RST Ski

anyone using the front mount intercooler kit from auto specialists, its in page 22 of fast ford, seem like great value £265 for the kit, cooler, x2 slimline fans, brackets, and the boost hose outlet pipes are on the same side so the original hoses will fit

just wanna know if anyone has tested this yet?

©hatter Box

it may be cheap but does it work well

Oranoco

Was thinking of getting one of these to try out on my Fiesta.

gus

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would be interesting to see how there stuff rates



as seem to be very cheap

JimmyBoy

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Was thinking of one of these too.

antony215

I know SaqsS2turbo got one of there rad's and it blow up and when i emailed auto specialists and asked them what ACT's they see when they tested the intercooler they said they dont know they only tested it to see what bhp increase they got with it

JimmyBoy

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Seems a bit poor that they wouldnt test for ACT's as thats its primary job! lol

All there other products are quality though I believe, and it is a good price.

stuart collins

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ill be runnin 1

rstubby

im fitting mine tommorow, they are this price as they are an introductory price and want to get more people to buy them, one lad with an orion rst won a front mount and had it rolling roaded when set up and got a 20hp increase which i think is pritty damn good, although i am also fitting their alloy rad as well so will see what happens.

RST Ski

AIRTEC also do a simular intercooler with fans ect for the same price

andyorion

Really, it was my mate who won that cooler. Granted he has fitted it and feels there is a difference even though its running a slightly lower boost level, however he hasn't had it rolling roaded yet to claim any differences in power

andyorion

The cooler that Auto Specialists sell is an Airtec

Karlos G

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What sort of BHP gain can you expect from a FMI?
I'm thinking of getting one but its a lot of money if for only a few horses!

fordorionrs

That would be me then
As Andy has said though, I have not had it RR'd yet and I havn't quoted any estimated bhp increase. I was running a Pace chargecooler before which was holding 14psi and it was RR'd at 180bhp.
Since fitting the intercooler the boost has dropped to 10-12psi I guess due to the volume increase in the system but with no noticable loss in power
I have played a little with a bleed valve but unfortunately even at 14psi the standard clutch can't take it and slips like a bastard which never happened with the chargecooler setup so by my reckoning there should be a pretty reasonable gain in power from the cooler.
I do plan to fit an uprated clutch in the next few months and then I will get it set up on the rollers at about 16psi hopefully and see what the out come is. The only other thing I have done since is fitted a bailey oil separater which isn't going to make any difference really.
Anyway, I'm happy with it and for the money I don't think you can go wrong really

scotty86d

Its not just power!!!!
It keeps your acts down which in turn will help stop you blowing your motor up.
It needs to be rolling roaded after fitting though!!

Karlos G

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Keeps your acts down? WHat does acts mean?
Sorry if this sounds stupid but i have no idea!

JimmyBoy

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Yes, the main purpose of an I/C is to keep the ACT's down and as a by-product you will get more power.

neilrev

air charge temperature mate

Oranoco

Is this the one in Performance Ford the other month in the readers cars section?

Looks cool. Got a soft spot for Onions

Maxxeh

would i be able to put the fans which come with the i/c on the rad?

andyorion

Well this is something I was looking into. Essentially the fans which come with the intercooler are fairly chunky and going by what I have been told by fordorionrs the clearance between the cooler and the rad can be as much as about an inch as these coolers have adjustable fixing brackets. However the intercoolers fans are too big to go in this gap, so the way I was thinking was to look into those slim line fans by the likes of Kenlowe which I suspect may fit with a bit of jiggling.

fordorionrs

Cheers Yes it is but the pics were ones I sent them about 2 years ago That was when I was running the chargecooler and I had the mondeo 5 spokes on it.

It is pretty tight between the cooler and the rad with the supplied brackets but I see no reason why it can't be sat forward a little further if you made your own brackets. All they are is a bit of angle aluminium with a couple of slots drilled into them. Easy!

Versus_Creations

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I have tested all available coolers on the market at the mo and have not found one as good as the GRS items.

The ACT is whats important here not the fooking price!

Sexy-RS

Be interesting to see what the act's are.

The custom pro alloy one that was made for Alex's car is the Bollox beat my GRS hands down hence me now selling the GRS after using it twice

Versus_Creations

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Strange. Every PRO alloy one i have tested has never been as low acts as the GRS items!

