3 door with saff 2wd front roll bar
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3 door with saff 2wd front roll bar
So today ive taken the front roll bar off the 3 door to replace it with a saff 2wd one , problem im having is it seems to wide ,ive got the drivers side in and cant seem to get the passenger side in ,.
Ive unbolted the tca and then it goes in, but then you cant bolt the tca back up as its an inch to short .
Whos fitted one and what did you do ??
HELP i need to use the car
Ive unbolted the tca and then it goes in, but then you cant bolt the tca back up as its an inch to short .
Whos fitted one and what did you do ??
HELP i need to use the car
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You ok brammer ? Ive not got one mate.i just gave up but putting the 3 door one back on is the same
So i may aswell keep trying with the saff one as heard there better ?????
So i may aswell keep trying with the saff one as heard there better ?????
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check you have the correct one first as well, it should be stamped h14 on the drivers side part of the arb, just where the tca slides on, and the original one should be h13.
If you have big wheels the 2wd arb might force the wheels to far forward into the bumper
If you have big wheels the 2wd arb might force the wheels to far forward into the bumper
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Ok so ive tried to strap it with now joy? is there another way of fitting this bloody thing as ive now been laying in the garage since 11.30 trying to sort it out
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are you sure you haven't got the granada one or the 4wd cossie one?
they are very different and will give you "underpants" moments
what you do is put one end of the strap on one of the hubs and the other on the other end and crank it up
when you get to the point where both inner tca holes are in the correct position, slide them home and then tap them into place with a hammer and then use a screwdriver to line the holes up
you should make sure that the inner tca's actuall fit into the crossmember easily before you fit the arb as if the crossmember slot has been squashed by overtightening of the previous inner tca bolts it won't be wide enough to take the tca and so you will find they won't fit
they are very different and will give you "underpants" moments
what you do is put one end of the strap on one of the hubs and the other on the other end and crank it up
when you get to the point where both inner tca holes are in the correct position, slide them home and then tap them into place with a hammer and then use a screwdriver to line the holes up
you should make sure that the inner tca's actuall fit into the crossmember easily before you fit the arb as if the crossmember slot has been squashed by overtightening of the previous inner tca bolts it won't be wide enough to take the tca and so you will find they won't fit
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Im now trying to fit the standard 3 door arb back on . I used a strap (tied either end of the arb) and done it as tight as i could get it,the tried to fit it ,was still way out so the car can just sit on jacks tonight as ive had enough .
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but yes, plut the arb into the ends of the tcas and fit them up so that all you hae to do is crank the arb to line up theone remaining tca inner bolt into the crossmember
if you have the rest of the suspension on place you get more leverage to put the strap into palce
if you have the rest of the suspension on place you get more leverage to put the strap into palce
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The tca is now around 5mm from me getting the bolt through but looking at the bolts for the anti roll bar they look threaded now so just trying to find a place open on a sunday who can supply them . if not il leave it off the road for the week .
Who has a 2wd saff roll bar on a 3 door because i hope this is all worth it
Who has a 2wd saff roll bar on a 3 door because i hope this is all worth it
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Put the arb through both tcas first and then fit one tca to the crossmember. After that you will have the problem you currently have.
I always jack up both tcas until the arb hole is level with the tca hole, that way you don't need to push the arb in really far. But be careful the car is still standing on the axle stands! When all the holes in the tcas are level I supply stick a screw driver through the hole in the crossmember to line it up perfectly. I never needed a ratchet strap.
I always jack up both tcas until the arb hole is level with the tca hole, that way you don't need to push the arb in really far. But be careful the car is still standing on the axle stands! When all the holes in the tcas are level I supply stick a screw driver through the hole in the crossmember to line it up perfectly. I never needed a ratchet strap.
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Today i went to get new nuts for the arb etc so i know all the threads will be ok .
My question is (why there is no roll bar on the car) what is the best one to fit ??
H13 3 door
or
H14 2wd saff
And will the arb polybushes i have fit on the saff roll bar too or do i need to replace ?
My question is (why there is no roll bar on the car) what is the best one to fit ??
H13 3 door
or
H14 2wd saff
And will the arb polybushes i have fit on the saff roll bar too or do i need to replace ?
