jonny s2

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here we go again

crazycage

that is about right , you are full of shit! the mtx is a mile better than the bc, i am a clever clogs, but bernie does know how to build a box just not work miracles on the bc .

but i am not having a melt down just taking the piss.

morph

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40 cts stage 2 plus boxes! i doubt that very much

jonny s2

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morph did actually say BERNIE rates his gearboxes at 350hp,theres no denying the gearboxes are like a ticking timebomb.he rates them at that power BUT for how long

morph

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i thought the only thing left in a bc box in a stage 2 + was the bell housing everything else is ib5?

clever cloggs please explain to us for those peeps like myself that do not wish to have my inner arch moddified how we can go with an mtx conversion?

jonny s2

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then you just keep replacing gearboxes morph,mtx is far superior to the modified bc end of,id rather go down the fit and forget route of (crazycage's)moto,would be far cheaper in the long run

morph

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sorry but i would not cut up or bend or slice any of my inner wing just to get a stronger gearbox in, i would rather keep replacing broken boxes until another box that doesn't need major surgery to fit the rs turbo engine bay came along!

jonny s2

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i can understand this mate,most people dont want to do this for maybe future sales or originality

morph

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exactly mate! thats why i dont get why crazycage keeps thinking that it is the best conversion, when there are other factors that sway from the conversion!

ROB7656

my hathaway racing big bearing box has been in my car since 1997.....7psi lol

crazycage

you cant, but have you seen what needs doing to the inner wing ?? you wouldn't know it had been done . and there is always the 6 speeder you dont need to mod the inner wing with that . and as 40 cts boxes i know paul j had 13!!!

and whats your point about the ib5 there no better why do you think ford only put them on small output engines??

at the end of the day it is upto you what gearbox you run but i build my cars so i can get there full potential out of them i wouldn't with any ib5 or bc end of.

morph

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You still dont get it! i dont care how small the inner wing needs to be modified, it still needs to be done!
This doesn't look little to me, the metal is bent back, shaved off, the inner wing now looks very close the the strut.


as for the 6 speeded that was a conversion i was very interested in and will probably go with that in the future as the cost is too much to convert to at present, so until then i will stick with the bc/ib5 box and avoid 1st and 2gear launches!
13 sounds more realistic and why dont you advise how those cars were ran?
most were used for top speeds, drag strip and other things that puts alot of strain on the transmission components.
Can you honestly say that a mtx box won't blow soon or later it will happen to that aswell!

crazycage

your right my mtx will break sooner or later but when it does it will only cost me £50 for a second hand 2.0 focus box and put my diff in it!! how much will it cost you when your cts stg2+ breaks?

Lloyd

mtx is cheap to replace once its been done,i struggle to get your point,why build a powerfull car then not use it? because the gearbox cant take it.? you may as well just leave the engine standard.

project rs

that lloyd is the truest thing i've heard in a while and is part of the reason tim hasn't been able to give it his all lately at fear of breaking another box and why i'm kicking myself as i will no doubt break this jamsport box but when i started to build this car the mtx was still a new/ costly route but i am going to try the 6 speeder as would like to not cut wing if possible and i've already got a hydrolic clutch so am part way there

morph

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the intial cost is far more, and then chopping the inner wing to me is not worth doing the conversion as i dont want any of my chassis chopped, if you can't understand that then fair enough
So the only way you see using the full potenial of the car is by launching it in 1st/2nd gear?
how many races have you done doing that then? how many track events have you done lauching in 1st or 2nd?

morph

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i have no idea, would that not depend on whats broken rather than a price for a full box?
and its easy for you to say yeah £50 quid and put my diff in, what about the majority of peeps who can't actually do that?

morph

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same here, wont cut wing but if the 6 speeder getrag route does not entail that then i will possibly save and wait for that route!

Lloyd

[quote=morph;4557393]the intial cost is far more, and then chopping the inner wing to me is not worth doing the conversion as i dont want any of my chassis chopped, if you can't understand that then fair enough
So the only way you see using the full potenial of the car is by launching it in 1st/2nd gear?
how many races have you done doing that then? how many track events have you done lauching in 1st or 2nd?[/quote

modded cars normally get used for 3 events
top speed,you have to launch the car to achive its best speed.
0 to 60 or 1/4 mile. again requires a launch to get a good time
track use, the heat and torque of a powerfull engine will kill a gearbox very quickly round a track.
i launched my last car every chance i got.

jamieRST

doubt a rs turbo would break modified mtx75 with quaife internals.thats what i plan to fit to mine.

project rs

i wonder if someone has tried the quaife uprated gears for the ib5 as that i thought would give the strongest standardish straight fit box

little bram

arent quaife gear kits abit noisey mate wouldnt be good if you lik to use your car at the weekends. think i would get sik of it.
why do people buy new input shaft when upgrating a rs box. mite be me not thinking but why would you change it if its not damaged. Cant see it being any stronger buying new

nigel b

my stage 2+box has lasted for a few years and had a few track outings

Raj_FRST

ive done a lot of research into these choices, ive come to the following conclusion

with the cts s2 (which is what I have bought) one might last years the other could brake at the first press of the loud pedal. This is fact as it has happened. When I spoke to CTS they doidnt mention anything about a warranty for stripping cogs as these are used parts, the bearings and atb are the only new parts bar the thrust bearing. I got the impression if the diff or shaft failed then it would be replaced but anything else then you are on your own. I think thats understandable because how would they know the exact power of your engine? it could have 500+ for all they know.

