on a escort cossy with coil overs what would the right lbs be to use on the road .for front and back as my car is just to harsh it bounces every were I cant even go over a crisp packet with out bouncing of it

 

up whar lbs rayting should i use for the road

 

What dampers and what are you running spring rate wise at the moment?

 

Mike Rainbird
hello avo coil overs of a saff cossy ther new as you know mine is rwd with full saff cossy runing gear i know the lbs rating would be wroung from a saff to escort .i dont realy i cant remember what lbs the springs are but would like to fit a new set of springs that suit the road

 

But unless I know what spring rates you have at the moment, it is difficult to know what to suggest. Where did you get them from - can you not find out from the seller?

 

mike im running 260/90 on the rear of my 3dr, any advice on what length and poundage springs i would need?

 

Ryan,
Bilsteins? As your car is going to be a track car and stripped out, you need to find out the weight of it first. Then you need to decide where you want to compromise (road handling, or track handling?).

 

Mike Rainbird
would it say on the spring ? i think they were around the 250/290 lbs

 

yes mike, mag bilsteins, yes the car will be on track.

basically it will be similar to marco's road car with the odd track day.

obviously more road than track.

but marco is unsure of length and rate

 

500,
The rates that normally come with AVOs are 350lb front and 200lb rear. It is the rears that are excessively hard. Try 175lb on the rear, but first turn all the dampers to the softest settings and then work up five clicks at a time. When you get close to what you feel is comfortable, then you can fine tune 1/2 clicks at a time.

Ryan,
Until you determine the weight of the car, then you can't say what springs would be a starting point. What might be good for a car with full interior, would be too hard for a stripped out car. The lighter the car, the lower the spring rates can be to achieve the same thing.

 

Mike Rainbird
top man did you get the pm about the 2 items i wanted off you

 

it will be a trimmed car but with 2 buckets in the front, which weigh 9kg the pair.

I guess my car will be about standard 3dr weight maybe heavier, i've saved weight in some places, but then added in other, obviously wont be able to tell until the car is finished and wieght but i think standard weight would be a good starting block.

any more ideas?

also reply to my PM from earlier bitch

 

350 front / 175 rear as starting point. You may then decide that you want 375s for front, but too hard on the front and it will understeer in tight corners.

 

Yep, but wasn't sure if you were going ahead, as didn't hear anything further .

 

yes need price on 2

 

Two what? Head gaskets? Long studs? Regulators? If you emailed me instead of PM, I can't read that until Monday....

Anyway, I'm off to bed .

 

Far too soft and it will understeer too So it's a matter of finding a golden middle.

 

i thought something like 450 azrael?

and 300 ish on the back?

 

Ryan I ment only that too soft is bad too. Don't know what would be the right poundage for you :-(. Lately I'm insterested only in setups for really bad surfaces as this is what I have to drive on. I run 250/150 at the moment. Would like fronts slightly stiffer I think.

 

oh ok thanks, i've got 480/200 front

 

Ryan sad thing is thaton track car the only solution will be testing testing testing :-(

Sometimes a good idea is to get some pro racing driver to take your car around and tell you what to alter in the setup. Other way it's hard to predict something, and also different tracks, driving styles require different settings. Some drivers prefer it softer and cut corners deeper, some have settings harder and follow more neat lines...

 

I have tested these and 400/200 on the front of my Sapphire, it's TOO hard on a 1345kg car for road use AND understeers on road (great on track). I have given yoiu a good refernce point to start with . 480s/200s will be HORRIBLE on anything but marble smooth roads. But you'll soon find out .

 

marco has 480/200?

 

You don't have the same inserts as him . If you're going to copy Marco's set up, you need to copy it EXACTLY. You don't want to have a spring / insert disparity...

Anyway, weigh the car first , then give me insert info and then I can suggest the required changes to dampers and / or spring rates .

 

yes i do i have exactly the same inserts as him front and rear

his car weighs 1250kg i expect mine will be very similar.

maybe a bit lighter.

He suggested running as long a spring as possible aswell as helpers.

 

Personally I thought Marcos was too hard for road use.

There didn't seem to be any compliance at all......... seems strange when he does about 1 track day a year.

 

There you go .

I would drive his car and make a decision first, as thinks like this are subjective. I would never sacrifice road handling for track handling, unless it was a dedicated track car. Too many people think that "hard" is best. However, for the tyre to grip, it actually has to remain in contact with the road.

I'm really looking forward to taking Jakub round the 'Ring in my car, just to see what he thinks....

 

Exactly - wheel has to follow road surface's shape and not jump. In fact too hard suspention ruins both weight shifting and stability.

I'm really looking forward I hope not to make your passenger's seat smelly

 

Leather is wipe clean, it's puke in the carpet I'm worried about .

 

I've driven with some rallydrivers and never puked or fainted so far... I was only near hear failure couple of weeks ago when my older friend was in a hurry through the mountains in rallye monte carlo conditions (mix of snow and tarmac) in a Subaru Legacy on a road he has driven for 20 years or so (knew it by heart)...

I hope the Ring will have at least as much emotions Should I bring my helmet and fireproof stuff?