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Old 11-12-2018, 08:57 PM
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Default Wrong hub and stub shafts? Sierra based suspension

Apologies in advance but I'm here as a complete novice and non-Ford owner, however would very much appreciate your expertise.

I have a MGB GT that has been heavily modified (MX5 engine + TD04 turbo etc etc), and currently have a ford based rear independent suspension sold by Hoyle Suspensions. The suspension comes with its own sub-frame, and houses a Ford 7.5" Granada 3.6 Quaife LSD, custom half shafts, that then go on to a custom alloy hub carrier. The only true Ford parts are the stub shafts - 108mm Lobro -, rear alloy hub carriers with their supplied bearings - sold by Amebo engineering- and standard brake calipers.

However, the issue I am presently having is that if I tighten up the stub shaft nut to the recommended 200lb/ft, everything seizes up and I just cannot move the wheel at all. To get the wheel to move it (using both hands) is for the nut to be barely tight with minimal torque, I mean minimal, something like 20-30lb/ft.

My question to you guys, is could I have bought the wrong stub shafts and hub carriers?

Suspension website - http://www.hoyle-suspension.co.uk/Pa...uspension.html
Stub shafts - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-GRAN...-/131649886129

Stub shafts sold as 'Ford Granada Sierra 108 Lobro'

Hub carrier - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2WD-BILLET-REAR-HUB-CARRIERS-FOR-COSWORTH-RALLYCROSS-SIERRA-KITCAR/122227969467?epid=25014168268&hash=item1c755acdbb: g:qOAAAOxyUfFTkYGb:rk:2f:0

Hub carrier sold as '2WD BILLET REAR HUB CARRIERS FOR COSWORTH,RALLYCROSS/SIERRA/KITCAR'

Are the hub and stub shaft not compatible with each other?

Many thanks!

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Old 12-12-2018, 11:29 AM
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Those look like the MK billet hubs. Can you simply back them off a little until they move, allow them to bed in and then re-check?
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Spoke to Anembo Engineering and they have said they had a few bad batches of hub carriers with issues and asked for it to be returned to them so they can have a look.
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This is the second time I have seen this. The bearing stop on the inside is too thick. Easy fix but not good.
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Originally Posted by markk
This is the second time I have seen this. The bearing stop on the inside is too thick. Easy fix but not good.
Oh really? Is this an issue with this particularly bearing carrier then?
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Only in that someone has copied the OE Ford one incorrectly.
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I imagine anembo can get it corrected for you.
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Had the same problem with the rear bearing carriers and had to send them back to get adjusted, they did it for free and were very helpful.

Also check that the bearing seal is drifted in far enough, mine wasn't and still caused binding.
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These are Anembo made ones apparently. I am sure it is an easy fix for him to do.
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Sent it back to Anembo and he very diligently fitted them up to his jig and found no issue with the bearings or carriers....what the hell is wrong with the suspension then?

Could the Quaife LSD have been rebuilt wrongly? It’s fairly stiff to turn without the hub carriers as is, but I sort of thought that would happen with a LSD?

I’ll take any suggestions at this point!
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Split the shaft, bolt the 1/4 into the hub and torque it up. That will test the bearing carrier.
Anything else is in the diff.
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My front quaife lsd was really tight for first 250 ish miles, a 3 point turn felt like the handbrake was fully on...it loosened up though.
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Just thought I’d update this thread in case someone 10 yrs down the line has the same issue.

I haven’t yet confirmed if I’m correct but it all points to simple stupidity on my part, I’d read on different forums that the load spreader plates that sit on the CV joint and spread the load over the thin CV tin boot were pointless...and pointless as they may be, the bolts included with the new stub shafts assumed you were fitting the damn load spreader plates so they are too long without the plates. Once you start loading up the hub nut they bloody grip on to the inside hub.

Result is I’ve got the inside of the hub being chaffed away by the 2-3mm oversized bolts. I must add that the hubs are aluminium and bolts 12.9HT, needless to say who won that battle. I don’t think it’s an issue with the hubs having a little groove rubbed off on the inside as there’s no matting surface affected, but it certainly is a learning point.

These spreader loads are quite hard to find but I’ve managed to get some on eBay. Will update again once these arrive to see if they’ve sorted the problem - shame it will be a long wait now with Christmas holidays.
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Could you not have just ground 3mm off the existing bolts?
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Good write up. I always wondered the significance of the plates
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Good that you found the issue

One thing to watch is the after market metal CV boot carrier part that goes over the joint doesn't tend to have the same shape as the original Ford parts.

I bought some stainless load spreading washers and they wouldn't fit without a lot of work to make them clear the bumps that are there on pattern parts.



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