Standard to 200 bhp.
20-05-2010, 05:37 PM
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Hopefully picking it up Saturday morning! Priority list:
1. A bloody good valet, inside and out, then polished!
2. A decent alarm system, either Clifford or Toad.
3. 17" RS diamond cut wheels w/decent make tyres for good grip.
4. Start modding the engine, either stage 2 T3 turbo and a decent FMIC, or start upgrading front brakes, and do a rear brake conversion.
5. The list is endless!
I will get the pics up on Sat, after a good clean, and you guys can help me plan this out. Can't wait to get started on it!
1. A bloody good valet, inside and out, then polished!
2. A decent alarm system, either Clifford or Toad.
3. 17" RS diamond cut wheels w/decent make tyres for good grip.
4. Start modding the engine, either stage 2 T3 turbo and a decent FMIC, or start upgrading front brakes, and do a rear brake conversion.
5. The list is endless!
I will get the pics up on Sat, after a good clean, and you guys can help me plan this out. Can't wait to get started on it!
21-05-2010, 08:20 AM
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lolThe cars that have had bigger Turbos and Engine work obviously make more than 220bhp.
In general if you bring a std 1600CVH engine and turbo, i will get around 220-240bhp from a std setup as long as the Turbo is in good working condition and the intercooler works well.
If you talking about MFi engine setups then yes 180-200bhp is very close to the safe limit. Making more power is not a problem with MFi, the problem is being reliable running loads of power.
21-05-2010, 01:53 PM
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220-240bhp from a stock engine and turbo??No offence to you Jano as you have a very good reputation but NMS, APT, MSD all say it isnt possible and in my own lmited experience I've never seen it done.
So how do you manage it? What boost can you get a sotck T3 to hold on a stock RST engine? To produce that sort of power it would have to be around 23psi surely?
My .36/55 is on it's knees holding 22psi and thats using an AVC-R!!
21-05-2010, 04:13 PM
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Fuck sake. The deals off. The new turbo that he was getting put on today in the garage, was from a fiesta RST. And he said it won't go in or some shit. Deals off. Going to get deposit back in the next hour. Fuck sake, back to hunting for a nice one for sale!
21-05-2010, 04:23 PM
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Right, its up for 2,600, i've already gave him 500 deposit. this is the spec according to him:
Hi mate,
Il try and be as detailed as I can, but the only modification I made myself was the ecu upgrade.
The guy I bought it off had rebore and rings put in 70k ago, then he had the crank and big ends replaced about 40k ago after knocking noises, I think ive done about 5k in it from work and back and heard nothing.
Exhaust - Is stainless, I believe its a scorpion
Bailey Dump Valve
Kent Fast road cam
Stronger lifters (The garage put these in earlier this year, they didnt specify what type they were but they are much quiter)
Unknown make boost gauge
Superchips ECU
-31 Wastegate Actuator
Lowering Springs 60-80mm, not too sure on these
Drilled and grooved front brake discs
Purple Polybushed
Lockwood Dials
Cheers
Do u think i should buy a stage 2 t3 turbo and a FMIC and then get the car sorted, or look else where??
Hi mate,
Il try and be as detailed as I can, but the only modification I made myself was the ecu upgrade.
The guy I bought it off had rebore and rings put in 70k ago, then he had the crank and big ends replaced about 40k ago after knocking noises, I think ive done about 5k in it from work and back and heard nothing.
Exhaust - Is stainless, I believe its a scorpion
Bailey Dump Valve
Kent Fast road cam
Stronger lifters (The garage put these in earlier this year, they didnt specify what type they were but they are much quiter)
Unknown make boost gauge
Superchips ECU
-31 Wastegate Actuator
Lowering Springs 60-80mm, not too sure on these
Drilled and grooved front brake discs
Purple Polybushed
Lockwood Dials
Cheers
Do u think i should buy a stage 2 t3 turbo and a FMIC and then get the car sorted, or look else where??
22-05-2010, 09:25 AM
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220-240bhp from a stock engine and turbo??No offence to you Jano as you have a very good reputation but NMS, APT, MSD all say it isnt possible and in my own lmited experience I've never seen it done.
