Rogeyboy

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After some careful thinking and pricing im tempted to change away from my OFAC EFi setup to either Megasquirt - due to Karlos' success or Cossie Management - due to Jano's recommendations...

Opinions on what to go for please!?

My main concern with MS is that i've never mapped a car myself or done anything similar, i can do all of the mechanics etc but the science involved in mapping worries me greatly that i'll end up with a car that won't run right or safely for months and i won't have any enjoyment from it. I don't mine putting in the time to learn how to map the MS but i don't want to get stuck in the middle of it and be back to square one! Whereas the cossie can be installed and mapped and i can drive the car days/weeks later!

chaffe

Do you want to plug it in and forget about it, or do you want to wire it up and play around with it, learning lots as you go? that will give you your answer.

Rogeyboy

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plug it in learn about it and be able to change it to suit new mods, but i wanna b able to 4get it once its setup....

chaffe

then megasquirt it with edis4, you will have total control and need not touch it once mapped correctly.

Rogeyboy

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Edis4? Is that what ive got now on the OFAC, dizzyless ignition?

How long will it take to get mapped? What else will i need aswell as the ecu and loom?

AFR gauge, ebc?

Versus_Creations

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MS is not in the same league as webber. Let alone trying to compare them.

chaffe

yep, the ms can be integrated with the std edis, and use all the std sensors very easily. A few evening sessions over a week will see it mapped, or a saturday.

chaffe

Your right there! Who would bother using an old dated ecu like that when you can get a bang up-to-date completely mappable ecu like MS, with all the knowledge and help that the ms forum offers, that can be repaired or modified DIY if something fails or if you change spec or car, it can run any number of cylinders and has all the options of other programmable ecu's. Im guessing you have not successfully used MS? it does take a good bit of patience, knowledge and skill, so prehaps is not for everyone.

chaffe

in order to run a v8 on that old webber thing you need two ecu's and map them both seperatly, like ferrari did back in thee day

RUBY123

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For function ms is quite good for the money if your on a buget but for quality you can't compare the two webber wins hands down

chaffe

please explain? How is the quality better, thanks

RUBY123

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People knock ms up in there shed lol and like you say you can add bits youre self the quality on the build of this sort ecu can never compare to a ecu like webber or any other production car ecu

rs_turbo_tony

wot kind of bhp you looking to run . my pals fiesta turbo is on ofac and he took it to jamsport who done a custom map on focus rs injectors at a very good price pushed 306 bhp on rollers . on a 2ltr zvh with piper 285 cam and stage 3 t3 turbo ,

Karlos G

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No need for EDIS mate, the ECU can drive coils directly
Sorry Jano but thats utter crap as you well know!
Out of the box feature for feature MS wins hands down.
People do your right, but why buy one from someone like that when there a plenty of companies building them to a very high standard with warranty and support?!

Roger If your worried about not having it running/drivable as your learning then maybe you are better off having it mapped for you (Myself or Rick for example can do it) and the basics explained to you, you can then have a play (at your own risk of course) but will always have the orignal map to return to should you fuck it up! lol

chaffe

But electronics have come a long way in 20 odd years!
This is a very valid option granted
Yes thats for sure, but if your car already runs edis then it will make the conversion even easier, no need to worry abour VR conditioning circuits. I suppose thats the beauty of MS, its adaptability

RUBY123

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I agree there are some good companies but in basic terms its still a man with a soldering iron so ms vs webber build quality webber wins hands down. I think that's why tuners don't like ms becausr the reliability of the ecu if you have a bad solder joint and it takes the engine they will be held responsible

Chip

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The webber hardware is better quality in terms of the connector and some of the internals, MS works well though if built right and is really good from a mapping point of view.

Mtech v4 is all the good bits of MS without the homemade quality issues and without the connector designed for a printer not an engine.

chaffe

no its not, they dont like MS because anyone using it knows as much, if not more, than thjey do! and so no money can be made from them.

chaffe

Ok, also there is a new version of MS available, microsquirt, it is similar and pre-built.
The important thing to remember here, and i think you will agree chip, An ECU is a very basic device doing very basic things, compared with a fone for example!

