Northants Ford Fan

Hi ya everyone newbi here with a question, what engines have people fitted into a mk4 escort other than the obivous turbo cvh, zetec and rwd cosworth ? as ive got a mk4 cab and fancy something different in the engine bay, that gives reasonable power for sensible money. cheers for any info

pa_sjo

small block ford? probably cheapest per-bhp

Northants Ford Fan

I would love the sound of a v8 under the bonnet, but I would cost me a small fortune to run eg fuel and of course tyres

Johnny Knoxville

Seen a ST220 engine a Mk4 cab

A bit too big and heavy really

You could fit a 2.0 Duratec or I5 to be different or you could get away from a ford engine. I would love to see someone fit a Audi/VW 1.8 20v Turbo VAG now that would be different

Turbocabbie

the biggest problem you have with the cabby is that on top of the engine you have to resolve shell flex, bad scuttle shake and terrible brakes, not to mention make the most out of the handling... its all this that costs the money

Northants Ford Fan

Ive had a few ideas of motors eg focus rs or the focus st 5 pot engine as they give good power to start off with, and dont worry I know that ive got other things to sort along with the engine, ie handling (coilovers and adustable tca's and rollbar) and brakes which ive got (saph cossy)

Karlos G

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Sounds like you've got some fun ahead of you mate!

Keep us posted!

roro22

I remember there was an rs2000 turbo engine in one I saw years ago in a mag

I would love to see a VAG 1.8T in one or a LET

Johnny Knoxville

Seen a LET in a Escort that was for sale on Ebay

roro22

Any links/pics mate?

studabear

tdci focus engine would be differant

Johnny Knoxville

None sorry

anodised

im doing the same as this person

got a rolling shell with coilovers adjustable tca's adjustable tie bars

ive settled on a st170 so i can use the 6 speed box

but i do have a st220 6 speed box aswell just need to find a noble m14 engine for it

Turbocabbie

I thought you wanted something different, the focus lump is not different I know three escorts running this and ones a cabby.
Having driven my cabby and a focus rs powered cabby, It is not a conversion I would personally do, I really do not like the way the engine produces power and they are slow

I know of cabbys with the following engines if you want to be really different, cvh, zetec, duratec, v6, v8, yb, vtec

On a cabby I would not suggesting running coilovers unless you really really need to as they give a poor ride quality for a road car and do create further issues with the shell which then need to be resolved. Im now forced to run coilovers based on my new suspension setup but would choose not to if I could.

Northants Ford Fan

hi turbo cabbie the only reason i thought about the focus rs engine is that it gives fairly good power standard which save me having to tune it loads before it goes in as i have also the cost of the coversion before modding the engine, but i dont mind a challenge if im gonna get a nice motor at the end of it

Turbocabbie

Although I run a high spec cabriolet with decent power, I would most certainly admit that its not a nice car to own or drive. I would say the same for my mates focus rs powered cabriolet... If you want a nice motor at the end, I would suggest that you do not do this

If someone asked me what I consider to be the best spec for a cabriolet, I would have to say 1.6 cvh, with a ported head and cam running alternative management and a front mounted inter cooler... it produces a great, fun car with class performance.

Northants Ford Fan

so what your saying is its not really worth the agro converting to zetec or duratec, what about a decent zvh ? if i do go cvh turbo where is the best place to get a engine rebuilt as ive got a turbo cvh in my lock up which needs refreshing, and whats the best sort of management to use ? sorry for all the questions but i wanna get it right first time round

steveS2RS

hi m8 i would recomend paying a visit to jamsport for a rebuild and use gotech management which they can also supply which ive been led 2 belive is a reliable and fairly priced according to a friend

roro22

I have thought about the focus RS engine as a complete transplant to get rid of the wank gearbox and have some more smoother power from low down (tbh I just assumed that it would be those things rather than knowing them) and more reliability from the same power

Turbocabbie

Although I have nothing against go-tech you are very limited by professional mappers, I am aware of only two. Jamsport and Si-Tech
As such should you require mapping and not wish to do it yourself, you have limited choice regarding who you can use.

I use cossie management, it can be mapped by NMS, MSD, Amhed, EA and many others, and this is without mentioning the fact that the fastest escorts in the UK run this management. It is well proven, its good enough for a big power cossies so a little cvh escort is no problem. It has great second hand value, my ECU still sells for the same kind of money that I paid for it

marky_g

me and a mate have been lookin into this its a total bastard of a job that'll cost thousands let alone price of engine and box

the FRS box is a mtx75 with cable linkage this is a fukker as u need the focus stuff, you'll need custom drive shafts, hubs etc etc.

the FRS management needs everything to run properly (full loom, PATS, clocks, ingintion system etc etc)

the easyest way we worked out is to use FRS engine/turbo only then get aftermarket managment, colling, mounts and you'll have to keep your original box and shafts as it is basically black top zetec.