As for the core design on the pro alloy, i still dont understand it?

rstubby

sorry mate i didnt know u hadnt had it rr'ed i only quoted what i read somewhere, i just fitted mine and it seems awsome just got to get my car setup now

Maxxeh

som1 please test out the ACT for this interrcooooollllller lol

Sexy-RS

Yes our previous ones the acts was not good on our cars hence i changed to GRS lol But they took his car had it a few months used a differant core as well i think and it is the BOLLOX been tested by Grove when they mapped his car at the same time mine was done and his results where better My car had boost drop and lost its agressivness when i put the grs on it to Anyway i am having Alexs now As he don't need it anymore lol I have had to swap him for my intergarili injectors and map sensor tho

Sexy-RS

Just for your interest - This is the pro alloy one they sell



And this is the custom jobby they made

LEE-RS

a pro alloy custom made item is not really a fair comparison to a grs off the shelf one

graham from grs makes custom coolers also single pass which flow loads more than is off the shelf twin pass ie: no boost drop and lower acts

another thing to consider is the flow ability at high boost some coolers start to struggle after 24 psi grs as been tested 30 psi +

JimmyBoy

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I think we could do with a proper test of this I/C being carried out, to see what the results are.

fordorionrs

So what were the ACT's of the GRS in comparison with the Airtec then?

andyorion

Yeah any idea's on this Jano please?

neilrev

alloy rad looks good value as well at £200

Versus_Creations

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Ok peeps from memory!

The GRS was a steady SUB-30degree driving round town during the day etc.. Thats with a 90 spec bumper and fans on the front of the cooler.
On boost with 20psi it was still below 40degree after a long time at full boost.

(On my S1 Wens night at PF i had temps of 9degree crusing home)

The AIrtec type i have not seen get below 30degree unless on the motorway. On boost the ACT rises quickly. This is due to the fins used on the core itself.

The above was tested on the same car (Cab)



I have tested Pace large front mount (Single pass)
Air tec
GRS Evo 1 all the way to Evo 5 and custom ones
Pro Alloy FRST and ERST
2x Cossie intercoolers bodged together

+ Many more that are not worth talking about.



REMEBER THAT THIS COMPONENT IS WHAT KEEPS YOUR ENGINE AT SAFE TEMPS AND PRODUCES THE RESULTS AS LONG AS EVERYTHING ELSE IS 100%.

Chris69

thats some good info jano
when u say the act's rise quickly on the airtec, are u on about putting 20/30psi through it??
just trying to get an idea of wot sorta power, boost pressure the airtec would be suitable upto

Versus_Creations

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yeah most of the cars who have had the coolers fitted by me or tested after setup have been running 14psi plus.

When i say ACT rise quickly i mean when on full boost and holding for X amount of time.

The reason is that the air inside the cooler can not be cooled down as fast as it comes out of the turbo. Thus casuing higher ACT than other coolers.

andyorion

So with the GRS intercooler fitted and the twin fans on the front of the intercooler what where the engine coolant running temps like when driving and in traffic? Where there any over heating issues at all? Also was the cooler a git to fit or was it a straight bolt in job

Versus_Creations

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Ok last night @ 10:30pm driving to lakeside on a 50mph road the ACT was 17degree. When i arrived at the location the ACT had dropped to 12degree. After sitting around for about 20mins with the engine running the ACT rised to 28degree, (THIS WAS MAINLY HEATSOAK!)
As soon as i started to drive within 1/4 of a mile the ACT was back down below 20degree.

On full boost 22psi the highest i see the ACT last night was 22degree after 2.3miles of high speed.

I have NEVER had any issues with Engiine coolant temps! It really gets to me when people blame their intercoolers for high temps.

If you have a decent water system there is no reason to have any issues with this. If you have a 15-20 year old rad, crusty old water pump, and never changed the water etc.. what do you expect to happen?




The GRS coolers i use have been modified to work how i want them to having different brackets and also pipework.

But ALL GRS intercoolers which are off the shelf for the FRST or ERST from EVO1 - EVO5 have been designed to fit with the smallest amount of effort from your self. They are very easy to fit and work 100% as expected.

Im no sales man for GRS i just like to use parts and components that i trust myself on my own cars.


Better stop typing now.

andyorion

Very fair comments, ACT temperatures sound very good especially when idling for 20 min's! As for engine coolant temperatures I suppose that your right regarding age of the system etc. Alot of RST owners buy a 15 -20 year old car which has had an easy life with less than brilliant service history, then modify it and expect it to handle it like a new car. Perhaps this is why the RST has a bad name for reliablity.

Would you expect the standard off the shelf component to fair much worse act and coolant temperature wise?