Drunken Master

Hi, i currently have a focus 1.8 zetec and now i've came off age and means to get something decent. These are the options i've been weighing up for a trade in.

Focus RS

Civic Type R

Basically you can get a decent civic for 10k. And for the RS i'd be looking at around 14k i've saved up enough money to buy either but i'm just wondering if i'd be justified in paying the extra 4k? Performance wise on paper there very much a-like. I've only had a test drive in the civic curerently due to the rarety of the RS.

I was impressed with the drive of type r. Although i felt the steering felt less responsive/involving. I couldn't exactly tell what was going on when cornering. And the brakes wern't overly impressive either. Although the performance seemed to be there and when it hits around 6krpm it's at it's peak untill around 8krmp. Although this was nice untill you get to the 6krpm performance doesn't feel much better than my 1.8.

So basically i wanted to ask for your views as i'm sure a few of you have actually driven the RS. Do you think whats lacking in the type r can be found in the RS??

Thanks for taking the time to read this look fowards to reading your posts.

Drunken Master

EIL132

Type R is the bench mark for FWD hot hatches, figure it out

Benni

Focus RS Much more torque etc and a better car

YoungMatt

If you didn't find the brakes and steering impressive on the CTR. Get the FRS. Still the best FWD hot hatch made IMO

Daviet

type r integra maybe is.the civic typeR's arnt quick i think and also cost alot if you do want more power.will probably break alot less than the focus

Physio

Focus Rs mate - civic type r's are soooo common it's unreal & look shite compared to the focus rs!

The civic will probably more reliable though.

BM08

Id go for the focus rs aswell if i had the choice out of them too, just think the performance is slightly better and better looking car/ more exclusive etc. Dont know about you lot but when i see a civic type r on the road i dont really bat an eye anymore because i see so many, but when i see a focus rs i always break my neck trying to look at it

EIL132

Integra R is a waste of time .Think it's the other way round The Civic is the better all round people, lets not pretend. It is the daddy of FWD hatches and since when did better looking become a criteria in performance

aduz

civic type r

Badman38

iTrader: (2)

def the focus rs no Comparison between the two the focus is faster, looks the part i'm not saying the civic does'nt but the focus got that wow factor cheaper to Modify, better standard package, well if i had the choice i would take the focus rs over the civic

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Driven both many many times and couldnt live with the crappy unresponsive engine in teh Civic TBH. You have to wring its fooking neck to get it to go... like having a T4 without the power

Those suggesting the Civic, have you actually driven a FRS in anger? Its a far different beast to what most expect, its a VERY good package indeed.

Paddy

If you cut me in half in my day job, I'd have honda written through me. When I sell one, I do it knowing full well I won't have the customer come whinging back about something breaking on it or reliability issues

Having said that, I'd choose the Focus RS even though it's BOUND to cost more in upkeep no matter what anyone may tell you.

The Type R's are brilliant, but obviously lack the torque you get in the RS, which IMO is far more exciting doing 60 and feeling like you are, than having to look down at the speedo to see what you're doing

Like Stu said, you have to drive the vtec engine a bit harder to get more out of it, but it also means you can drive it very sensibly and get good economy and that's what they're built for I suppose

JRST

FOCUS RS.

NathR

Can't be arsed to go into it, do a search but Focus RS easy. Far more tuning potential, less common and holds its value faaaaaarr better. Both fantastic hatches though.

User 32922

As said above Focus RS

i tried the Type R and R32 and bought the RS

since when has the Civic been the bench mark? as said before you have to rag the nuts out of the civic to get it going

all 3 are great cars though

Paul

Kev.H

Standard v Standard Civic is as fast and engine is way smoother but all round FRS is better

Terry Tibbs

Focus RS, different kettle of fish.. Hate all this revving bollocks, they sound shit when they rev high and go all raspy.. HATE IT! get the low down grunt from the Focus anyday

RSPTG

Buy the civic.......







































...keep it for a couple of months....























then go by the RS when you've realised your mistake

Kev.H

Civic is a great car and revving the tits off it is mega fun fit a AEM CAI and hey presto it sounds like a race car

pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don

User 32922

Wrong again Kev based on the fact they de-vaule quicker than i can eat a big mac

RichardPON

Focus RS over the civic every time for me.........