So how do you manage it? What boost can you get a sotck T3 to hold on a stock RST engine? To produce that sort of power it would have to be around 23psi surely?
My .36/55 is on it's knees holding 22psi and thats using an AVC-R!!
next to me on my desk is a folder with loads of copys of peoples rolling road print outs from all over the country that i hve built or help build dating back to 1998. Not a single one of the graphs show less than 218bhp with a std engine and T3 turbo. The limiting factor would of been a small intercooler or not as efficiant or worn Turbo or head, cam etc etc..
The graphs are from different places all over from.
Interpro
Power engineering
Torque of the devil
Engine advantages
Sinclair motorsport
Jamsport
redlinetuning
AMD
to name a few.
Anyone who has been to my yard will be able to confirm these graphs for you. Maybe even some of the owners of these cars that have a std engine with decent power that are on here.
22-05-2010, 09:29 AM
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So lets break this down.
70k ago it had rings and a rebore? Did it have pistons too or are they baggy in the bore. lol.
Then 40k Ago it had the crank and big ends replaced. So what the rings and everything else wasnt touched at this point.
Makes no real sense to me..
Its done 40k since it was last built with 70k old parts and you want us to tell you if this engine is going to be ok? It doesnt sound like it the way i have read it.
?
22-05-2010, 09:32 AM
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next to me on my desk is a folder with loads of copys of peoples rolling road print outs from all over the country that i hve built or help build dating back to 1998. Not a single one of the graphs show less than 218bhp with a std engine and T3 turbo. The limiting factor would of been a small intercooler or not as efficiant or worn Turbo or head, cam etc etc..
The graphs are from different places all over from.
Interpro
Power engineering
Torque of the devil
Engine advantages
Sinclair motorsport
Jamsport
redlinetuning
AMD
to name a few.
Anyone who has been to my yard will be able to confirm these graphs for you. Maybe even some of the owners of these cars that have a std engine with decent power that are on here.
The graphs are from different places all over from.
Interpro
Power engineering
Torque of the devil
Engine advantages
Sinclair motorsport
Jamsport
redlinetuning
AMD
to name a few.
Anyone who has been to my yard will be able to confirm these graphs for you. Maybe even some of the owners of these cars that have a std engine with decent power that are on here.
22-05-2010, 09:42 AM
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The XR3 has another std engine that has already done 60k in a breaker that i had. With the same head as before which will be out on track this year. Thought id bring out FWD this year instead of RWD. Loads of videos of the XR3 on track on youtube. Take a look.
http://www.youtube.com/user/oddkiddcreations
22-05-2010, 09:48 AM
#54
If i dont think a Turbo will be able to handle the pressure and will cause issues then i will advise the customer of this and try to find a decent soloution. Just because it can run lots of boost doesnt mean i do on every car. If its not reliable then i wouldnt push it untill its ready.
22-05-2010, 09:59 AM
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I'm sorry Jano but I really dont see how even with new pipes, IC, actuator, etc.. that a stock T3 can hold that sort of boost, peek yes but hold no.
My entire engine and everything around it is new and my Stage 2 T3 .36/55 can only just hold 22/23psi to 6000rpm then that fades to 20psi, and that is ripping the absolute shit out of it using an AVC-R.
I honestly dont think the stock compressor wheel can flow that much air at high rpms, or I would be able to hold much more myself
But each to their own mate, we all have own experiences and opinions!
My entire engine and everything around it is new and my Stage 2 T3 .36/55 can only just hold 22/23psi to 6000rpm then that fades to 20psi, and that is ripping the absolute shit out of it using an AVC-R.
I honestly dont think the stock compressor wheel can flow that much air at high rpms, or I would be able to hold much more myself
But each to their own mate, we all have own experiences and opinions!
22-05-2010, 10:34 AM
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If i quote this from the first page you will clearly see i say that you can get 200bhp from a Std T3 BUT not with 12 psi obviously.
From another post yesterday i think it was i quoted that the max you should expect is around 220bhp from a Std T3 if everything else around it is in good condition and working at its best.
