Had fuelling set up...melted a piston on the way home :(
#83
Originally Posted by XRT_si
Yeah cheers chip really helpful (slaps forehead)
Could it really be the headgasket? It was thick positvely blue smoke?
Could it really be the headgasket? It was thick positvely blue smoke?
#86
Originally Posted by James
i could be wrong here but if you've done a compression test and got 20psi then surely the piston hasn't melted?
i'd be inclined to investigate head gasket failure from what you have said.
i'd be inclined to investigate head gasket failure from what you have said.
cheers jay
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Originally Posted by jaycos
Originally Posted by James
i could be wrong here but if you've done a compression test and got 20psi then surely the piston hasn't melted?
i'd be inclined to investigate head gasket failure from what you have said.
i'd be inclined to investigate head gasket failure from what you have said.
cheers jay
#88
The gunk coming out of the oil breather would have got me looking at the gasket first!
Fair enough a little bit around the oil filler cap (if left outside) but you shouldn't see it in the breather!
Fair enough a little bit around the oil filler cap (if left outside) but you shouldn't see it in the breather!
#89
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by jaycos
Originally Posted by James
i could be wrong here but if you've done a compression test and got 20psi then surely the piston hasn't melted?
i'd be inclined to investigate head gasket failure from what you have said.
i'd be inclined to investigate head gasket failure from what you have said.
cheers jay
well spank me silly never seen that before
cheers jay
#90
Ive seen exactly what Stu is on about, the edge of the piston melted away, but the rings were still in place, so at low speeds (cranking) it was fine and compression wasnt down by much, but feck me did the bastard smoke
It looked like it was James Bond driving round castle coombe when i was doing my last lap after it melted!
It looked like it was James Bond driving round castle coombe when i was doing my last lap after it melted!
#91
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Finally:
Due to Fords security and way of doing things, i only know of 3 people in the UK who can truly map these systems out on the road live with an Emulator and get results. Many tuners say they can and then just throw chips in and out hoping for the best, and its often not until the owner sees real hardware emulation equipment hooked into his car that it dawns on him his cars at yet another tuners because it was never mapped live to start with and thus problems with ofab & c rumours "Even when live mapped" begin to circulate.... lol
Take care out there...
Due to Fords security and way of doing things, i only know of 3 people in the UK who can truly map these systems out on the road live with an Emulator and get results. Many tuners say they can and then just throw chips in and out hoping for the best, and its often not until the owner sees real hardware emulation equipment hooked into his car that it dawns on him his cars at yet another tuners because it was never mapped live to start with and thus problems with ofab & c rumours "Even when live mapped" begin to circulate.... lol
Take care out there...
Also isn;t the equipment to map then stupid ammounts of money?
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Originally Posted by sexy-aRSe
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Finally:
Due to Fords security and way of doing things, i only know of 3 people in the UK who can truly map these systems out on the road live with an Emulator and get results. Many tuners say they can and then just throw chips in and out hoping for the best, and its often not until the owner sees real hardware emulation equipment hooked into his car that it dawns on him his cars at yet another tuners because it was never mapped live to start with and thus problems with ofab & c rumours "Even when live mapped" begin to circulate.... lol
Take care out there...
Due to Fords security and way of doing things, i only know of 3 people in the UK who can truly map these systems out on the road live with an Emulator and get results. Many tuners say they can and then just throw chips in and out hoping for the best, and its often not until the owner sees real hardware emulation equipment hooked into his car that it dawns on him his cars at yet another tuners because it was never mapped live to start with and thus problems with ofab & c rumours "Even when live mapped" begin to circulate.... lol
Take care out there...
Also isn;t the equipment to map then stupid ammounts of money?
Equiptment costs vary, and as i can map 99% of the systems in the world with an eprom mine cost Ł30K and we spend more on it EVERY month.
#94
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by sexy-aRSe
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Finally:
Due to Fords security and way of doing things, i only know of 3 people in the UK who can truly map these systems out on the road live with an Emulator and get results. Many tuners say they can and then just throw chips in and out hoping for the best, and its often not until the owner sees real hardware emulation equipment hooked into his car that it dawns on him his cars at yet another tuners because it was never mapped live to start with and thus problems with ofab & c rumours "Even when live mapped" begin to circulate.... lol
Take care out there...
