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I was allegedly caught speeding in Nottm in Feb
I asked for a photo which was piss poor , Here is my response to the fooookers
24 March 2006
REF : C1000
Dear Sirs
I am writing with reference to your allegations of my breaching a 30mph speed limit on 15/2/06
I have a number of issues that I feel you should be given the opportunity to respond to.
I have asked for a copy of the evidence that you say you have available for which you have furnished me with a low quality small black and white image. From this image it is impossible to draw any of the following conclusions
• The fact that the car in the image is mine,all I recognise is the number plate and this could have been “cloned” at anytime
• At the time of the alleged offence I believe I was at my sisters house in Nottingham with my partner and my 9mth old son
• The image of the driver is purely black screen with no way of identifying the driver which in my last correspondence I informed you of the difficulty in knowing who may have been the driver
• You also have sent me a NIP in the last 3 weeks for a vehicle M111JPH that I sold 3 years ago and the VRM was sold separately yet you still manage to have me as the registered keeper of a vehicle that doesn’t exist. Yet you want me to accept the accuracy of your process
In light of the above facts I cannot at this time with any degree of accuracy state that my car is the one in the alleged letter, whom the driver was at the alleged time
If you consider further action under Section 172 of the RTA I would request a stay in any action until the outcome of the following case is heard later this year by the court for Human rights, Then based upon the outcome the action should then be re assessed.
Eight Motorists' Right to Silence Defence to be heard by European Court of Human Rights.
The European Court of Human Rights has accepted eight motorists' applications claiming that S172 of the 1988 Road Traffic Act breaches the right to silence implicit in Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Given that 90% of applications are rejected at this first stage, this is an important step in a process which, if successful, will make the speed camera system unworkable.
The British government has been asked by the European Court of Human Rights to respond to these applications by January 18th and 19th 2005. The applicants will then be able to respond in turn and a court verdict is expected some time in 2006.
If you feel that the action you need to take will not be either overruled or prejudiced by this case you have my details
Nigel Sherwood
I asked for a photo which was piss poor , Here is my response to the fooookers
24 March 2006
REF : C1000
Dear Sirs
I am writing with reference to your allegations of my breaching a 30mph speed limit on 15/2/06
I have a number of issues that I feel you should be given the opportunity to respond to.
I have asked for a copy of the evidence that you say you have available for which you have furnished me with a low quality small black and white image. From this image it is impossible to draw any of the following conclusions
• The fact that the car in the image is mine,all I recognise is the number plate and this could have been “cloned” at anytime
• At the time of the alleged offence I believe I was at my sisters house in Nottingham with my partner and my 9mth old son
• The image of the driver is purely black screen with no way of identifying the driver which in my last correspondence I informed you of the difficulty in knowing who may have been the driver
• You also have sent me a NIP in the last 3 weeks for a vehicle M111JPH that I sold 3 years ago and the VRM was sold separately yet you still manage to have me as the registered keeper of a vehicle that doesn’t exist. Yet you want me to accept the accuracy of your process
In light of the above facts I cannot at this time with any degree of accuracy state that my car is the one in the alleged letter, whom the driver was at the alleged time
If you consider further action under Section 172 of the RTA I would request a stay in any action until the outcome of the following case is heard later this year by the court for Human rights, Then based upon the outcome the action should then be re assessed.
Eight Motorists' Right to Silence Defence to be heard by European Court of Human Rights.
The European Court of Human Rights has accepted eight motorists' applications claiming that S172 of the 1988 Road Traffic Act breaches the right to silence implicit in Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Given that 90% of applications are rejected at this first stage, this is an important step in a process which, if successful, will make the speed camera system unworkable.
The British government has been asked by the European Court of Human Rights to respond to these applications by January 18th and 19th 2005. The applicants will then be able to respond in turn and a court verdict is expected some time in 2006.
If you feel that the action you need to take will not be either overruled or prejudiced by this case you have my details
Nigel Sherwood
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nice letter to get things off your chest
but, they wont care, you might be lucky and they drop the case, or you might just get a summons.
have you taken any advice from these guys? www.forums.pepipoo.com as they know thier stuff.
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but, they wont care, you might be lucky and they drop the case, or you might just get a summons.
have you taken any advice from these guys? www.forums.pepipoo.com as they know thier stuff.
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Aye and the "right to silence" people to
Just annoys me so much that they cant even confirm to me the colour of my car from their image
I said why not she says dont know ????
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Just annoys me so much that they cant even confirm to me the colour of my car from their image
I said why not she says dont know ????
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On a similar note, where do I stand?