From another post yesterday i think it was i quoted that the max you should expect is around 220bhp from a Std T3 if everything else around it is in good condition and working at its best.
22-05-2010, 10:45 AM
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If i quote this from the first page you will clearly see i say that you can get 200bhp from a Std T3 BUT not with 12 psi obviously.
From another post yesterday i think it was i quoted that the max you should expect is around 220bhp from a Std T3 if everything else around it is in good condition and working at its best.
From another post yesterday i think it was i quoted that the max you should expect is around 220bhp from a Std T3 if everything else around it is in good condition and working at its best.
Karlos, out of the 200 cars i have built or helped build not one of them made less than 220bhp, as for dyno's my builds have been Rolling Road'ed all over the UK, none of the figures have been more tha 10bhp different from what we would expect. So if you want to argue about what power with a std Turbo and Cosworth management...... ones i have built are not a good example to use as i will always aim at the best results and get them!!
The cars that have had bigger Turbos and Engine work obviously make more than 220bhp.
In general if you bring a std 1600CVH engine and turbo, i will get around 220-240bhp from a std setup as long as the Turbo is in good working condition and the intercooler works well.
If you talking about MFi engine setups then yes 180-200bhp is very close to the safe limit. Making more power is not a problem with MFi, the problem is being reliable running loads of power.
The cars that have had bigger Turbos and Engine work obviously make more than 220bhp.
In general if you bring a std 1600CVH engine and turbo, i will get around 220-240bhp from a std setup as long as the Turbo is in good working condition and the intercooler works well.
If you talking about MFi engine setups then yes 180-200bhp is very close to the safe limit. Making more power is not a problem with MFi, the problem is being reliable running loads of power.
22-05-2010, 12:05 PM
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ok mate, probs was dodgie then. Seemed like a genuine ford enthusiast too, as he had a Capri too. But w/e lol, deals off now anyhow. I'm actually thinking to my self, i might just go for a newer car. Although i do love a good ERST. Decisions decisions!
22-05-2010, 07:00 PM
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Might not have been dodgy, but honestly mate, knowing what i know now i wouldn't touch an rst that hadn't been restored with a decent resto folder attached. The spec of that car wasn't overly impressive but that doesn't really matter, i can however safely say that 40k on a rebuild engine is too much, and you would need to set aside 5-800 for a rebuild (sooner or later) especially when you start trying to extract 200 brake.
In its last state my car had 185 brake and 205 ft.lbs and it went like stink, set a 14.4 at santapod and was just right in terms of traction and pace (in my opinion) for a semi relaxed road car.
Spec was
standard bottom end
standard head
standard cam (origionally thought it was a 285t2 but on removal it was standard)
stage 2 t3
superchips ecu
and a torque of the devil set up....
I would look around, look for a standardish car or one that has been fully 'done', have a budget of around 3K and try to get a decent efi converted car which has been restored some time in the last 3-5 years. Prices are going up now, i have seen some Mintymint cars fetching over 5 grand, these had 5-60,000 miles on and were either totally stock, or restored immaculate.
Good luck!
And Jano, a standard bottom end with 250 brake... fair play mate, stock rods too??? I've been meaning to pop by and say hello for a while now as im not too far down the road.
Cheers
Rob,
In its last state my car had 185 brake and 205 ft.lbs and it went like stink, set a 14.4 at santapod and was just right in terms of traction and pace (in my opinion) for a semi relaxed road car.
Spec was
standard bottom end
standard head
standard cam (origionally thought it was a 285t2 but on removal it was standard)
stage 2 t3
superchips ecu
and a torque of the devil set up....
I would look around, look for a standardish car or one that has been fully 'done', have a budget of around 3K and try to get a decent efi converted car which has been restored some time in the last 3-5 years. Prices are going up now, i have seen some Mintymint cars fetching over 5 grand, these had 5-60,000 miles on and were either totally stock, or restored immaculate.
Good luck!
And Jano, a standard bottom end with 250 brake... fair play mate, stock rods too??? I've been meaning to pop by and say hello for a while now as im not too far down the road.
Cheers
Rob,
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