if u wanna be diffrent use a C20LET or a jap engine Vtec/200sx etc etc

the VGA 1.8T engine is a bastard as like the duratec the turbos at the back inlet at the front

marky_g

problem is this once cheap option is no longer cheap you looking at 1200+ fitted by a tuner where as gotec is less that 1000 and omex is about 1200 thats all fitted with loom etc etc and thats brand new out the packet management not stuff thats been on a car for 10/15 years

Turbocabbie

Ive never understood this argument, unless it comes from a tuner who sells new kit but the argument is flawed as its not like you are sticking the management on a brand new car or engine, your sticking it on one that's been around for 10/15 years

Rather than quote prices without comparing functionality, show me another ECU I could buy for Ł350 which is capable of running a coil pack, water injection, air injectors (or some other ecu controlled mappable boost management) while still having available data stream information.

When you consider that the type of ecu found in the cossie is used on Lancia's Ferrari's and Ducatti's not to mention high powered Cosworth's, it is most certainly enough for a CVH
It has a proven motorsport history and the fact that its still being used today by many people when there a wide number of alternatives on the market shows just how capable it still is.
The fact that if I live in wales, london, newcastle or anywhere else and can find someone to professionally map it with a lot of experience made me decide upon Cossie management.

marky_g

"Rather than quote prices without comparing functionality, show me another ECU I could buy for Ł350 which is capable of running a coil pack, water injection, air injectors (or some other ecu controlled mappable boost management) while still having available data stream information."

the bloke says hes on a budget whens he gonna use any of that stuff that u need add on boards for anyway as far as im aware omex is capable of allt those things, mate of mines just put a new engine in car frst and his option where weber, omex or gotec and weber came out most expensive to fit and was not brand new thats why it was rulled out

dont get me wrong im not saying weber is shit its just not the budget option anymore and it involves alot of 2nd hard parts.

oh all the the Scottish boys bin weber on there cossie's because no where can map it up there, so u cant says it can be mapped anywhere as a good point because its simply not true.

Turbocabbie

Im not suggesting that Webber is the budget option, im just stating that when people compare gotech to webber they always blur what exactly you get.. the cheap gotech Mfi does not have the ability to use a coil pack and costs : Ł291.75
Which for a little over this price, I got a Webber ECU which was capable of coil pack, water injection, air injectors, anti-lag

I used new injectors, new coilpack, new loom, but I must admit that I did use an old ECU which has no moving parts to wear... but then again if I took the gotech option I would still be using an old distributor with moving wearing parts.

The ECU i use is still selling for the same kind of money I paid for it two years ago and as such I will reclaim much of the cost when I sell it, which is often discounted

The cheap option is mega squirt without a doubt and its a very good system.

Although I appreciate that what I said was not true, It would be unreasonable to think that you could get Webber management mapped absolutely anywhere. I do think that availability of experienced mappers is a valid point.. If my car needs mapping in london I can take the car to grove, power engineering, ea to name but a few.... If my car needs mapping in bristol I can take it to Norris Designs.. If my car needs mapping in Leeds im not to far from MSD and this is the case in most place in the UK.
All I was attempting to suggest is that you are never to far from someone with vast experience who can map Webber.. Can you say the same for Go-tech?

Turbocabbie

think we will have to agree to disagree

JAMSPORT

Any one can access the gotech software just like most other ecu's so any one can map it. You can download it here www.jam-sport.co.uk/gotechsupport.asp

So if you can map professionaly you can map gotech.

Turbocabbie

Although this is true when you ask companies involved with tuning fords and professional mappers such as TOTD, PE, MSD, FMS, EA, MSD, Norris and others if they will you map gotech and how much experience do you have in doing such. The response is usually not a supportive one for the customer.
When I was considering management options including go-tech the only places I could find with experience with mapping it was jam-sport and si-tech, do you know of others ?

marky_g

go tech pro can be used with coil pack don't think its that much more expensive, def under 1k

basic go tech needs a hall sensor

don't get me wrong not saying Weber doesn't work or isn't any good just that if ur on a budget its not for you

i mean if i got weber cheap i'd use it lol

JAMSPORT

Firstly,

the whole idea of using the gotech mfi ecu is the ease of installation, its a quick and easy way of converting a mechanical injection system to electronic without machining bottom pullies etc!

you can buy a gotech mfi ecu and loom for Ł361.24

As for people not being able to map it, im not sure why they cant, we have the ability to map alot of systems, and so long as we can get the software and a data cable we will map anything.

Turbocabbie

Out of curiosity how many tuners in the UK do you know that map gotech?

O.K.C

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not many? lol.

marky_g

according to jamsport anyone who nos how to map a car and has a lap top

O.K.C

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lol in that case we are all top tuners hahaha

marky_g

just repeating what ive been told

rickbartlett

ive always wanted a v8 in a mark 4 ,would be awesome,an engine that can take some real abuse and rear wheel drive