lawnsy

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Right the first pic was my car at 8pm....i have had realy low oil pressure since buying the car and it has been getting worse but no bangs from the engine so i got sick and now it looks like the last photos.............I NEED YOU TO CONFIRM MY SUSPICIONS THAT MY 2WD SAFF HAS A 4WD OIL PUMP AND PICKUP PIPE (that was covered in some sort of silicone anyhow i have posted some pics of the work so far) any input welcome........

bud-weis

yes, defo 4x4 pump

Richie.

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Its a 4x4 pump alright, although I used a 4x4 oil pump, pick up and spray bar with a 2wd sump no problems. Did it have a sump gasket fitted or was it just gasket sealant ?

Alvyn

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you can use a 4x4 pump and p/up just looks like who ever fitted the sump prior used too much of the that dreaded shit!



ps take a look at the big ends/ mains and also the condition of the pump seeing as it's had low pressure you may be lucky that there's no damage

pee vee

EDIT ! Alvyn beat me to it lol

that slilcone on the pick up pipe is sealant from (probably the sump)
that COULD be whats causing your low pressure

tell you what mate, i would take a look at your bearings while you got it apart,, if the oil pressure has been that low,, it might not be such a great sight I know, cos ive just done exactly the same with mine tonight
having sent my oil pump back to cosworth



4x4 oil pump looks like this mate/

lawnsy

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The sump was covered in hermotie as was the inlet ....does the 4x4 pickup pipe not sit to close to the 2wd sump?????? checked the oil pump and it looks ok no mojor scoring......not checked the shells yet having a few tins first before i pop back down..........oil pressure was down to 20psi on hot

lawnsy

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any1???????

SPADGE

Don't talk to me about fookin silicone I dug this out of a YB a few weeks ago

SPADGE

As has been said mate pop a big end and main cap off and check the shells arn't mullered!

lawnsy

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Fuck me ....mine was not that bad thank god.....i know 1 thing though there will not 1 drop of the stuff on the engine when it goes back together..

Was the engine ok?????

lawnsy

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ill pop down now got me wondering now ...ill post some pics of findings

SPADGE

That engine was fooked but was past its 'sell by' date anyway so it didn't bother me

pee vee

hope it ok for you mate

lawnsy

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just checked shells and they are like new...even had arp bolts in ill post pics now

lawnsy

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pee vee

good news for ya then mate!!

chuck a new set in for good measure and a new set of bolts. away ya go!

Kevin Sharp

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4x4 pump and pick up pipe work perfectly with a 2wd sump fitted

lawnsy

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they have only been in for about a 1000miles

lawnsy

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well the shells are like new and the pump looks ok so if a 4x4 pump and pickup pipe is ok the only thing i can see is the shit on the pickup pipe but i would say only about half was covered would this be enough????

-beefy-

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glad it didnt go pop lawnsy mate !!!

when will she be back out then ???

i would swap all the other gaskets if there half as shonky as them mate ??

hope u get it sorted son

beef

lawnsy

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ill be back for the weekend got a fullengine gasket set to go on not taking head off though i want to goto york on sunday

scruffythefirst

I hope so, otherwise this isn't going to solve my problems

lawnsy

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when i measured the bottom of pickup pipe from the bottom of block then measured the inside of the sump theres not much room pickup pipe is going to be sat really close to the inside of the sump also there was little marks on the inside of the sump were the pickup pipe sits looks like it has been vibrating and hitting the sump?????????? ive got a 2wd oil pump so i am going to try and get a pickup pipe and change it to make sure

cossie4i+

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I do hope you sort it

Steve.

JTECH James

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ford do a special sump sealer for 4x4 cosworth engines, that had no gasket, i would use that ,ive had no probs its only Ł7.50....

Also double check with your supplier that the part numbers on your new pump are not in those that are faulty...... and create too much pressure ,otherwise you will be doing it all over again.

lawnsy

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You know when i said im sure the pickup pipe was sitting to close to the inside of the sump well look at this


see were it has been hitting...............so i am definately putting my 2wd pump&pipe on when i put it back together.....

scruffythefirst

I was going to do that, then found out how much a 2wd pickup was and the fact i had to buy a new 2wd pump to go with it, I opted for modding my 4wd one.

Mines got the same pattern, but i'm not convinced its the pickup being too close thats caused it - its only been run for 5 minutes.

lawnsy

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what sort of pressure are you getting???? does it change from cold to hot?????......i am getting 40psi at cold and 20-25psi at full temp, it is a 4wd 200block in a 2wd saff shells look mint as does oil pump, the only other thing i could think of apart from the oil pump is the little spring that go's in the side of the pump the one you change when you get the high pressure oil pump kit.....if this spring had lost it's goodness would this cause low oil pressure problem???????

scruffythefirst

Well i was getting 65psi at cold idle for the first 60 secs, then absolutely zero. i tried it several times. Needless to say the engine hasn't run long enough to find out what its like hot.

4wd hp pump and pickup, 2wd sump on a 200 block. I measured the clearance between the pickup and the sump - its 6mm. Well it was untill i cut the pipe into 3 bits and had just the two brazed back together. Should have around 15mm clearance now

Will find out in about 3 hours if its worked.

scruffythefirst

Shortening the pickup seems to have worked, won't be able to test it fully for a while, but its certainly got decent oil pressure all the time i ran it.

lawnsy

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happy for you i know what its like......ive just cleaned my 2wd pickup pipe to put on but the oil pump looks a bit used so im going to buy a new one ive already got a high pressure oil pump kit to go in and see what happends.......

lawnsy

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im blaming the 4x4 pickup pipe though for my probs

scruffythefirst

Its been a bit of a mission, sumps been on and off about 8 times in the last week

scruffythefirst

Well its still fucked. It was working perfectly, 65psi, the flutter from the guage had dissapeared, the turbo and lifters had shut up. then a quick blast up and down the drive, blip the revs a bit and zero oil pressure

So culprit could be one of several things.

Guage and warning light faulty

remote filter and pipework faulty

pressure releif valve sticking open, closes when cranked on the starter

pickup still too close to the sump

something I haven't thought off

pee vee

mate there is almost No way the Light AND the gauge are faulty

PLEEEEASE dont use the car again till you fixed it!!

mine only ran twice with similar problems and i ended up having to buy a new crank where it got so damaged.

pee vee

Also.. your remote oil filter,, the sandwich plate isnt a thermostat type one is it?? opens when the oil reaches certain temp???
(might of been put on by mistake?)
if so could that have something to do with it??

_DAN_

Hasn't the 4wd pump got two feeds to the rotor instead of one?

scruffythefirst

Nope

Its not even registered yet, so i've decided to fix it by drinking beer Felt fantastic driving it up and down the drive, well untill it went tits up

Not sure what you mean? There's only one pickup pipe

_DAN_

Two feeds to the rotor i heard,prob shite

scruffythefirst

Anyone else?