Due to Fords security and way of doing things, i only know of 3 people in the UK who can truly map these systems out on the road live with an Emulator and get results. Many tuners say they can and then just throw chips in and out hoping for the best, and its often not until the owner sees real hardware emulation equipment hooked into his car that it dawns on him his cars at yet another tuners because it was never mapped live to start with and thus problems with ofab & c rumours "Even when live mapped" begin to circulate.... lol
Take care out there...
Also isn;t the equipment to map then stupid ammounts of money?
#95
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Detonation down the sides of the piston will normally leave quite a lot at starter motor speeds. In fact, ive seen one with full compression, even iwith a leakdown test and it was like a skeleton....
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Detonation down the sides of the piston will normally leave quite a lot at starter motor speeds. In fact, ive seen one with full compression, even iwith a leakdown test and it was like a skeleton....
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Originally Posted by Cliff S1
Some great reading here.
Rob and SCC have worked on my car many a time and I have the utmost respect for them as it has been nothing short of excellent
Rob and SCC have worked on my car many a time and I have the utmost respect for them as it has been nothing short of excellent
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Never had any complaints from SCC in the three years I've been using them. That's why I'm more than happy to have their name in my Sig.
Always proffesional and do a top job which is why they now get both my RS's and Audi, my bro's FRST, my mum's 2i and several other friends car collection
Always proffesional and do a top job which is why they now get both my RS's and Audi, my bro's FRST, my mum's 2i and several other friends car collection
#101
OK LETS GET ON THING STRAIGHT HERE !!!
this was not a name and shame post at all, this was a post to determine IF the cars fuel presure was down WOULD a garage in a set up check the fuel flow of the PUMP or JUST TURN IT UP !!!!!
the car as NOT done a head gasket,,,,,,,,,,, pat at scc actually tested the turbo for play EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS MAYONAISE COMMING OUT OF THE FUCKING BREATHER SYSTEM, he said it MIGHT be the turbo has just given up and then said there was play in the shaft so it might be that,,,,,, the i asked rob if he could comp test it JUST to be sure as it smelled and acted like a piston to me,,,,,,,, AND IM A FUCKING IDIOT WHO KNOWS NOTHING
the rad PISSING out water so bad that he header tank NEVER needed filling up or went past the min stage since we drove from chingford to central london IN TRAFFIC to pick me up and never over heated AS SCC HAD THE CAR RUNNING ON IDLE FOR AGES
the car was running BADLY,,,,,,,,,, rob when we picked the car up you quoted how RAPID it felt and that it appeared more than 200bhp when you drove it , cant have ran that bad then
what you are impyling rob is that the car is a shite box that has been bodged and clutching at straws cause the car MELTED driving out of yours within 2 miles
NOW lets see was this ginger prick thinks it COULD be,,,,,,,,,, AND ITS NOT SCC'S FAULT BTW
i BELIVE the fuel pump was failing hence the low fuel presure and YOU just turned it up WHERE what COULD have happend was to check the fuel flow to see if that was the reason BEFORE you upped the presure
now when thats gone up its cause MORE problems to the pump and its LEANED IT OUT WHEN DRIVING NORMAL as its gone soo lean and number 4 has let go POSSIBLY number 3 too as that had oil smoke comming out of it when the plug was removed
NOW the point in question was DID you NOT check the fueling when there was a problem OR did you just turn the presure up and take it for a BREIF spin and not test ON BOOST AT HIGH GEARS WITH LOAD ( foot on brake when on boost ect)
now this IS NOT SCC"S fault that the pump failed,,,,,,,,, but it IS that SCC never checked the condition of the pump if thats what failed,,,,,,,,, think about it fairly,,,,,,,,,,, if your rear brake pads worn on a sierra cosworth then just by experience the mechanic would test for seized caliper
with the fuel presure low would that not cause to check to see if the fuel presure reg was leaking OR the pump voltage/flow
otherwise whats the point paying for a set up to check fueling if you check it with a AFR, find its low and so turn up the presure to match
that was what i belive they question was and the reason we never mentioned SCC was cause if it was a pump failure then its not there fault that it melted but there system for checking the fueling on setting uo seems unsual
