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01-03-2005, 10:50 AM
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They do - and its a quality gasket you wont have any problems - just make sure you choose a good engineering firm, they need to weld near the valve seats, they have to be careful not to deform the head. It will then need skimming, so hopefully you have some meat on the NMS head.
BTW the Accralits, I've heard mixed reviews. I went for fully skirted Arias to my spec - but the stuff on the American market is great value if you want the original bore - I'm not sure if they do oversize though??
BTW the Accralits, I've heard mixed reviews. I went for fully skirted Arias to my spec - but the stuff on the American market is great value if you want the original bore - I'm not sure if they do oversize though??
01-03-2005, 11:59 AM
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ON-UJAH, im not really going to build that spec anyway...im after a saph cos soon so may be looking to sell the s1 or px it
i have accrallite pistons in my cvh and accrallite piston rings....it is now wih 0.5 overbore...also uprated big end and small end bearings and high pressure fuel pump and new crank. head wise i have a big valve head and piper 285 t2 cam...
with that spec i am hoping for 200 bhp plus but only at 15psi...am i a bit optimistic??
i have accrallite pistons in my cvh and accrallite piston rings....it is now wih 0.5 overbore...also uprated big end and small end bearings and high pressure fuel pump and new crank. head wise i have a big valve head and piper 285 t2 cam...
with that spec i am hoping for 200 bhp plus but only at 15psi...am i a bit optimistic??
02-03-2005, 07:57 AM
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fernando kahn, you should be able to hit your propsed HP figure with that spec...just make sure its setup correctly and you should be seeing around 200hp...my cousin was doing 229hp at 16psi with a similar spec using a Pace intercooler (well over read but was near 200hp genuine for a fact) and that was with stage 3 turbo, stage 3 head, low comp'd, kent cvh35 etc
rudey...you can get 86mm pistons out there mate but they aint gonna be off the shelf pistons....gonna be made to you spec and expect to wait around 6-8weeks for them
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rudey...you can get 86mm pistons out there mate but they aint gonna be off the shelf pistons....gonna be made to you spec and expect to wait around 6-8weeks for them
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02-03-2005, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by * Rudey *
i think it,d be better to leave it to the builder i think im just gonna get ian howells steel bottom leave the hard work to the pro,s aye
ultimate gear!! 
04-03-2005, 07:38 PM
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currently building mine,and after owning a big power cossie it has to be CHEAP!!! but quick. so far i have (or its on order!)
mk4 xr3i with rst running gear
1.8 zvh bottom end(welded ready to go minus sump)
escos t28 turbo with uprated actuator
grp a coil(off me saff!)
c59c plugs
bayjoo ecu
285t2 cam
vernier pulley
stage 2 head
stainless exhaust
rs turbo (s2) brakes
17 inch AEZ rims
cobra bucket seat and harness
stripped interior
electonic boost controller(with ALS capability!!!)
MF2 5th injector driver
headlight duct
intercooler spray
2x cossie coolers
rs turbo suspension
thats it so far,gonna need a mtx75 or summit to not break the gearbox!
and so far i havent spent much at all(think between 500 and 1000 quid including the car!!)
mk4 xr3i with rst running gear
1.8 zvh bottom end(welded ready to go minus sump)
escos t28 turbo with uprated actuator
grp a coil(off me saff!)
c59c plugs
bayjoo ecu
285t2 cam
vernier pulley
stage 2 head
stainless exhaust
rs turbo (s2) brakes
17 inch AEZ rims
cobra bucket seat and harness
stripped interior
electonic boost controller(with ALS capability!!!)
MF2 5th injector driver
headlight duct
intercooler spray
2x cossie coolers
rs turbo suspension
thats it so far,gonna need a mtx75 or summit to not break the gearbox!
and so far i havent spent much at all(think between 500 and 1000 quid including the car!!)
05-03-2005, 02:01 PM
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Rudey,BUT.......... ive been there with big power engines that kill transmissions,and dont fancy not being sure wether summit will break or not everytime i go out,besides,150 quid for a zvh bottom end with the appropriate welding,drilling and other mods done to it already?cant complain!