Had a disiplinary (sp) hearing at work the other week for jumping a red light in the company car park, they dragged me up in front of HR claiming video evidence, I sat and watched a grainy black and white CCTV image of a car going through a red light, you cant see me or the reg number AT ALL as its was 11:30pm and pitch black and camera is a good 100-150m away, the only other evidence is my reg number got wrote down by a security guard who was watching the lights for red light jumpers, my reg was on a list of about 10, but only about 6/7 of them were full reg numbers, some were incomplete where he couldnt read them quick enough
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On the back of this evidence they gave me a years corrective action (which is the same as a first written, also affects your annual pay rise score) I appealed it stating I wasnt happy with the evidence and the security guard could of easily maken a mistake as proved by the last of incomplete numbers. had the hearing last week, and it doesnt look like I'll get off, how can they do me with such piss poor evidence? if this was on the public highway the police would have to provide a photo of my reg number, yet work just have the word of a security guard jotting numbers down
Had a disiplinary (sp) hearing at work the other week for jumping a red light in the company car park, they dragged me up in front of HR claiming video evidence, I sat and watched a grainy black and white CCTV image of a car going through a red light, you cant see me or the reg number AT ALL as its was 11:30pm and pitch black and camera is a good 100-150m away, the only other evidence is my reg number got wrote down by a security guard who was watching the lights for red light jumpers, my reg was on a list of about 10, but only about 6/7 of them were full reg numbers, some were incomplete where he couldnt read them quick enough
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On the back of this evidence they gave me a years corrective action (which is the same as a first written, also affects your annual pay rise score) I appealed it stating I wasnt happy with the evidence and the security guard could of easily maken a mistake as proved by the last of incomplete numbers. had the hearing last week, and it doesnt look like I'll get off, how can they do me with such piss poor evidence? if this was on the public highway the police would have to provide a photo of my reg number, yet work just have the word of a security guard jotting numbers down
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Originally Posted by Matt J
Had a disiplinary (sp) hearing at work the other week for jumping a red light in the company car park, they dragged me up in front of HR claiming video evidence,
i remember getting a word in my ear about handbrake turning the company van in the car park, wasnt too pleased when i asked if i could have a copy of the video
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also got told off over crashing into the offices and cracking the wall in a fiesta with the weakest brakes going, this then turned into months of piss taking, as expected
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Aye and the "right to silence" people to
Just annoys me so much that they cant even confirm to me the colour of my car from their image
I said why not she says dont know ????
Nige
Just annoys me so much that they cant even confirm to me the colour of my car from their image
I said why not she says dont know ????
Nige
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hmm, red light in a carpark, are they serious, why is it given such a high profile?
I would write a letter to HR telling them that as they have no positive video evidence and the fact that as a member of the public, the security guards statement is not primary evidence and therefor would not stand up in a court of law, they cannot discipline you.
I would ask for thier comments back to you in writing too.
also state that as no evidence of identity was given, they should remove all pertaining documantaion from your file, unless they want to take it further, legally speaking
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I would write a letter to HR telling them that as they have no positive video evidence and the fact that as a member of the public, the security guards statement is not primary evidence and therefor would not stand up in a court of law, they cannot discipline you.
I would ask for thier comments back to you in writing too.
also state that as no evidence of identity was given, they should remove all pertaining documantaion from your file, unless they want to take it further, legally speaking
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It may of been pretty hard to spot the offending vehicles colour code as it hit mach 3 ![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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Originally Posted by Fil
Originally Posted by Matt J
Had a disiplinary (sp) hearing at work the other week for jumping a red light in the company car park, they dragged me up in front of HR claiming video evidence,
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Dont know what to do next
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they have a security gate that you go through before said lights and this opens after you scan your card over the reader, this logs your details and time, BUT when this system was installed they said it would only be used for security purposes and NOT for disiplinary reasons, they didnt mention the use of my card in the hearing, but you can tell they've used it to check up if I left at the time they say I left
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edit, sorry for hijacking your thread Nige, I'll start my own for some advice.
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Pops remember what happend when you drove any of my cars
Ching Ching
6 Points
Et Voila if had been you driving they would spot your silver bonce so easily
"Cock"
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Ching Ching
6 Points
Et Voila if had been you driving they would spot your silver bonce so easily
"Cock"
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Originally Posted by Matt J
Originally Posted by Fil
Originally Posted by Matt J
Had a disiplinary (sp) hearing at work the other week for jumping a red light in the company car park, they dragged me up in front of HR claiming video evidence,
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Dont know what to do next
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they have a security gate that you go through before said lights and this opens after you scan your card over the reader, this logs your details and time, BUT when this system was installed they said it would only be used for security purposes and NOT for disiplinary reasons, they didnt mention the use of my card in the hearing, but you can tell they've used it to check up if I left at the time they say I left
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edit, sorry for hijacking your thread Nige, I'll start my own for some advice.