when i went to MSD stu set up my fucking ropey cossie,,,,,, he checked the map aswell which he did cause he had access too aswell as checked for boost leaks,,,,,,,, and found the boost leaked, he also commented on thing that he NEVER was paied for,,,,,, the rear pads look worn by 80%, front discs warped,,, changed 140 quid of iridium plugs for 10 quid 071's as they aint suited for the spec aswell as tested the car at full chat AND THEN TOOK ME OUT IN IT to see if i noticed a change, he done that witrh another guy of here aswell and noticed the fuel presure reg was leaking as he tests for things like that too
i just assumed that ALL set ups are done like this and you take your car to a place and tell them what you think and in return you get told there its lots more
if the pump was failing then would low fuel presure be a sign as well as maybe the voltage to the pump could be low due to speaker cable used to wire the fuel pump ( not on this car btw but a car whe seen a while ago )
simon IS NOT BOTHERED that the engines let go after it left SCC, just that he feels there was a problem with the car that wasnt spotted or miss diagnosed and as a result hes zetec plans are now having to come forward
that why SCC wasnt mentioned as it COULD be a thing thats not checked for just like the fuel filter is no checked if its clean on a set up
sorry for the long post as im trying not to do one but read what is says and then decide if you understand what he means
again i appologise
this was not a name and shame post at all, this was a post to determine IF the cars fuel presure was down WOULD a garage in a set up check the fuel flow of the PUMP or JUST TURN IT UP !!!!!
the car as NOT done a head gasket,,,,,,,,,,, pat at scc actually tested the turbo for play EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS MAYONAISE COMMING OUT OF THE FUCKING BREATHER SYSTEM, he said it MIGHT be the turbo has just given up and then said there was play in the shaft so it might be that,,,,,, the i asked rob if he could comp test it JUST to be sure as it smelled and acted like a piston to me,,,,,,,, AND IM A FUCKING IDIOT WHO KNOWS NOTHING
the rad PISSING out water so bad that he header tank NEVER needed filling up or went past the min stage since we drove from chingford to central london IN TRAFFIC to pick me up and never over heated AS SCC HAD THE CAR RUNNING ON IDLE FOR AGES
the car was running BADLY,,,,,,,,,, rob when we picked the car up you quoted how RAPID it felt and that it appeared more than 200bhp when you drove it , cant have ran that bad then
what you are impyling rob is that the car is a shite box that has been bodged and clutching at straws cause the car MELTED driving out of yours within 2 miles
NOW lets see was this ginger prick thinks it COULD be,,,,,,,,,, AND ITS NOT SCC'S FAULT BTW
i BELIVE the fuel pump was failing hence the low fuel presure and YOU just turned it up WHERE what COULD have happend was to check the fuel flow to see if that was the reason BEFORE you upped the presure
now when thats gone up its cause MORE problems to the pump and its LEANED IT OUT WHEN DRIVING NORMAL as its gone soo lean and number 4 has let go POSSIBLY number 3 too as that had oil smoke comming out of it when the plug was removed
NOW the point in question was DID you NOT check the fueling when there was a problem OR did you just turn the presure up and take it for a BREIF spin and not test ON BOOST AT HIGH GEARS WITH LOAD ( foot on brake when on boost ect)
now this IS NOT SCC"S fault that the pump failed,,,,,,,,, but it IS that SCC never checked the condition of the pump if thats what failed,,,,,,,,, think about it fairly,,,,,,,,,,, if your rear brake pads worn on a sierra cosworth then just by experience the mechanic would test for seized caliper
with the fuel presure low would that not cause to check to see if the fuel presure reg was leaking OR the pump voltage/flow
otherwise whats the point paying for a set up to check fueling if you check it with a AFR, find its low and so turn up the presure to match
that was what i belive they question was and the reason we never mentioned SCC was cause if it was a pump failure then its not there fault that it melted but there system for checking the fueling on setting uo seems unsual
when i went to MSD stu set up my fucking ropey cossie,,,,,, he checked the map aswell which he did cause he had access too aswell as checked for boost leaks,,,,,,,, and found the boost leaked, he also commented on thing that he NEVER was paied for,,,,,, the rear pads look worn by 80%, front discs warped,,, changed 140 quid of iridium plugs for 10 quid 071's as they aint suited for the spec aswell as tested the car at full chat AND THEN TOOK ME OUT IN IT to see if i noticed a change, he done that witrh another guy of here aswell and noticed the fuel presure reg was leaking as he tests for things like that too