St3V3_C

I'd take the Focus.

BUT can you really get one for Ł14k

Staffi

iTrader: (1)

I think this answers you question then FRS

Spax

Yep my mate got one for Ł13,500

Then swapped it for that nice Cosworth Transit in this months Fast Ford

Kev.H

Ive had both and the civic aint that bad a car, engine is so sweet but FRS like i said is the don

stonehavencossie

Save a bit more and get the focus st for some turbo power

morto

not this one again

focus rs all the way this car will hold its money and the type r will not be worth nothing

the rs is class the type r is jap

my main ford dealer tells me that the rs badge is dead so the focus rs is the last of the line well for now think of the rs focus as a investment
iv got a mint fiests rsturbo sat in my garage worth around 3800, 4000. the point im making is the focus wont devalue

andy

morto

p.s went out in the new st focus the other day and........ it was awsome mate, 2.5 volvo turbo unit the inside is beautifull 18500 quid but still will not hold its money like a rs focus ..why ? it doesent have the rs badge and doesent have the pedigree

andy

User 32922

i know u did nice red one wasn't it?

you made the right choice in the end though

Kev.H

I like the ST but look at the Mk1 Focus ST an 02 plate is now about 7k and didnt they cost the same the Type R and a cheap one of them is 9k

ST residuals in 3 years kin shocking

be a great second hand buy

morto

lets get things right about the type r power,, its not that fast . i have a well set up 180/190 erst and will easly stay with any type r granted when it comes to corners the type r is very good but not as good as a focus, now the other thing is what stu said .. to get power out of the type r you have to ring its bolloks abit like a superbike power only at high revs why? cus torque is only produced at the bottom of the revs so to get the same power out of the focus you dont need to ring it as the focus develops its power at the bottom of the revs..the one thing you notice when drivin n/a cars is how many revs you need to get them to go , but the type r is even worse cus of vv only come into play at massive revs..

andy

Kev.H

dude the typre's engine is designed to rev it loves it and thats how it needs to be driven vry hard and infact round town it drives better than a FRS and in standard form there is nothing init I had a few run is with my type R and frs's and it was even stevens infact if anything the R would creep very slightly away

But the FRS is way better all round brakes handling and easy to get power and when modified its a different story FRS as standard was a shockingly horrible car to drive I found coming from a type R

Andreas

And it was beaten by several seconds on Top Gears test track by the RS.

morto

i think that the end of the day if you like a car that has to be red lined b4 it goes ,well thats the car for you , but for me thers no tunning caperbilities and no class mate..
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andy

Kev.H

cos Ford have buckets of class

It's Czech Mate

FRS was a limited production run hence the high-ish residuals

ST is a mass production car so there will be a good supply and they'll lose monety hand over fist ( goody goody )

Nothing about the badge alone will make it hold it's value

Look at the amount of RS Turbo shitters that can be had for a few grand

I'm not knocking the RS, it's my choice too but your logic is flawed

As for your Fiesta as an example I think it was about Ł13k new so Ł4k now is hardly an investment is it

festa_si

they are both decent cars but id av the frs it looks the nuts and goes like fook!

Mr Brannen

The thing is if I go out for a five minute drive now, I can guarantee that I will see a Type R , can I honestly say the same aboot the Focus RS,













Oh and a much better looking car by the way



PS, You did notice you are logged on to a ford site

Drunken Master

Thanks for all the response on this. It's hard to decide i know i'd rather own the FRS thats a fact. But it's just the extra 4k i'd be paying on top for a car of the same year/mileage etc.

Well once i find a FRS for sale in my area i'm going to take the dip try it out and give it a test drive. And who knows.....

Watch this space

It's Czech Mate

Well it all depends on how long you plan to keep it? If it's about three years then the CTR will lose 4 grand more than the focus for sure