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I asked the copper who gets done for any vehicle defects he says driver
That was you
Tehn i help him see the dodgy plates
Nige
COCK
I asked the copper who gets done for any vehicle defects he says driver
That was you
Tehn i help him see the dodgy plates
Nige
COCK
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Well now i have got a leeter from the plod
This office has requested that you the user/keeper of Audi A6 1.9 TDI did not comply with your duty under section 172 of the RTA 1988 by providing the required details of the driver of that vehicle at the time and date relevant
Having considered all the evidence it is felat you have failed to give the information required , This is an offence
I must therefore advise you that in the next ten days a file will be raiesed and forwarded from this office for consideration of your prosecution
Yours Faithfully
The filth
Oh Well wait and see what comes in the next 10days then
This office has requested that you the user/keeper of Audi A6 1.9 TDI did not comply with your duty under section 172 of the RTA 1988 by providing the required details of the driver of that vehicle at the time and date relevant
Having considered all the evidence it is felat you have failed to give the information required , This is an offence
I must therefore advise you that in the next ten days a file will be raiesed and forwarded from this office for consideration of your prosecution
Yours Faithfully
The filth
Oh Well wait and see what comes in the next 10days then
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Aye Chip
Cant wait for the court date ,
The points at the moment are 3 and £60
Court will be 4 pts and £120 fine and £30 costs
or
Nowt if its nowt im asking for my costs back
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Cant wait for the court date ,
The points at the moment are 3 and £60
Court will be 4 pts and £120 fine and £30 costs
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Nowt if its nowt im asking for my costs back
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I gave the details of someone driving my car who had sinced moved abroard and i had no forwarding address for cause they were backpacking (or iddnt exist, i cant remember now
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They said they were going to do me for failure to identify, but i pointed out that i HAD identified but the person had since moved, they realised this was me meeting my obligation and dropped it.
Yours isnt as cut and dry as that, but i still dont see how they can penalise you when you have genuinely been trying your hardest to co-operate.
Especially as no doubt you have a few witnesses that the car was where you say it was, not driven by anyone, parked on the driveway.
Maybe you should have been more specific about that fact?
At the time of the offence (by my watch, which may be wrong, so you can prosecute me for lieing, its not an offence for my watch not to be calibrated to the local speed cameras) the person driving my vehicle was "NO ONE" as it was parked.
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They said they were going to do me for failure to identify, but i pointed out that i HAD identified but the person had since moved, they realised this was me meeting my obligation and dropped it.
Yours isnt as cut and dry as that, but i still dont see how they can penalise you when you have genuinely been trying your hardest to co-operate.
Especially as no doubt you have a few witnesses that the car was where you say it was, not driven by anyone, parked on the driveway.
Maybe you should have been more specific about that fact?
At the time of the offence (by my watch, which may be wrong, so you can prosecute me for lieing, its not an offence for my watch not to be calibrated to the local speed cameras) the person driving my vehicle was "NO ONE" as it was parked.
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Your spot on and thats my response to the NIP that will no doubt come through in the next 10days or so
It will be a case of i have told you who may have been driving if it is my car
I have also sttated that your picture doesnt clearly show the car has being mine
I wasnt where you say i was at the time
and my wild cardd
" when i called your civilian manned helpdesk on what to do i was told
Decide amongst yourselves who was driving and taking the points"
i Said what if i dont know who it was
" well one of you need to take the points"
Was a belter of a chat
Nige
It will be a case of i have told you who may have been driving if it is my car
I have also sttated that your picture doesnt clearly show the car has being mine
I wasnt where you say i was at the time
and my wild cardd
" when i called your civilian manned helpdesk on what to do i was told
Decide amongst yourselves who was driving and taking the points"
i Said what if i dont know who it was
" well one of you need to take the points"
Was a belter of a chat
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what they will do is look for any sort of identifiying marks on the vehicle that match those in the picture
if you've got a sticker in the window or a little scratch on the bumper or whatever
thing is, they can't enhance the image they got from the camera and present that as evidence, so if you DID have a blue sticker in the window and they DID have a blue sticker in the window of the car in the picture, they couldn't enhance the image to see what was written on it to see if you DID win a blue peter badge and were proudly displaying the fact in the rear window of your car![Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
but plod do tend to have a habit of "looking" out for people who try to wriggle out of cases as watertight as a sieve later on in the day round my way so even if you do end up getting your costs paid.............
as a matter of intrest, where baouts in notingham were you alegedly caught?
they have more cameras than anywhere else i've been to
EVER!!!!
if you've got a sticker in the window or a little scratch on the bumper or whatever
thing is, they can't enhance the image they got from the camera and present that as evidence, so if you DID have a blue sticker in the window and they DID have a blue sticker in the window of the car in the picture, they couldn't enhance the image to see what was written on it to see if you DID win a blue peter badge and were proudly displaying the fact in the rear window of your car
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but plod do tend to have a habit of "looking" out for people who try to wriggle out of cases as watertight as a sieve later on in the day round my way so even if you do end up getting your costs paid.............
as a matter of intrest, where baouts in notingham were you alegedly caught?
they have more cameras than anywhere else i've been to
EVER!!!!