i just assumed that ALL set ups are done like this and you take your car to a place and tell them what you think and in return you get told there its lots more
if the pump was failing then would low fuel presure be a sign as well as maybe the voltage to the pump could be low due to speaker cable used to wire the fuel pump ( not on this car btw but a car whe seen a while ago )
simon IS NOT BOTHERED that the engines let go after it left SCC, just that he feels there was a problem with the car that wasnt spotted or miss diagnosed and as a result hes zetec plans are now having to come forward
that why SCC wasnt mentioned as it COULD be a thing thats not checked for just like the fuel filter is no checked if its clean on a set up
sorry for the long post as im trying not to do one but read what is says and then decide if you understand what he means
again i appologise
#103
Originally Posted by big_wig_074
well,scc have CERTAINLY been named now!
hope this dont turn out too expensive btw!
hope this dont turn out too expensive btw!
SCC was named by them though,,,,, and i hope rob knows that was wasnt out to cause trouble at all, just get ideas ect
as for it being costly,,,,,,, in all honesty the engine was a mule engine that we never expected to last 6 months,,,,,,,, its lasted a year so i sugested to get the fueling checked to see if my first engine porting job and drilling the CPS was working OK and if the engine let go then we know theres no come back,,,,,,,,,, just that if the fuel pump was fooked wouldnt it still have been lean when they upped the presure and took it out again,,,,,, especially as it melted 2 miles later whilst not under load,,,,,,, nor racing
just like to add that alot of my mates use SCC,,,,,,, my best mate is good friends of robs and i would not post up to start a problem when its a close friend of one of my best mates out of respect at the least thing
but read my post and ask yourself what would you think or ask ?
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Originally Posted by b19bal
IF the cars fuel presure was down WOULD a garage in a set up check the fuel flow of the PUMP or JUST TURN IT UP !!!!!
Originally Posted by b19bal
AND IM A FUCKING IDIOT WHO KNOWS NOTHING
Originally Posted by b19bal
the rad PISSING out water so bad that he header tank NEVER needed filling up or went past the min stage since we drove from chingford to central london IN TRAFFIC to pick me up and never over heated AS SCC HAD THE CAR RUNNING ON IDLE FOR AGES
Originally Posted by b19bal
the car was running BADLY,,,,,,,,,, rob when we picked the car up you quoted how RAPID it felt and that it appeared more than 200bhp when you drove it , cant have ran that bad then
was fine when i drove it - no signs of smoke etc.... Other than the idle issue that required further investigation
Originally Posted by b19bal
what you are impyling rob is that the car is a shite box that has been bodged and clutching at straws cause the car MELTED driving out of yours within 2 miles
why do i need to clutch at straws
probably melted whilst going down that road between two roundabouts (you know that really long dual carriage way - good for a top speed run )
Originally Posted by b19bal
i BELIVE the fuel pump was failing hence the low fuel presure and YOU just turned it up WHERE what COULD have happend was to check the fuel flow to see if that was the reason BEFORE you upped the presure
now when thats gone up its cause MORE problems to the pump and its LEANED IT OUT WHEN DRIVING NORMAL as its gone soo lean and number 4 has let go POSSIBLY number 3 too as that had oil smoke comming out of it when the plug was removed
now when thats gone up its cause MORE problems to the pump and its LEANED IT OUT WHEN DRIVING NORMAL as its gone soo lean and number 4 has let go POSSIBLY number 3 too as that had oil smoke comming out of it when the plug was removed
Originally Posted by b19bal
NOW the point in question was DID you NOT check the fueling when there was a problem OR did you just turn the presure up and take it for a BREIF spin and not test ON BOOST AT HIGH GEARS WITH LOAD ( foot on brake when on boost ect)
Originally Posted by b19bal
now this IS NOT SCC"S fault that the pump failed,,,,,,,,, but it IS that SCC never checked the condition of the pump if thats what failed,,,,,,,,, think about it fairly,,,,,,,,,,, if your rear brake pads worn on a sierra cosworth then just by experience the mechanic would test for seized caliper
Originally Posted by b19bal
with the fuel presure low would that not cause to check to see if the fuel presure reg was leaking OR the pump voltage/flow
Originally Posted by b19bal
otherwise whats the point paying for a set up to check fueling if you check it with a AFR, find its low and so turn up the presure to match
We checked the fuel pressure before it was roadtested and it was low....
