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Old 07-03-2006, 06:05 PM
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Just finished off the Cossie and went for a quick drive...it is lovely ...BUT i noticed on my fuel pressure gauge at tick over it goes to about 38psi which my escos does too which is normal...but when you reach 0psi it should read around 50psi..well does on the Escos..on this saff the gauge dont move at 0psi... All vacuum pipes connected and its a brand new regulator!
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So it stays at 38 from idle to 1 bar absolute is what your saying?
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Yes Stu and when i took the vacuum pipe off it still stayed at that pressure
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That suggests one of three things:

1) The vac pipe leaks.
2) The engine doesnt draw much vac due to cams etc.
3) The reg is faulty.
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Stu if i run it without the vacuum pipe what should it do?

Is number 2 good or bad?

Is the reg under warrantry?
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Without the pipe, it should run 3.5bar static pressure and not change apart from very minor fluctuations.

When you put teh pipe on, it should drop to less than that.

When you run boost, it should see more than that.

No:2 is bad for driveability, but some engine specs demand it. A boost gauge will soon confirm or deny this though.

Warranty?
After you fitted it?










Of course it is.
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The boost gauge reads perfect...although i cant get it on boost as i am running in..and its a T4 remember so way outside my running in limit

If i had a vacuum leak wouldnt it tickover higher etc?

The gauge dont move over 37psi full stop pipe on or off????

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You can run it in with a few psi Phil, what do you think they did with RS500s 20yrs ago? Same goes for all new engines, dont pussy em around with no boost.

You need to see whats going on when pressure is applied IMO as with a very low vac signal, it may well do very little indeed.
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Stu you are saying without the vacuum pipe on it should run 52psi...mine runs 37psi...surely that confirms a regulator fault?..Ok once i connect and i have very little vacuum then ok it may not do much...but then this would mean its factory set wrong?
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BTTT...is the reg faulty or i done something wrong????

I know most dont have a fuel pressure gauge....i think this could be a stark reminder to get one...as imagine if the reg is faulty or something else...the car runs FINE but if i was boosting its certain melt down very soon and bang goes alot of CASH due to 37psi fuel pressure
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Phil, where is the fuel sensor located?
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In the fuel line....as per the Escos LOL...
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Stu you are saying without the vacuum pipe on it should run 52psi...mine runs 37psi...surely that confirms a regulator fault?..Ok once i connect and i have very little vacuum then ok it may not do much...but then this would mean its factory set wrong?
as said above, at idle with vac pipe off, fuel pressure should be 52 psi (3.5 bar) if running standard fuel pressure.

With vac pipe attatched, this normally drops down to 44 psi (3 bar) at idle, this isn't an exact figure as different engines will have different vacuum pressure acting on the pressure regulator, but it should be 52 psi when you hit 0 psi.

Have you tried adjusting the regulator to get the correct settings? Maybe it wasn't set to 3.5 bar absolute when it was built?
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Wes fair enuff but most dont have a fuel pressure gauge so find that totally disturbing i have to adjust it ..As said even if it was under adjusted it should still move...it is AGAIN...37psi with pipe ON and OFF plus driving it to 0psi static 37psi...its like a N/A one

Got to bung a pump on it tommorrow to see if it rises.
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was going to say...... could the pump be at fault ???? just a guess
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Why not just take it to someone else and get them to fix it instead of fiddling about with it all yourself.
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Could be a faulty reg, but then, it could be a faulty gauge too.
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Ryan where is the fun in that? ...Some bell ends on here nowadays ..not just me

Gauge works in the escos
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Gauge works in the escos
Irrelevant in my experience. Try another gauge as ive seen more faulty gauges than i have new fuel regs.
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...gonna try that later ...i would guess its unlikely the fpr is faulty as i have driven the car to work today and runs fine.
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Keep me informed please, even if its only so i know when to ignore the telephone
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I put 15psi into the regulator with engine running via a pump and the gauge didnt move from 37psi...is that gauge or Reg?..I need to be 100% sure....

BTW i did call today and got answer phone maybe you knew it was me via caller display!
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
I put 15psi into the regulator with engine running via a pump and the gauge didnt move from 37psi...is that gauge or Reg?..I need to be 100% sure....

BTW i did call today and got answer phone maybe you knew it was me via caller display!
May be time to get a pro involved Phil if you dont have the equipment to answer that yourself...

Answerphone has been on since i saw this topic, just in case...
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I would assume seeing as it held that pressure the reg is working properly.....but i will go order that innovative AFR kit today that will then give me the equipment
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Minor appology due in that case, as i presumed you had that MOTEC AFR machine still, but hadnt thought of using it
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LOL....no i sold that when i was giving up Cossies...just ordered the LM1 kit will arrive tommorrow Find out for sure wether its gauge or reg
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Its less than a tenner for a basic gauge from a local hydraulics firm compete with fitings.

Just connect a cheap and cheerful gauge like that up in the engine bay, and compare it to the other gauge, then you know if the gauge is working or not.

You dont even need the engine running to test it if you use a footpump.

Far safer IMHO than taking it out and driving it to check if the gauge is working.
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Sounds to me like your gauge is faulty or not fitted correctly.

For the pressure not to rise or fall with vacuum/boost would indicate the regulator internal diaphragm was split and if this was the case with the fuel pump running fuel would be forced out of the vacuum union on top of the reg.
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and if the diaphram was split, then you would also misfire like a bastard
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Cheers Karl...i know its got to be the gauge....Needed the AFR set up anyway to see how good the map is.

Car runs mint BTW .....
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Originally Posted by Karl
Sounds to me like your gauge is faulty or not fitted correctly.

For the pressure not to rise or fall with vacuum/boost would indicate the regulator internal diaphragm was split and if this was the case with the fuel pump running fuel would be forced out of the vacuum union on top of the reg.
Unless the plunger is jammed solid, which ive seen a couple of times.
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Phil get out and give the thing a bit of stick man
Yes you need to be carefull when running-in but for things to be in properly its needs a little lead foot occasionaly

Also have you checked the metal fuel pipes front to rear to make sure neither has had a jack under it?
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are the flow and return the right way around?
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
are the flow and return the right way around?
oh, good point, ive seen people do that before!
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
are the flow and return the right way around?




LOL...not possible on a 4x4 reg!.....I may be stupid....
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Originally Posted by GARETH T
are the flow and return the right way around?




LOL...not possible on a 4x4 reg!.....I may be stupid....
not possible on the reg,, but more than possible where the hoeses join the solid hoses
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I see what you mean Gareth ...BUT for 500 plus you need a bigger fuel line really...hence -6 braided from pump to rail
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theres my idea gone then


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