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i was a little the worse for wear the other night when i was typing and i meant "bolts"
if you have poly bushes then i found that it was always easier if i left the arb nuts a little loose to aid extra movement in the arb
it just takes a little patience the first time around, i'm sure if i was able to make some sort of teleportation device i could have had it fitted for you wihtin minutes because you have obvioulsy done something either wrong or you haven't tightened the ratchet far enough
if you have poly bushes then i found that it was always easier if i left the arb nuts a little loose to aid extra movement in the arb
it just takes a little patience the first time around, i'm sure if i was able to make some sort of teleportation device i could have had it fitted for you wihtin minutes because you have obvioulsy done something either wrong or you haven't tightened the ratchet far enough
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Today i went to get new nuts for the arb etc so i know all the threads will be ok .
My question is (why there is no roll bar on the car) what is the best one to fit ??
H13 3 door
or
H14 2wd saff
And will the arb polybushes i have fit on the saff roll bar too or do i need to replace ?
My question is (why there is no roll bar on the car) what is the best one to fit ??
H13 3 door
or
H14 2wd saff
And will the arb polybushes i have fit on the saff roll bar too or do i need to replace ?
the cossie ones are 28mm and you should be able to use the same arb bushes on your one, they will come off easily enough
the polys in the tcas can stay in there, you don't need to move them
i am wondering if you have got the tca bushes in all the way onto the arb before you have started because trying to get them in afterwards is a small mission
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Today i went to get new nuts for the arb etc so i know all the threads will be ok .
My question is (why there is no roll bar on the car) what is the best one to fit ??
H13 3 door
or
H14 2wd saff
And will the arb polybushes i have fit on the saff roll bar too or do i need to replace ?
My question is (why there is no roll bar on the car) what is the best one to fit ??
H13 3 door
or
H14 2wd saff
And will the arb polybushes i have fit on the saff roll bar too or do i need to replace ?
Rich
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Also, I think if customers at the time the cars were new ( i.e. 86/87 ) complained about straight-line stability and nervousness at high speed they would replace the H13 bar with the H14 ( 2wd Sapphire ) type. It gives about an extra degree of caster ( more steering self-centreing effect ) depending on the individual car.
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I use the same method as dojj.
Insert a TCA in crossmember and bolt it
Insert ARB in this TCA and bolt
Insert the another TCA in the ARB and bolt
Then use the ratchet strap to tighten it, you've to tight it VERY HARD and then try to fit in crossmember using a hammer and a screw driver
I've to use hands, foot in the shell of the car, even a big rod into the ratchet to make more strenght with hands.
good luck
Insert a TCA in crossmember and bolt it
Insert ARB in this TCA and bolt
Insert the another TCA in the ARB and bolt
Then use the ratchet strap to tighten it, you've to tight it VERY HARD and then try to fit in crossmember using a hammer and a screw driver
I've to use hands, foot in the shell of the car, even a big rod into the ratchet to make more strenght with hands.
good luck
Last edited by AiToR51; 10-07-2012 at 09:29 AM.
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I think all RS500s ( Paul will correct me if I'm wrong ) got the H14 bar and some of the late 3-doors?
Also, I think if customers at the time the cars were new ( i.e. 86/87 ) complained about straight-line stability and nervousness at high speed they would replace the H13 bar with the H14 ( 2wd Sapphire ) type. It gives about an extra degree of caster ( more steering self-centreing effect ) depending on the individual car.
Also, I think if customers at the time the cars were new ( i.e. 86/87 ) complained about straight-line stability and nervousness at high speed they would replace the H13 bar with the H14 ( 2wd Sapphire ) type. It gives about an extra degree of caster ( more steering self-centreing effect ) depending on the individual car.
But the saff roll bar will push the wheels forward ?? towards the bumper ?
I do find my 3 door twitches and does not like driving on the roads where lorrys have put ruts in the road .
Ive not had the time this week so ill give it a go on sat .
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It was a common complaint when the car was new especially from people driving on broken/heavily cambered road surfaces with longitudinal ridges. Car magazine commented on it with their long-termer they ran in '87 as did the old Performance Car magazine.
There were also mods for the power steering fluid reservoir cap and other stuff
Apparently the pre-prod press cars had even more responsive front ends but after complaints on the press launch in Spain they 'softened' the inner TCA mounting bush and made subtle alterations to the TRW steering rack gears before full production.