Originally Posted by b19bal
that why SCC wasnt mentioned as it COULD be a thing thats not checked for just like the fuel filter is no checked if its clean on a set up
Hope that answers your questions
#105
rob what was the AFR when you tested the car after upping the presure
would a set up not check for potential problems there COULD be in the car
the car is not used for top speed runs,,,,, the reason that simon DONT hold his car flat out is the FIRST TIME he did was racing me comming back from central day and he melted the car,,,,,,,,, theres also a very good reason why we never ragged the car home too,,,,,,,, that road its VERY greasy as you know and the car torque steers like a cunt due to no LSD box,,,,,,,,,, as much as you may belive he held it flat out i promise he NEVER,,,,,,,,,,, i WOULD have but most of may mates are more into the turbo rush to show off at lights to there 16 year old girl friends
rob the point is not that the engine failed,,,,,,,,,, you know that i fitted the engine a year ago to get him about whilst he builds another engine but it held together for some reason,,,,,,, im annoyed as that was a engine that I personally bodged with my testing mechanics and it was running fine and fuel pump on its way out wasnt noticed by a pro when checking the fueling as i assumed that it would have been checked if there was a issue,,,,,,,,, but thats obviously not what happens in a set up
the price was irelevent too as he came there with MORE than 60 quid in his bank,,,,,,,,, if you found a problem then he would have paied for it,,,,,, if it required longer to check to be safe as melting in 4 weeks after would have been anoying, doing it when leaving is just,,,,,,,,, well feels wrong
you take your car to fords and get it serviced and they notice the fuel presure is low,,,,,,, if they upped it and it melted cause the pump was actually at fault what would happen ????
i just feel you have missed a problem with the car,,,,, thats all,,,,,,, checking the turbo BEFORE doing a comp test just worried me more as well as the comment " all turbo engines let go at the drop of a hat",,,,,,,, melting aint the same as letting go
the reason for not mentioning SCC is that i felt that it was NOT your fault it failed,,,,,,,,, if we never went to you it would have happened in the future OBVIOUSLY,,,,,,, just i feel you missed what seemed a simple thing but that is with hindsight and so could be seen as unfair,,,,,,, hence the post requesting what it could be caused by and would it have been checked before
would a set up not check for potential problems there COULD be in the car
the car is not used for top speed runs,,,,, the reason that simon DONT hold his car flat out is the FIRST TIME he did was racing me comming back from central day and he melted the car,,,,,,,,, theres also a very good reason why we never ragged the car home too,,,,,,,, that road its VERY greasy as you know and the car torque steers like a cunt due to no LSD box,,,,,,,,,, as much as you may belive he held it flat out i promise he NEVER,,,,,,,,,,, i WOULD have but most of may mates are more into the turbo rush to show off at lights to there 16 year old girl friends
rob the point is not that the engine failed,,,,,,,,,, you know that i fitted the engine a year ago to get him about whilst he builds another engine but it held together for some reason,,,,,,, im annoyed as that was a engine that I personally bodged with my testing mechanics and it was running fine and fuel pump on its way out wasnt noticed by a pro when checking the fueling as i assumed that it would have been checked if there was a issue,,,,,,,,, but thats obviously not what happens in a set up
the price was irelevent too as he came there with MORE than 60 quid in his bank,,,,,,,,, if you found a problem then he would have paied for it,,,,,, if it required longer to check to be safe as melting in 4 weeks after would have been anoying, doing it when leaving is just,,,,,,,,, well feels wrong
you take your car to fords and get it serviced and they notice the fuel presure is low,,,,,,, if they upped it and it melted cause the pump was actually at fault what would happen ????
