be so much more reliable and cheaper
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remove engine from RST
put engine in XR3
job done
cheaper than the cost of gettin ghr carbs converted (THE CHEAPEST BIT OF TUEBOING THE xr3)
ps if you want to turbo the XR3 you'll want to remove the engine, and rebuild it to the same spec as the RST engine anyway
put engine in XR3
job done
cheaper than the cost of gettin ghr carbs converted (THE CHEAPEST BIT OF TUEBOING THE xr3)
ps if you want to turbo the XR3 you'll want to remove the engine, and rebuild it to the same spec as the RST engine anyway
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I got a better idea just styick the 45's on dont worry about the turbo it will eat any std rs running 45's although may be a bit overfueling so would need a good setup.
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Or, save the time and hassle and buy an RS Turbo in the first place.
as should you,.....
PMSL
Dan does have an RS Turbo, hence his name
What makes you think he doesn't?
Maybe if you entitled this thread "....FAO Christian and Beccy" you would get more chance of a reply from him. He hates being called Chris. And rightly so, it's not his name.
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Originally Posted by Tony Turbo
Originally Posted by Carlsworth
Or, save the time and hassle and buy an RS Turbo in the first place.
as should you,.....
PMSL
Dan does have an RS Turbo, hence his name
What makes you think he doesn't?
Maybe if you entitled this thread "....FAO Christian and Beccy" you would get more chance of a reply from him. He hates being called Chris. And rightly so, it's not his name.
tony you monkey.........
it says,.....
read the whole post rather than just posting...
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Or, save the time and hassle and buy an RS Turbo in the first place.
as should you,.....
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Twin 45s and carbs WILL work, and work well, even with big power, if set up right.
but yeah,theres plenty of FAST cars running turbos and carbs,fast 5gtts,maestro turbos were carbd,and plenty of monster power things in the usa
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steve, youre missing my point, i'm saying that twin webber 45s slapped on a CVH will NOT fuel under boost.
i'm NOT saying you cant turbo a carb engine
i'm NOT saying you cant turbo a carb engine
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Steve, youre missing my point, i'm saying that twin webber 45s slapped on a CVH will NOT fuel under boost.
i'm NOT saying you cant turbo a carb engine
i'm NOT saying you cant turbo a carb engine
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nope, still missing my point.
think about the 2 DIFFERENT types of carbs and how they operate.
then you'll realise that the extra air will go in, but no extra fuel will go in :P
plus lets be honest, we all know the guy's got an XR3 and his mate saids "wikkid bruv innit, slap a tuuuurbo on it innit get sum boost bruv an put on a dump valve for rally dumpin wikkid" but has no understanding of the fundemental principles of how engines work.
think about the 2 DIFFERENT types of carbs and how they operate.
then you'll realise that the extra air will go in, but no extra fuel will go in :P
plus lets be honest, we all know the guy's got an XR3 and his mate saids "wikkid bruv innit, slap a tuuuurbo on it innit get sum boost bruv an put on a dump valve for rally dumpin wikkid" but has no understanding of the fundemental principles of how engines work.
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
nope, still missing my point.
think about the 2 DIFFERENT types of carbs and how they operate.
then you'll realise that the extra air will go in, but no extra fuel will go in :P
plus lets be honest, we all know the guy's got an XR3 and his mate saids "wikkid bruv innit, slap a tuuuurbo on it innit get sum boost bruv an put on a dump valve for rally dumpin wikkid" but has no understanding of the fundemental principles of how engines work.
think about the 2 DIFFERENT types of carbs and how they operate.
then you'll realise that the extra air will go in, but no extra fuel will go in :P
plus lets be honest, we all know the guy's got an XR3 and his mate saids "wikkid bruv innit, slap a tuuuurbo on it innit get sum boost bruv an put on a dump valve for rally dumpin wikkid" but has no understanding of the fundemental principles of how engines work.