I think the only way forward with a rst pushing 230+bhp is the MTX box, which in reality costs near the 3K mark alltogether (I may be off the mark with that)

Spoke to Simon smail the other day and he explained thew process, there is a lot of work involved but I gues the phrase, do it right, do it once is rather relevent here.

Hope this helps

Karlos G

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Any straight cut gear set wil be a bit noisey yes mate, and the input shaft is changed because it wears were it sits in the bearing.

xr2wishy

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as said the MTX is just a stronger box as standard, bigger shafts input and main, bigger cogs too, hence the larger housing.
it's obviously stronger, the bc/ib5 went on engine from 90bhp upto 130bhp, can't really think they'll work for massive power for long.
at least the mtx75 rs2k started work on a 150bhp I4 engine, so 60bhp more than the weakest engine a bc/ib5 was working on.

Raj_FRST

I need to correct myself, as well as the mtx there is also the 6 speed mt285 gartrag box which is also a favorite, I thought the mtx was this but thats the one from the focus rs

sorry for the duff info peeps

muz

The Quaife gearsets are noisey and are only rated themselves to 175BHP and 200FT/LBS of tourque apparently by Quaife. I don't think anyone has actaully ever broken one or sheerd any teeth. Plus the fact that they are £1600 new without the ATB diff and fitting means they really cost about £2,500 new.

I'll let you know how I get on with mine, although, mine wont be used daily

jamieRST

yeah they are noisy but i like the sound of them and would use mine everyday.

MUZ- Are you getting the gearkit for the bc box?as surely the mtx75 with the quaife internals will hold more than 175bhp-200lbs.

muz

Ive already got a Quaife BC box. It should hold way more power than that though as te standard boxes strip gear teeth and kill mainshafts. With the Quaife kit you get all new kit which looks a million times better made than the Ford stuff. I think Quaife severly underate their gear kits for warentee perposes.

jamieRST

any chance of uploading a vid so can hear the sound of the gear box mate?

muz

It's in bit's at the moment, as is the rest of the engine and general car This is the same box in a Fiesta Zetec Turbo.

http://s549.photobucket.com/albums/i...0083moving.flv

jamieRST

sounds nice,and you havent broken it in yours yet? quaife must really understate the power it can take then..maybe quaife bc is a good choice,cheaper than a quaife mtx75. what does it top out at,as ive heard figures of 120 ish? cuz of the gearing...

muz

I haven't even used it yet. It's up the barn waiting lol. Top speed on my box is about 120.

jamieRST

il be interested to know how long it lasts in there lol for refernece purposes. if it doesnt last,itl have to be a quaife mtx75

Badman38

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i dont know where some people are getting there info from as far as i know paul johnson never used cts boxes yes he went through 13, the nms boys broke the mainshaft on the cts bc box but repaired themselves the mainshaft broke twice, christian went down his own route not cts.
the mtx75 is the only way to go i ran a cts stage two plus with 350+ bhp but i removed the box after every season for a check over even though the gearbox seamed to drive ok it was always a case that so many parts were worn or even broken everytime i had a bill for £300 or more, maybe i got to the box before it all went pete tong.... the bc box is a timebomb which could go at anytime please go through the expense of fitting a mtx75 just think of how many high mileage mondeo and focus are out there with the original box you try and find a bc box on a high mileage engine which has not had a rebuild of sorts.. Dont get me wrong i broke 8 bc boxes one which was only three days old and a cts stage two and the only box lasted was the cts stage two plus, if i had to do it all over again i would go for a mtx75.
back in the day sunny had a quaife straight cut bc box and broke the gears cts went looking for a alternative then they started to modify there own boxes sunny ended up with the stage two plus

sean

morph

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Mate nice to hear some correct info!
13 cts boxes was quoated by crazycage and did seem abit unrealistic.
at least we know who actually does chat shite on here!

crazycage

ok i talk a load of shit!!!! my point was not that cts are shit far from it, i was saying the ib5/bc IS shit and paul broke loads of them, im well aware he never used cts he used a place in Manchester much closer to him. try dropping paul j a pm thats his user name on here and ask him why he had two boxes one in the car and rebuilt ready for the one in the car to brake and ask him how manny he broke you bell .

crazycage

here's exactly what i said.... that tim olly paul j christian ect would of been through about 40 boxes between them

i never said cts YOU DID , i was just talking about any ib5 /bc boxes as there all shit for big power.

and you still find 40 a big number even tho turboboss has just said he has been through 8

but you you want to run one thats upto you.

morph

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First of all you mentioned that paul J chrsitian etc had been through 40 boxes ! which is correct you did say that! then i replied and said '40 cts boxes i very much doubt' that to which you replied '13' which would refer to mean as 13 CTS boxes! and now you are trying to suggest you didn't, why? where you think turboboss got 13 from?
if you have real facts then state it and state the correct amount and about the correct box!



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