i just feel you have missed a problem with the car,,,,, thats all,,,,,,, checking the turbo BEFORE doing a comp test just worried me more as well as the comment " all turbo engines let go at the drop of a hat",,,,,,,, melting aint the same as letting go
the reason for not mentioning SCC is that i felt that it was NOT your fault it failed,,,,,,,,, if we never went to you it would have happened in the future OBVIOUSLY,,,,,,, just i feel you missed what seemed a simple thing but that is with hindsight and so could be seen as unfair,,,,,,, hence the post requesting what it could be caused by and would it have been checked before
#106
as for plugs and filters being changed at each set up,,,,,,,, NO i dont actually, i change them personally each year or when i fit a new engine,,,, the fuel filter is recomended by fords to be changed every 6 years,,, i could be wrong though,,,,,,,, and the plugs also recomended every 3 years
so changing them after 6 months and 4k miles seems,,,,,,, well you hope to think that fords testing is more than that on ANY car,,,, thats when you forget that the efi fuel filter is twice the capacity as the cossie one
so changing them after 6 months and 4k miles seems,,,,,,, well you hope to think that fords testing is more than that on ANY car,,,, thats when you forget that the efi fuel filter is twice the capacity as the cossie one
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If there was anything seriously wrong with it we would have seen that on the AFR for it to melt without ragging it......
If it was so obvious then why didn't you notice ? to melt whilst driving normal a man with experiance such as yours would have noticed surely
The AFR's were high 11's when on boost,
If it was so obvious then why didn't you notice ? to melt whilst driving normal a man with experiance such as yours would have noticed surely
The AFR's were high 11's when on boost,
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
So car with leaky radiator, and old manky engine installed by Ginge blows up?
I'm restraining myself here Ginge
I'm restraining myself here Ginge
Think he said he ported the head and machined a std MFi head to suit efi andbuilt the engine too......
Go on let it go
#110
Originally Posted by RichardPON
So car with leaky radiator, and old manky engine installed by Ginge blows up?
I'm restraining myself here Ginge
I'm restraining myself here Ginge
just remember that JUST cause i PLAY the fool and i act the mug at a pub meet with banter that some i know DONT mean im actually that silly,,,,,,, just cause my personal views on here are not what people agree with dont mean i cant fit a engine,,,,,,, hell even that shonky cossie engine i bought as a mule engine whilst i rebuild a engine for it has had all new gaskets, oil seals, lifters and had the cams checked and properly timed for the spec i want
the only reason it was at SCC for was the check the fueling was SPOT ON,,, any other problems should have been brought up and a leaking rad for a few days ( as he never had time to swop it has he worked the weekend) could have just had rad weld poured in it to stop it as it was that minor,,,,,,,, it was not pissing out
pon the comments about me BODGING the engine was PURELY a pisstake,,,,,,, i measured EACH port with fluid to check the sizes and then removed all the covers from the hoses and took a piccy as a pisstake on here for the Cowboi conversions on his car for humor,,,,,,, its never missed and the only problem we could not solve was the high idle,,,,,,,,, that SCC had a issue with finding the reason too ( but i new it was gonna be a fooker to find out why as i spent a while looking at it )
this aint a slagg off a tuner post,,,,,,, this is a " what was checked and if so why was it soo soon before it melted" post
sure of your car failed soo soon after a set up you would ask that,,,,,,,,,, but then have you even fitted a engine thats ran after,,,,,,,, see its a boring joke aint it
#112
Originally Posted by Rob@SCC Performance
If there was anything seriously wrong with it we would have seen that on the AFR for it to melt without ragging it......
