How mental is this! Twincharged cvh fiesta
14-10-2010, 11:17 AM
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Have to agree with both chip and Jano seems a pointless task if you ask me, all the money and fabrication to twin charge it when surely a ZT or even a good ZVH would of been much better value for money?
14-10-2010, 12:34 PM
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Have you ever driven a car with ALS? All you keep doing is guessing by the sounds of it..
You will find that ALS temps will be pretty much the same as driving the car hard anyway. Its only when you stop for a certain amount of time that it would change. Due to lack of natural air flow which would happen if you was driving. Having ALS on the spot doesnt mean that you have loads of boost running all the time. My XR3 can run ALS at idle on the spot for ages without any heat issues. I can set the amount of boost i want and control it very well.
Look at my videos on youtube and you will hear my cars idle with ALS making no real differnce to heat etc.
I think you keep comparing it to a rally car which runs 10psi at idle with high base idle. Heat with this type of engine would be an issue and not practical on the road.
My engine and setup is practical even tho i wouldnt drive around in my XR3 with ALS on all the time as thats just asking for trouble noise wise.
You will find that ALS temps will be pretty much the same as driving the car hard anyway. Its only when you stop for a certain amount of time that it would change. Due to lack of natural air flow which would happen if you was driving. Having ALS on the spot doesnt mean that you have loads of boost running all the time. My XR3 can run ALS at idle on the spot for ages without any heat issues. I can set the amount of boost i want and control it very well.
Look at my videos on youtube and you will hear my cars idle with ALS making no real differnce to heat etc.
I think you keep comparing it to a rally car which runs 10psi at idle with high base idle. Heat with this type of engine would be an issue and not practical on the road.
My engine and setup is practical even tho i wouldnt drive around in my XR3 with ALS on all the time as thats just asking for trouble noise wise.
but you must be right, why does any one need a maram shaft if anti lag doesn't produce buckets of heat then? if burning fuel inside a turbo doesn't make it massively hot then every one who has spent thousands specing a turbo to cope with als must have been mugged off?
I have watched your vids, and actually i can't find any of anti lag... seen a few making good use of launch control. Which isn't anti lag.
Im not saying als is pointless, its not, its fucking cool. But at the same time twincharging seems like a cool and fairly practical idea too.
Maybe post a link to some of your anti-lag vids or post up a dyno curve for us to gawk at.
At the end of the day, als on a road car is pointless, you can't use it all the time, but you could use a supercharger. You've just about said that.
Rob,
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 14-10-2010 at 12:36 PM.
14-10-2010, 12:40 PM
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clued up on it and how does it work
Anti lag makes boost when ever your car is off boost or off throttle, so with the car moving with a closed throttle you will still have boost, ready for you to jump back on the throttle with little/zero lag.
For all my bitching, mine will have launch control which sounds similar, so basically cool a fuck lol
But anti-lag as every one has said in the past (except for Jano) will just destroy your turbo, and you really can't use it on the road... the track is another story though
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 14-10-2010 at 12:44 PM.
14-10-2010, 01:03 PM
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No worries mate,
Launch control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY__WTKXgYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYcMeIYMQ8
Anti-lag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTAPpsL2xOU
start halfway through the vid to skip the shit passes.
Rob,
Launch control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY__WTKXgYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYcMeIYMQ8
Anti-lag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTAPpsL2xOU
start halfway through the vid to skip the shit passes.
Rob,
14-10-2010, 04:23 PM
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Ill leave that there then, untill you get a chance to and understand what it does and how it does it. Then you can comment on what you have learned.
Firstly, i dont have a Maram Shaft and havent for the last 12 years you have seen my XR3 going sideways. Do you think i should get one?
I have already explained this above once, did you not understand the way i gave the example? Ill quote myself save you the trouble..
What you talking about!! THERE IS NO FUEL BEING BURT IN THE TURBO. Where did you do your research?
ALS is all electronic.
At the flick of a switch..
The Ignition timing is retarded by 32degree, at which point the ISCV (Which is now just a solenoid valve) Is opened which allows enough air to bypass the throttle butterfly. The map sensor sends the voltage signal to the ECU which will allow the correct amount of fuel to be given through the injectors.
This would be the same as driving with X amount of boost normally. Do you have fuel being burnt in your turbo? NO.. So why would we just becuase we have ALS. ?
ROB none of my cars or customers cars have launch control. What you see is ALS. :P If you cant use your foot to control whats happening then maybe get Launch control.
Eeer where did i say that? But yes a supercharger is great if correct spec for the application, its nothing new. I prefer just Turbo.
I have already explained this above once, did you not understand the way i gave the example? Ill quote myself save you the trouble..
You will find that ALS temps will be pretty much the same as driving the car hard anyway. Its only when you stop for a certain amount of time that it would change. Due to lack of natural air flow which would happen if you was driving. Having ALS on the spot doesnt mean that you have loads of boost running all the time. My XR3 can run ALS at idle on the spot for ages without any heat issues.
ALS is all electronic.
At the flick of a switch..