When they brought out the Sapphire various mods were made to the chassis/suspension to make it a less twitchy car as that was one of the complaints about the 3-door set up. it was supposed to be a more 'stable' car in extremis
Last edited by Mike1; 12-07-2012 at 01:49 PM.
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I've already got one.....thing is it's on my Sapphire! I have driven a 3-door but can't remember if the front end bothered me that much. Overall, I preferred the 2wd Sapphire to drive ( and hence bought one ) so I'm not a good person to ask probably!
On my old XR4i I never tried the 3-door front roll bar
On my old XR4i I never tried the 3-door front roll bar
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At last got it all fitted and its back on 4 wheels ,in the end i went for the H14 2wd saff arb BUT it now catches the front bumper as said above i have 17s .
Next question is: who has done this and what did you do ??
Also anyone who owns a rs500 can you see if it has the H14 fitted ?
Ive taken the front grill off and pulled the bumper as far forward as i can and still no joy. I dont mind trimming bumpers and arches as to me you cant see them anyway aslong its its done to a nice standard .
So again whos done the above , a picture would really help me out here of a 3 door with trimmed bumper/arches
Thanks
Dave
Next question is: who has done this and what did you do ??
Also anyone who owns a rs500 can you see if it has the H14 fitted ?
Ive taken the front grill off and pulled the bumper as far forward as i can and still no joy. I dont mind trimming bumpers and arches as to me you cant see them anyway aslong its its done to a nice standard .
So again whos done the above , a picture would really help me out here of a 3 door with trimmed bumper/arches
Thanks
Dave
Last edited by Harris.; 14-07-2012 at 07:31 PM.
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It doesn't detail exactly what was changed on the early cap - it just says that Ford recalled 2300 3-door Cosworths made between August 86 and December 86 for 'inspection and modification of certain components used in the cooling system'.
Discovered as "if you drove the car at high engine speeds for prolonged distances ( flat out for 20 miles ) " the PAS fluid could escape out the system as it was pumped around "resulting in severe leakage"
I believe this was discovered as a side effect of investigating the early head gasket problems that plagued the car. They ran post-production high speed testing at the speed bowl in Nardo to try and solve them involving the car being driven flat out for extended periods then shut down without idling.
I'll dig around for more info as I am in touch with the guy that ran the long term magazine test car in Performance Car from new - he might well remember as he likes Fords!
Cheers
Mike
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Hi Ronnie,
It doesn't detail exactly what was changed on the early cap - it just says that Ford recalled 2300 3-door Cosworths made between August 86 and December 86 for 'inspection and modification of certain components used in the cooling system'.
Discovered as "if you drove the car at high engine speeds for prolonged distances ( flat out for 20 miles ) " the PAS fluid could escape out the system as it was pumped around "resulting in severe leakage"
Cheers
Mike
It doesn't detail exactly what was changed on the early cap - it just says that Ford recalled 2300 3-door Cosworths made between August 86 and December 86 for 'inspection and modification of certain components used in the cooling system'.
Discovered as "if you drove the car at high engine speeds for prolonged distances ( flat out for 20 miles ) " the PAS fluid could escape out the system as it was pumped around "resulting in severe leakage"
Cheers
Mike
I have since changed the lot for a Spec R PAS bottle with later cap design, recon 2wd Sapphire Cosworth rack, PAS 9 row Mocal cooler with larger piping, modified PAS pump in hope to cure this issue out.
I am also running the H13 still and don't find it a problem and the car turns in sharp on the road
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My car is an early 86 with the first run cylinder head and i have had issues with the power steering system from day one of my ownership and especially on long trips, i would have to top it up continually as it was bubbling up around the bottle and leaking out.
I have since changed the lot for a Spec R PAS bottle with later cap design, recon 2wd Sapphire Cosworth rack, PAS 9 row Mocal cooler with larger piping, modified PAS pump in hope to cure this issue out.
I am also running the H13 still and don't find it a problem and the car turns in sharp on the road
I have since changed the lot for a Spec R PAS bottle with later cap design, recon 2wd Sapphire Cosworth rack, PAS 9 row Mocal cooler with larger piping, modified PAS pump in hope to cure this issue out.
I am also running the H13 still and don't find it a problem and the car turns in sharp on the road