If it was so obvious then why didn't you notice ? to melt whilst driving normal a man with experiance such as yours would have noticed surely
The AFR's were high 11's when on boost,
If it was so obvious then why didn't you notice ? to melt whilst driving normal a man with experiance such as yours would have noticed surely
The AFR's were high 11's when on boost,
rob when your turned up the fuel presure what testing DID you do after it,,, thats the one im wondering about,,,,,,,, if you turned it up and breifly checked it then thats fine,,,,,,,,, you never tested it correctly IMO for what was asked and another item failed that you never knew about cause the test wasnt done properly then thats seriously fine
what we dont get is that you can test the AFR and its spot on even though the pump when we test it MAY have such a low fuel rate or have a bad connection/faulty wiring that it dont make sence that it was tested proper after
meaning a school boy error ( we all do em) but atleast it explains what happens............. its not like hes gonna sue a person who charged him 60 quid for a set up and the person made a mistake and the 100 quid engine failed is worth having a row about in all honesty,,,,,,,, its not like you have melted a 600bhp cossie ffs
as for my engine building,,,,,,,,the engine failed AFTER you checked the fueling,,,,,,,, thats NOTHING TO DO WITH ME,,,,,,,,,,,, would that not sugest you are at fault rather than me,,,,,,,, not to mention that it never melted untill you touched the fuel presure,,,,,,,,, how can that problem be aimed at me,,,,,,,, is it cause your a pro and dont make mistakes and i would cause i post comments on the net
#114
rob seriously simon aint bothered hence his post,,,,,, he feels let down that there a error that seems to me a minor problem missed by a profesional person with lots of experience,,,,,,,,, and also seems hard to belive aswell considering your experience too so we never mentioned who it was
im more anoyed as my engine project that was doomed actually worked and failed from such a silly thing that a AFR gauge in the car may have prevented but its not a gauge people buy,,,,,,,,,, but i will be buying one for my car now just incase
i do feel a engine health check would be fair before touching peoples cars so there aware of what is due to fail or "could" fail if its not looked at
but maybe you may do this for others in future,,,,,, maybe its not needed cause it never happens, i dont know as i sell car parts for a living and im not a mechanic
im more anoyed as my engine project that was doomed actually worked and failed from such a silly thing that a AFR gauge in the car may have prevented but its not a gauge people buy,,,,,,,,,, but i will be buying one for my car now just incase
i do feel a engine health check would be fair before touching peoples cars so there aware of what is due to fail or "could" fail if its not looked at
but maybe you may do this for others in future,,,,,, maybe its not needed cause it never happens, i dont know as i sell car parts for a living and im not a mechanic
#115
see pon you cant even comment on the engine that i done as it never failed through that and the reason it failed was the same reason it was at scc for,,,,,,,,, proving more that i not to blame and its just like blaming ima for a cam belt snapping when he fitted hes shock,,,,,, not related,, your just sticking up for a mate and i can respect that as well as your attempting to have a dig at me,,,,,,,,,, but this time its not working as i make sence on this im sure
#116
I wasn't doing anything of the sort.
I was just pointing out the irony of you laying the blame at someone's feet, when you installed the engine and associated parts, AND the car has a leaking rad.
It doesn't bode well now does it?
I was just pointing out the irony of you laying the blame at someone's feet, when you installed the engine and associated parts, AND the car has a leaking rad.
It doesn't bode well now does it?
#117
A few questions:
