JimmyBoy

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There use to be a picture somewhere that showed you what leads on the dizzy connected to what sparkplug, anybody know the order or where I could find said picture.

Thanks.

hodgie

going anti clockwise starting top right as you look at it..1,3,2,4 iirc

Moonie

addiction

1,3,4,2.

homer j

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odd was certain mine was that pic but rotated ninety degrees clockwise

SafeChav

A lot of the diagrams floating around are wrong!

Best way is to time the engine up so number 1 is at TDC and remove the dizzy cap to establish number 1, then work round the cap anticlockwise in the firing sequence

JimmyBoy

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That sounds a bit complicated for me!! lol

I have the leads on, but am getting no joy , I get the occasional "pop" out of the exhaust, but it wont start. Problem is, I dont know if its the firing order or some other problem. I tried disconnecting the Cold Start plug but that made no difference.

SafeChav

As i say, time the engine up so the bottom and top timing marks line up.

Remove the dizzy cap, and the rotor arm will be pointing pretty much at one of the connections, that is number 1!

Then as you look at the dizzy cap, working ANTI clockwise, fit number 3, then 4, then 2.

Fool proof, no guess work involved.

JimmyBoy

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Thats the bit I dont understand lol, I feel like such a n00b

SafeChav

Dont be silly! You're better off asking than guessing!

Have you got a haynes manual?

JimmyBoy

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yes, I have a haynes manual, I tired finding what I was looking for in there, but couldnt find it.

SafeChav

look in the first section "routine maintainence and servicing", you'll see "timing belt renewal", t will explain explain the procedure in there.

Basically there is a notch in the bottom pulley and a marker on the cam pulley which both need lining up, its very easy

JimmyBoy

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Ok, thanks very much, i'll give it a try!!! , a mate said something like this earlier on and said you have to make sure it is on the compression stroke and not the exhaust stroke? is this right, how do I know - or is this explained in the haynes manual?

Just out of curiousity, do you do any damage cranking it over with the firing order wrong ?

SafeChav

If its not timed up right the marker on the cam pulley will be 180 degrees out as it spins at half the speed of the bottom end

It will be obvious when you read the haynes manual and look at the pretty pictures lol

JimmyBoy

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Am I right in saying that if the firing order is 1,3,4,2 then this means I take position number 1 on the dizzy (once I have actually confirmed poistion 1 by timing it up) to the spark nearest the timing belt? Then position #3 on the dizzy goes to the 2nd spark plug (counting from the timing belt side), dizzy number 4 goes to spark 3 and dizzy 2 to spark 4 ?

Does that make ANY sense? lol

Moonie

Position #3 on the dizzy in the next one round anti-clockwise from number # 1 and it goes to plug #3.

The cylinders/plugs are numberd from the cambelt end, #1 is nearest the cambelt and #4 is furthest away from the cambelt (nearest the dizzy).

So plug #3 is 3 along from the cambelt end.

JimmyBoy

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So position number 2 on the dizzy goes to spark plug #2 ?

JimmyBoy

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Will you do any damage by cranking it over with the wrong firing order ?

I did it earlier on and it made a few klonks & bangs so I stopped what I was doing as I didnt like the sound of it!

SafeChav

You wont do any damage.

You're making it more complicated than it has to be, find number 1 then work round the cap anti clockwise in the firing order.

JimmyBoy

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Ahh, ok.

Well I did actually get it to fire up, but it was running like a bag of shit. I presume I either have got the firing order wrong or I have got an air leak somewhere.

Fiecos Dan

2 --------- 4

1 --------- 3



Thats as it should be if you look at it from the passenger side, looking straight at it.

Moonie

There seems to be two variations as to the position of the dizzy cap HT terminals.

Just had a look at mine.....

3---------1


4---------2

It seems from most posts (ignore the above pic) that #1 will either be at top right or bottom left (looking from passenger side) depending on which way roung the dizzy drive lug has been located in the cam.

SafeChav

WTF????????

You can only locate the dizzy drive lug in one orientation, number 1 is ALWAYS on the top side of the dizzy

This is why i said to time the engine up and identify number 1 for yourself.

IF you had it running - hold the revs and get it warm, its probably flooded itself with all the previous attempts to start

Moonie

Is the drive lug offset?

Moonie

In fact thinking about it i think it is

Its late, im off to bed...

SafeChav

Fiecos Dan

Thats odd.

i've got a rst in my drive at the moment, and thats what i got the info off.

i'll check it at No 1 tdc, but its run ok before.

Alex_86

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not if you have a 180 degrees turn on it like some have

SafeChav

180 degree turn on what?

Alex_86

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hm, what could it be mate? the wheel? the dizzy!!

SafeChav

You cant fit them 180 degrees out the cam drive lug is offset, unless your talking about spinning the housing 180 degrees around but what would be the point in that?

SafeChav

actually that said it would still be at the top!

Just means the multiplug would be at the bottom not the top!

Alex_86

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, if i only could explain this in Norwegian to you! then u would understand it.. as i am not very good in English, and specially technical words
so cant you borrow vroooom ptssssh translator

because: hvis tenningen er snud 180 grader vil timingen vćre forskjellig som det er postet her

2 --------- 4

1 --------- 3

som den ene har mens den andre har

3---------1


4---------2

noe som da resulterer til at den nederste har 180 graders vridd tenning.

u did not understand a word did u.

the timing at the bottom has a 180 degrees turned ignition

SafeChav

Yes.........but the only way to achieve timing 180 degrees out is to locate the locking key on the distributor, into the camshaft 180 degrees out, which isn't possible.

Do you understand what i mean?

Alex_86

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not sure...or maybe i have read it wrong here....so you mean, that it is no cars(rst) with 180 degrees turned ignition/timing.

or do u mean that nr 1 on the dizzy is always on the top left?

SafeChav

Number 1 should always be on the top just because the dizzy can only be fitted one way, for obvious reasons.

No doubt someone somewhere has done something to fit it 180 degrees out but it shouldnt be like that

Alex_86

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hehe, so you emit that some of the cars has it
thats all i need

SafeChav

Possibly some cars might, but its not meant to be like it and it wouldnt of been easy to do it because as i say the cam shaft locking key is offset.

Fiecos Dan

But,

the elignment key on the dissy, could be turn round, as thats on a roll pin.

SafeChav

No because its offset too far for the roll pin to compensate, the roll pin is only there to allow free movement because off the offset!