06-03-2005, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by davie0146
one that goes
it a very expensive garden ornament, mind you it give the fookin dog somewhere to piss up against, now wheres that rifle
it a very expensive garden ornament, mind you it give the fookin dog somewhere to piss up against, now wheres that rifle
Know the feeling (broken gearbox some time ago + lack of funds and laziness = big expensive paperweight)
06-03-2005, 02:47 PM
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A gear box that could cope with my power without turning to swarf after a few thousand miles (and not cost the same as an entire terrace in Bradford) and make the car relable enough for daily use would be nice 
06-03-2005, 02:57 PM
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what power are you running? rst gearboxes are pants i did 8 std ones in as many months with 250bhp save up and get yourself an atb diff this will cure it, also dont be haveing it at 6200 revs then letting go of the clutch for launching this shatters syncros. the other tip (as i worked at a reconditioners) is simply to keep the box topped up how many times u ever checked its level? see with these boxes they get low on oil and 5th gear wich is remote from the others as on the end of the shaft get starved of oil thus burning up and breaking up feking everything else in the box with its debris
06-03-2005, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by * Rudey *
what power are you running? rst gearboxes are pants i did 8 std ones in as many months with 250bhp save up and get yourself an atb diff this will cure it, also dont be haveing it at 6200 revs then letting go of the clutch for launching this shatters syncros. the other tip (as i worked at a reconditioners) is simply to keep the box topped up how many times u ever checked its level? see with these boxes they get low on oil and 5th gear wich is remote from the others as on the end of the shaft get starved of oil thus burning up and breaking up feking everything else in the box with its debris
In answer to your question, mine was producing 286 brake, and 301 lb ft originally.
Allegedly turned down to approx. a more sensible 260 now (don't know what torque) to improve tractability (she used to break traction effortlessy in 3rd in the dry) and prolong box life.
Yeah right.Would love to get her dyno tested to see what she currently makes at the wheels.
Current box doesn't leak a drop, is always on level, i've used Valvoline synthetic in it since build and recently replaced the oil.
Have done about 3K on it (gently whenever possible) 600 miles of which was a roundtrip to Newquay, so on motorway and no big standing starts.
Wasn't expecting it to last this long actually so every extra mile I get is a bonus.
Turbo ratios and my original diff (thanks christ it was salvageable - nothing else was) in a diesel casing - very slightly larger bearings, whether it makes any difference to longevity, I have no idea; but anything's worth a try.
Bearings are a little noisy already though.
Apparently it's the torque that kills them.
Pinion bearing is the culprit due to being subjected to such enormous loads from big power/torque engines that they just collapse/seize from the pressure and heat and the rest of the box follows suit because there is nothing to support the shaft correctly.
The small size and weak construction of the bearing is no help either - it was hardly designed for large power, the RST box is basically the same as any other MK IV box but with a slipper fitted - my car required a new replacement box from Ford under warranty when it was six months old and outputting standard power and torque - outstanding engineering, nice one Ford
The basic physical on/off nature of turbo power as opposed to aspirated power; in conjuntion with the way that helical gears have the tendency to transmit a large percentage of the load along the length of the shaft and into the end of the casing in a punching motion is just a recipe for disaster.
This is why Quaife's straight cut gear set can be so usefull for prolonging box life.
The energy is more or less 100% transmitted laterally from shaft to shaft thus aleviating the majority of the load on the inherrantly weak and undersized pinion bearing.
The down sides to this solution are that the gear set (and it is just that - you'll have to supply your own diff and casing etc. seperately) is horribly expensive, and you will of course have to carry ear plugs in the car from that point on
These two points are no longer a consideration for me as it is the only way I can get the peace of mind I need, so i'm now saving up for a Quaife build.
I just hope my current box lasts the distance because there's no way i'm dragging it out of the car again in the meantime unless there's something special ready to back in it's place
Cheers and all the best
06-03-2005, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by * Rudey *
biggest tip is dont melt ya credit cards take ya time get it little by little then wack it together i wacked the plastic first time round the cooonts at the non payment centre know me by my first name when they ring 
Those late evening phone calls certainly get your blood pressure up
07-03-2005, 01:55 PM
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dont they just mate jeez you know more than i do about boxes all my boxes were std recons and tbh the 1 that lasted the longest was a xr3i box why dya think this was less moveing parts? beleive they have less planets than the turbo?
lets see some pics of this beast dude sounds impressive
jeez you know more than i do about boxes all my boxes were std recons and tbh the 1 that lasted the longest was a xr3i box why dya think this was less moveing parts? beleive they have less planets than the turbo?lets see some pics of this beast dude sounds impressive
08-03-2005, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by * Rudey *
dont they just mate jeez you know more than i do about boxes all my boxes were std recons and tbh the 1 that lasted the longest was a xr3i box why dya think this was less moveing parts? beleive they have less planets than the turbo?
lets see some pics of this beast dude sounds impressive
jeez you know more than i do about boxes all my boxes were std recons and tbh the 1 that lasted the longest was a xr3i box why dya think this was less moveing parts? beleive they have less planets than the turbo?lets see some pics of this beast dude sounds impressive
Not sure why the 3i 'box would have lasted longer, probably just luck of the draw. I think they're identical apart from the slipper.