The Ignition timing is retarded by 32degree, at which point the ISCV (Which is now just a solenoid valve) Is opened which allows enough air to bypass the throttle butterfly. The map sensor sends the voltage signal to the ECU which will allow the correct amount of fuel to be given through the injectors.
This would be the same as driving with X amount of boost normally. Do you have fuel being burnt in your turbo? NO.. So why would we just becuase we have ALS. ?
Eeer where did i say that? But yes a supercharger is great if correct spec for the application, its nothing new. I prefer just Turbo.
14-10-2010, 04:50 PM
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Launch control makes boost when the engine is revving off load, with the car stationary before a launch.
Anti lag makes boost when ever your car is off boost or off throttle, so with the car moving with a closed throttle you will still have boost, ready for you to jump back on the throttle with little/zero lag.
For all my bitching, mine will have launch control which sounds similar, so basically cool a fuck lol
But anti-lag as every one has said in the past (except for Jano) will just destroy your turbo, and you really can't use it on the road... the track is another story though
Anti lag makes boost when ever your car is off boost or off throttle, so with the car moving with a closed throttle you will still have boost, ready for you to jump back on the throttle with little/zero lag.
For all my bitching, mine will have launch control which sounds similar, so basically cool a fuck lol
But anti-lag as every one has said in the past (except for Jano) will just destroy your turbo, and you really can't use it on the road... the track is another story though
I have antilag on my rs and used it quite alot Standard t3 i havent had any problems with it ? no damage has be done to my turbo ..... its great fun alot better than launch contoll. why would you need launch controll on a fwd car?
14-10-2010, 05:06 PM
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Yeah standard as they come lol use it quite often 
get between 5-10 psi at idel
just for you :P http://www.youtube.com/user/conorxtp.../0/gHwOkVgjiew
get between 5-10 psi at ideljust for you :P http://www.youtube.com/user/conorxtp.../0/gHwOkVgjiew
14-10-2010, 05:10 PM
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What wih it on you mean or just having it ....
The cars off the road atm but when i first got it i used it every day lol on the motorways good fun. i think aslong as your sensible with it. i normally just use it in bursts.
imo one of my best mods by far.
14-10-2010, 07:40 PM
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14-10-2010, 09:10 PM
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Well in first gear i struggle to get traction so als seems useless but thats the great thing its on the flick of a switch
so you can turn it on in say third and its awesome the power is INSTANT it really puts your head back in the seat. I was using the the other week down some country lanes and the difference is amazing the throttle response is awesome just a tap of the throttle and get a Whack of power. also i love the massive bang you get wen changing between gears.
But to be fair its just for showing off and it is extra money that could be used for something els. on top of that because the mods to the throttle body the car doesn't do cold starts you have to rev the car manually till it gets warm enough to do it itself or i just adjust the trottle cable and let it rev a little higher then its fine for the rest of the day.
its my fav thins about my car
14-10-2010, 09:28 PM
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Ill leave that there then, untill you get a chance to and understand what it does and how it does it. Then you can comment on what you have learned. 
What you talking about!! THERE IS NO FUEL BEING BURT IN THE TURBO. Where did you do your research?
ALS is all electronic.
At the flick of a switch..
The Ignition timing is retarded by 32degree, at which point the ISCV (Which is now just a solenoid valve) Is opened which allows enough air to bypass the throttle butterfly. The map sensor sends the voltage signal to the ECU which will allow the correct amount of fuel to be given through the injectors.
ALS is all electronic.
At the flick of a switch..
The Ignition timing is retarded by 32degree, at which point the ISCV (Which is now just a solenoid valve) Is opened which allows enough air to bypass the throttle butterfly. The map sensor sends the voltage signal to the ECU which will allow the correct amount of fuel to be given through the injectors.
You open the ISCV to allow adequate air into the engine to allow combustion to continue with a closed throttle,
Combustion is happening with the exhuast valve open or about to open, the pressure of that combustion (which would normally be used to force the piston down) is being forced (at least partly) through the open exhaust valve and into the turbo, making it spin.
Late combustion makes exhaust valves and turbos really fucking hot.... how can you even argue about that?
Your telling me to learn how and why it works, when i think actually you should. Clearly you CAN make it work and work well you just can't explain whats happening.
You give your car as an example, have you had the same turbo fitted for the last 12 years? a while ago you were telling me how your completely stock rs turbo made 260 brake, and now your telling me i don't know what im talking about because i haven't driven a car with it? I haven't seen a nuclear explosion, i still know the basics of how any why it works... or should i go and sit in one to know what im on about?
Firstly, i dont have a Maram Shaft and havent for the last 12 years you have seen my XR3 going sideways. Do you think i should get one?
I cant find that video mate, as said post a link.
Rob,
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 15-10-2010 at 08:37 AM.
15-10-2010, 10:41 AM
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You give your car as an example, have you had the same turbo fitted for the last 12 years? a while ago you were telling me how your completely stock rs turbo made 260 brake, and now your telling me i don't know what im talking about because i haven't driven a car with it?
I have been using ALS on my STD engine with STD 4x4 Turbo for 12 years without issues, my car being used as it does surely gives you and idea that ALS does not cause as much issues as you would like people to think.