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? for you you know the driver of the car and you spoke to the drive they said that you would be in breach of the data protection act if you passed on there detail and would sue you how would you stand
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Arnold area
Howbeck road or something other
The image is shocking quality really shocking , I asked loads of people what colour the car is in the pic and make etc
NONE got audi
NONE got A6
None got pale blue
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Howbeck road or something other
The image is shocking quality really shocking , I asked loads of people what colour the car is in the pic and make etc
NONE got audi
NONE got A6
None got pale blue
MMmmm
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Chip Nope but she repeated it 2 to 3 times and said the calls logged so ill be asking for that in court
Data protection act only counts if you can only get the drivers name from a PC based system and Data P act is very weak on this
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Data protection act only counts if you can only get the drivers name from a PC based system and Data P act is very weak on this
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? for you you know the driver of the car and you spoke to the drive they said that you would be in breach of the data protection act if you passed on there detail and would sue you how would you stand
If i have your name and other details written down, or in my head, its not covered, its only for electronically stored or created data.
Well, that used to be the case anyway, unless there is some new revision i dont know about to the law.
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NIGELLLLLL
Whats happenin son ?
Still speedin i see
LOL And still tryin to get off it like the good old Southend 3
PMSL
I was well impressed wit ya letter, but their a bunch of cocks man. fookin hate the plod !
Make sure you keep us infromed wit how it goes cos when I get my new toy, I'll no doubt need some of dem legal jargen lines off ya
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P.s. what you drivin now apart from the TDi ?
Whats happenin son ?
Still speedin i see
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I was well impressed wit ya letter, but their a bunch of cocks man. fookin hate the plod !
Make sure you keep us infromed wit how it goes cos when I get my new toy, I'll no doubt need some of dem legal jargen lines off ya
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P.s. what you drivin now apart from the TDi ?
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At the moment just the A6 have looked at a couple of things , a 911 and another M3 but running costs are ridiculous
Will prob get another "Toy" Esscy Cos at some point
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At the moment just the A6 have looked at a couple of things , a 911 and another M3 but running costs are ridiculous
Will prob get another "Toy" Esscy Cos at some point
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Its only the VRM that they are saying they can recognise from the image , I have asked for clarification from the photo of make model and colour
They have saoid they cant tell
CLONED number plates possibility
Will see what happens
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Its only the VRM that they are saying they can recognise from the image , I have asked for clarification from the photo of make model and colour
They have saoid they cant tell
CLONED number plates possibility
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Will see what happens
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LOL
Your again almost spot on , My curerent tax disc holder is a small black plastci circle one , It will become a silver TT looking one with the silver ring that should be distinguishable on the photo
|but it wont be
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Your again almost spot on , My curerent tax disc holder is a small black plastci circle one , It will become a silver TT looking one with the silver ring that should be distinguishable on the photo
|but it wont be
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by RS500/104
? for you you know the driver of the car and you spoke to the drive they said that you would be in breach of the data protection act if you passed on there detail and would sue you how would you stand
If i have your name and other details written down, or in my head, its not covered, its only for electronically stored or created data.
Well, that used to be the case anyway, unless there is some new revision i dont know about to the law.
hows is that ?
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Originally Posted by BigNige
Chip
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Your again almost spot on , My curerent tax disc holder is a small black plastci circle one , It will become a silver TT looking one with the silver ring that should be distinguishable on the photo
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Your again almost spot on , My curerent tax disc holder is a small black plastci circle one , It will become a silver TT looking one with the silver ring that should be distinguishable on the photo
|but it wont be
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Originally Posted by RS500/104
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by RS500/104
? for you you know the driver of the car and you spoke to the drive they said that you would be in breach of the data protection act if you passed on there detail and would sue you how would you stand
If i have your name and other details written down, or in my head, its not covered, its only for electronically stored or created data.
Well, that used to be the case anyway, unless there is some new revision i dont know about to the law.
hows is that ?
If someone wont give you that information, or let you share it, then you shouldnt be letting them drive the car.
You are also responsible for them having insurance etc (look up code IN12 on the web if you dont beleive me!)
The data protection act is of utterly no use here, especially as police can apply for an exemption whenever its in legal proceedings anyway.
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Hey nige good to see life is never dull for you
Fookin plods did me for same thing a while ago,couldnt have been a fookin jumbo jet in the picture from what i could see
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