Were you running it with or without one?
If without, was the torquesteer less or more apparent? I've always wondered - I have always presumed that it would almost rip the wheel out of your hand, what with variations in road surface quality causing the power to swap from wheel to wheel, but i've never had the chance to find out.
BTW, never run mine up the Pod or any strip for that matter, so have'nt a clue what the 1/4 mile time is - always been too terrified of having to push the heavy old bitch the couple of dozen light year trip back home with another swarfed 'box
Might be taking her to Santa Pod this spring/summer for a couple of tentative runs to see what she can pull off if i'm brave enough - gonna have to try and keep it to a couple of runs. Don't wanna be walking home
Incidentally, with regards to pics of the old shed,
I don't actually know how to post images on a thread/topic, but a mate of mine and another PF member (jr)
posted some images of her on Saturday the 29th of Jan. in General Discussion to see if anyone remembered her from when she was featured in a few mags during the late 90s,
so if you search for that date in his posts there's several digital photos of her there looking filthy at work (she's black with black wheels)
Oh, by the way, if you've got the Performance Ford Top 100 cars (100th anniversary edition I think) issue from a year or so ago, there's a little pic of her in there at number 40.
08-03-2005, 02:54 PM
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kool mate will look ya mota up, i only ran once at pod 10 yrs to build it 10secs to break it i ran the quater first of 3 runs so i thought right i,ll smoke it on the spot for the crowd lol i did my oponent was a mk2 escort with cossie lump hit 3 rd and bogged after spinning finally gets away 3rd on the limiter gaining on mk2 then it happend gearbox went tight i went for 4th foot to the floor slapped me into 2nd 
car nearlly endowed it engine broke so hard lol then the horrible tractor sound 
cant wait to have a propper go i bent 8 valves in that incident it drove home well tho
the 3i box had no slipper but was a 1900 efi 250bhp and torque on them is fantastic so i think it,d wouldnt of made a diference as the car was like a scalded cat and all over the place with it, thats why this 1 ive gone all out on the suspension no use haveing that power if it ant safe but sayin that i do like being terrified im a hopeless adrenaline junky
10 yrs to build it 10secs to break it i ran the quater first of 3 runs so i thought right i,ll smoke it on the spot for the crowd lol i did my oponent was a mk2 escort with cossie lump hit 3 rd and bogged after spinning finally gets away 3rd on the limiter gaining on mk2 then it happend gearbox went tight i went for 4th foot to the floor slapped me into 2nd car nearlly endowed it engine broke so hard lol then the horrible tractor sound cant wait to have a propper go i bent 8 valves in that incident it drove home well tho the 3i box had no slipper but was a 1900 efi 250bhp and torque on them is fantastic so i think it,d wouldnt of made a diference as the car was like a scalded cat and all over the place with it, thats why this 1 ive gone all out on the suspension no use haveing that power if it ant safe but sayin that i do like being terrified im a hopeless adrenaline junky
08-03-2005, 03:40 PM
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I don't actually know how to post images on a thread/topic, but a mate of mine and another PF member (jr)
posted some images of her on Saturday the 29th of Jan. in General Discussion.
posted some images of her on Saturday the 29th of Jan. in General Discussion.
there you go jim (swm286)
Got to say this is one of my favpurtite RS's and i long to own an S1 with this spec 
08-03-2005, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fad
I don't actually know how to post images on a thread/topic, but a mate of mine and another PF member (jr)
posted some images of her on Saturday the 29th of Jan. in General Discussion.
posted some images of her on Saturday the 29th of Jan. in General Discussion.
there you go jim (swm286)
Got to say this is one of my favpurtite RS's and i long to own an S1 with this spec 
You are my saviour sir
08-03-2005, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by adamS2RST
Nice, whats the tank with all the areoquip comign off it
The three big hoses vent pressure/vapour into the catch tank and the small lower pipe returns condensed oil to the sump.
Quite a usefull minor way of having some secondary oil cooling aswell I have always thought - could be wrong though.
09-03-2005, 10:57 AM
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[quote="SVM 286"]
there you go jim (swm286) Got to say this is one of my favpurtite RS's and i long to own an S1 with this spec
Top work Fad
You are my saviour sir
anytime squire
Originally Posted by fad
there you go jim (swm286)
Got to say this is one of my favpurtite RS's and i long to own an S1 with this spec
You are my saviour sir
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