Rick

If you have any worries about the quality then buy a 3.57 board or Microsquirt, both of which use surface mount componets assembled by machine and not soldered by hand.

IAW is great, providing you run coil packs and not a dizzy! If i had a Cossie then I don't think I would change it, but wouldn't use one on another car now.

Rick

RUBY123

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Lol your funny

chaffe

its true mate, tuning cars is not rocket science

Chip

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Yes the microsquirt looks more on a par with the mtech v4 quality wise, although not used one myself yet so my comments are based on the ms on my corsa versus the mtech v4 on my Clio.

chaffe

Ive not either (cant run low impedance injectors on it) Where do you buy your mtech v4's from? got a link? i would like to have a look, thanks

1223456

@ Jano - alright mate, I have a v4 here, would you like me to send it to you for a play along with the software so you can have a good look around it? its gonna be a while before its in my motor lol so you are more than welcome mate. You may be suprised with the amount of features for the overall purchase price.

I can't comment about these ecu's as I don't have any indepth knowlede, all I know is that when I was researching into which ecu to buy the ms/v4's offeres everything at less than half the price of the others, also the mapping software interface can be changed to accomodate what the mapper is used to so in theory most competatnt mappers should be able to map it.

Im thinking of getting rid of my v4 and purchasing the ms ecu that rick mentioned from the states but not made my mind up yet.

chaffe

can buy one for Ł495 off thier website

RUBY123

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Its not but putting your self not just on a level but better that top tuners I found funny

Chip

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He wasnt saying he is better than top tuners, simply that he is prepared to use MS and they arent.

RUBY123

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No he said anyone that uses ms knows as much if not more than tuners that's what I found funny

chaffe

thats true, becuase not all tuners can build an ecu, make a loom and wire it up, then tune it.

Rob_DOHC

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Yes your right Jano, MS shits all over 1980's webber all day and every day.

To the OP, Fit megasquirt - Ask nicely (like me, karlos, rick, chaffe etc) and some one will give you a base map. Pay the extra 50$ and get VE analyse live for tuner studios and the ecu will practically map its self (if you have a good base map).

Then enjoy having the freedom to make changes as and when you please.

My set up currently has fan control, launch control, flat shift etcetc and i had the car started and idling after 30mins of messing around.

The internet is full of megasquirt geeks willing to help however they can, the internet is void of any one willing to give up their 'trade' secrets and really help fully with webber.

My next step after running my engine in is to hire a rolling road for a couple of hours with some det cans and sort the advance out properly.

Rob,

RUBY123

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your my hero

chaffe

pmsl
why thank you

Rob_DOHC

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Its a shame your so far away as i would show you the 'shed' where i built most of mine. By the way i work to and exceed iso9001 standards, so the quality will be on par with webber, the components used are probably better (20 years later and im not working to the same budget).

Rob,

Rob_DOHC

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Where are you based Roger?

Rob,

RUBY123

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Chip

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Go on then, name just ONE decent tuner that is true for!

Cause personally I think all that is a total piece of piss and cant think of any tuner I respect who wouldnt be able to do it! They might not feel its a worthwhile use of their time, so wouldnt actually be bothered, but I dont think any tuner would be in the situation you are saying where they CANT do it rather than WONT do it.

Chip

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What connector do you use on your ECU then?
Cause if you just gave that little sermon and are still on a printer port connector its going to be properly funny, lol

Rob_DOHC

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You've ruled out all the tuners who can't do that by using the word 'decent'. I can think of a few tuners that can't tie their shoe laces let alone manufacture an ecu to the standard required. Mtec must have sorted them selves out then Chip, the last time i saw one of their ecus it wasn't all that, quality wise (before they released their v4).

What software does the v4 use btw regards to mapping, they sill on tuner studio?

Rob,

Chip

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Rob DOHC, the V4 are all factory assembled not hand assembled like the previous ones, totally different thing, here is a pic I took of mine, you only need to glance at it TBH to see the world of difference from the V3!



I use tuner studio on it, I think that is what Mtech recomend too.