1. How many miles has this engine been in the car for?
2. Has it ever been setup?
3. Would increasing the fuel pressure cause this pump to fail?
4. If a car radiator is leaking to the extent its pissing out should the car not have been refused?
1. How many miles has this engine been in the car for?
2. Has it ever been setup?
3. Would increasing the fuel pressure cause this pump to fail?
4. If a car radiator is leaking to the extent its pissing out should the car not have been refused?
#118
pon the rad was leaking from friday night,,,,,, was dropping water that when he picked me up and we left for SCC we pulled over at the mcdonalds ( for a coffee as i dont do mornings ) and the water was not low,,,,,,, you know where i live and know that to come from chingford to there at 830 requires traffic and not to mention the drive almost past your house to get there,,,,,,,,,,, cant have been that bad OR the reason it failed,,,,,,,,, BUT ill admit does come across as bad maintanance,,,,,, even if that aint the reason why it failed but mis-diagnosis was that ANYONE could do tbh as the car was running fine,,,,,,,,,, just needed a extra 10 mins to look at the voltage or the flow and would have double checked if the fuel presure was actually low or the pump was faulty
just my opinion and i admit that i have a hooge advantage of hintsight adn im sure if rob new what would ahve happened it would probaly checked that too ,,,,,,,,,,, but its done now
just my opinion and i admit that i have a hooge advantage of hintsight adn im sure if rob new what would ahve happened it would probaly checked that too ,,,,,,,,,,, but its done now
#119
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[quote="b19bal"]rob how can i tell a engines gonna melt with NO afr gauge when a PRO like you needs one{/quote]
well your saying it had an obvious fault
How do you mean ???
When the pressure was turned up the car was running with the fuel pressure gauge on, we left it on whilst the idle co% etc was adjusted to suit and was removed before it went on roadtest with the wide band on it.... we did the adjustments BEFORE any roadtest was carried out.....
Could it not fail 8-10 miles later ?? who knows - it had 2 road tests after thepressure was adjusted.......
I find that VERY Very insulting, school boy error you fucking twat
I havent melted anything.........................
Maybe i should have left the fuel pressure low then
well your saying it had an obvious fault
Originally Posted by b19bal
rob when your turned up the fuel presure what testing DID you do after it,,, thats the one im wondering about,,,,,,,, if you turned it up and breifly checked it then thats fine,,,,,,,,, you never tested it correctly IMO for what was asked and another item failed that you never knew about cause the test wasnt done properly then thats seriously fine
When the pressure was turned up the car was running with the fuel pressure gauge on, we left it on whilst the idle co% etc was adjusted to suit and was removed before it went on roadtest with the wide band on it.... we did the adjustments BEFORE any roadtest was carried out.....
Originally Posted by b19bal
what we dont get is that you can test the AFR and its spot on even though the pump when we test it MAY have such a low fuel rate or have a bad connection/faulty wiring that it dont make sence that it was tested proper after
Originally Posted by b19bal
meaning a school boy error ( we all do em) but atleast it explains what happens............. its not like hes gonna sue a person who charged him 60 quid for a set up and the person made a mistake and the 100 quid engine failed is worth having a row about in all honesty,,,,,,,, its not like you have melted a 600bhp cossie ffs
I havent melted anything.........................
Originally Posted by b19bal
as for my engine building,,,,,,,,the engine failed AFTER you checked the fueling,,,,,,,, thats NOTHING TO DO WITH ME,,,,,,,,,,,, would that not sugest you are at fault rather than me,,,,,,,, not to mention that it never melted untill you touched the fuel presure,,,,,,,,, how can that problem be aimed at me,,,,,,,, is it cause your a pro and dont make mistakes and i would cause i post comments on the net
#120
Originally Posted by tonyk
A few questions:
1. How many miles has this engine been in the car for?
2. Has it ever been setup?
3. Would increasing the fuel pressure cause this pump to fail?
4. If a car radiator is leaking to the extent its pissing out should the car not have been refused?
1. How many miles has this engine been in the car for?
2. Has it ever been setup?
3. Would increasing the fuel pressure cause this pump to fail?
4. If a car radiator is leaking to the extent its pissing out should the car not have been refused?
he also just rags it in first and second usally racing saxos off thre lights hence his gearbox adiction
increasing the fuel presure would not ne the SOLE reason for it failing BUT may have pointed that the fuel pump was not upto it and turning it up would be like turning up the boost on a turbo with a leaking boost pipe i would have thought,,,,, over speed a turbo when theres another reason for it perhaps
the radiator wasnt pissing out and we did mention it aswell as them mentioning it and IF the failure was down to ANYTHING related ti the radiator then this post just shows what something simple in bad maintance can cause
its not the same as a leaking sump plug though imo,,,,,,,, remeber the engine melted