My XR3 going sideways means that the Engine, Turbo and all the parts are being used to the max. If you cant understand that and need everything explaining in black and white then im going to stop coming back to this thread as its like trying to explain to a 5 year old. LOL.
15-10-2010, 10:59 AM
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.... Your just explaining HOW als is made to work, not why it actually makes boost. And yes, a load of fuel does get burnt in the turbo/manifold, thats where the pops and bangs come from. Your retarding the ignition timing so much that unburn fuel is thrown down the exhaust system.
You open the ISCV to allow adequate air into the engine to allow combustion to continue with a closed throttle,
Combustion is happening with the exhuast valve open or about to open, the pressure of that combustion (which would normally be used to force the piston down) is being forced (at least partly) through the open exhaust valve and into the turbo, making it spin.
Late combustion makes exhaust valves and turbos really fucking hot.... how can you even argue about that?
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You open the ISCV to allow adequate air into the engine to allow combustion to continue with a closed throttle,
Combustion is happening with the exhuast valve open or about to open, the pressure of that combustion (which would normally be used to force the piston down) is being forced (at least partly) through the open exhaust valve and into the turbo, making it spin.
Late combustion makes exhaust valves and turbos really fucking hot.... how can you even argue about that?
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Impressive if they can though!
15-10-2010, 11:28 AM
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Rob what is your point here, you have none? As the last paragraph makes no sense or has no point. I have driven many cars with Turbo's and yes even superchargers hence why i can talk from experiance.
I have been using ALS on my STD engine with STD 4x4 Turbo for 12 years without issues, my car being used as it does surely gives you and idea that ALS does not cause as much issues as you would like people to think.
As for taking things personal i dont, howver your lack of vocabulary having to use words like cunt, mugged off etc. Just makes you look silly.
My XR3 going sideways means that the Engine, Turbo and all the parts are being used to the max. If you cant understand that and need everything explaining in black and white then im going to stop coming back to this thread as its like trying to explain to a 5 year old. LOL.
I have been using ALS on my STD engine with STD 4x4 Turbo for 12 years without issues, my car being used as it does surely gives you and idea that ALS does not cause as much issues as you would like people to think.
As for taking things personal i dont, howver your lack of vocabulary having to use words like cunt, mugged off etc. Just makes you look silly.
My XR3 going sideways means that the Engine, Turbo and all the parts are being used to the max. If you cant understand that and need everything explaining in black and white then im going to stop coming back to this thread as its like trying to explain to a 5 year old. LOL.
Sorry, couldn't resist
15-10-2010, 01:02 PM
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15-10-2010, 04:16 PM
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Rob what is your point here, you have none? As the last paragraph makes no sense or has no point. I have driven many cars with Turbo's and yes even superchargers hence why i can talk from experiance.
My point is your talking rubbish, you criticise me for not having enough experience but then you (a tuner) can't even explain how it works, bit piss poor really.
Im sorry Jano but if my bad language means i have a narrow vocabulary then so be it, but if you have to pick up on minuscule points in an effort to make your self look better or to avoid the topic then fair enough, just stop posting.
Got that link yet, or that dyno curve?
And if you need to learn more about ALS then do a google.....
Heres some i found for you, strangely it seems my explanation might have been correct????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilag_system
http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/bangbang.html
My XR3 going sideways means that the Engine, Turbo and all the parts are being used to the max. If you cant understand that and need everything explaining in black and white then im going to stop coming back to this thread as its like trying to explain to a 5 year old. LOL.
I can go sideways at 20, or 120, as for using 'parts' to the max... no. A hard launch will put the above items under more stress than throwing your car sideways. And if you can't understand that then there really is no hope for you,
Cheers
Rob,
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 15-10-2010 at 04:24 PM.
15-10-2010, 07:04 PM
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what a strange thread every one with anti lag saying its fine and turbos and temps are not a problem and people who haven't got it trying to tell the people with it that there turbos are going to melt and there valves are going to fall out passion ford at its best
15-10-2010, 07:38 PM
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Like i said, never had als but would love to, sounds mental and every one i know with it says its brilliant, the thread was started by just saying the twin charged fiesta looked bloody cool, cork screwed from there.
Wouldn't be a decent passion ford thread with out a few handbags tho.
16-10-2010, 09:00 AM
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Yep PF at its best.. lol.
Rob i have a bussiness to run, sitting here chatting shit with you is last on the list of things to do.. If your that bothered have a look on my site where i have posted over 50 graphs from engines i have maped or been involved with. Then check out over 70videos i have put on youtube.
Thanks for the link i didnt think of that...PMSL.. Google has answers? lol
I prefer to learn things first hand with my own experiance, that way i have my own conclusion instead of taking what people like you say for gospel. There are many types of ALS and ways to make it work and control it.
So you honestly think that a lauch is harder on the car than going round the track sideways????and no its not at 20mph (Sly piss take yet again from you). HOW MANY
TRACK DAYS HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR CAR TO COMPARE?
If you had a look on youtube like i said from the start, maybe you wouldnt make so many guess's and assumptions.
I think you should of aimed that at your self.
Im gone so have fun, cant be wasting anymore time.
ByeBye.