gotech Managment
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It makes me laugh when people state that my cossie ecu is old when the new ecu they are buying is still ending up in a car which is 20 years old what I fail to understand however is if age of components are important you are relying on a 20 year old distributor with moving parts that wear as part of your ignition system. My ecu which you stated was old has no moving parts to wear and uses coil pack for a more effective spark
Again any one can map the gotech ecu, the software is free and the comms lead is a simple cable, if they can map DTA, omex, Cossie etc, then they can map gotech.
Also im not saying cossie management isn't good, i believe i was one of the first people to have done this conversion to my own escort RST in 1996, with cossie management i set many records which took a while to beat.
So i believe were quite experienced in the cossie management area
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have been thinking about going this route instead of chipping my s2 obviously need a -31 etc for more than standard boost would this be overkill for a standard s2?
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Not only can you still buy cossie sensors, but you do not even need to use them im using zetec sensors on my cossie management, I also got a new braided loom when mine was fitted.
It makes me laugh when people state that my cossie ecu is old when the new ecu they are buying is still ending up in a car which is 20 years old what I fail to understand however is if age of components are important you are relying on a 20 year old distributor with moving parts that wear as part of your ignition system. My ecu which you stated was old has no moving parts to wear and uses coil pack for a more effective spark
If you commenting on management at least present all the facts, Gotech can be mapped by very few professional tuners in the UK as such if you require a remap, getting your car to them could be an issue.. How many mappers can you name?
Cossie management can be mapped by Amhed, MSD, Norris, EA, PE, Reyland to name but a few, need me to name more ?
The cossie ECU has been proven through the years and currently powers the fastest and the second fastest escorts in the UK which proves how capable it is, not on paper, not in a forum, where it matters on the car
This person should review all management systems and decide what is right for them, what ever is said a ECU is only as capable as the mapper.
Best advise to give someone is find a mapper you like and trust and use what they recommend and are experienced with no matter if that is Megasquit, Gotech, DTA, Cossie or anything else.
It makes me laugh when people state that my cossie ecu is old when the new ecu they are buying is still ending up in a car which is 20 years old what I fail to understand however is if age of components are important you are relying on a 20 year old distributor with moving parts that wear as part of your ignition system. My ecu which you stated was old has no moving parts to wear and uses coil pack for a more effective spark
If you commenting on management at least present all the facts, Gotech can be mapped by very few professional tuners in the UK as such if you require a remap, getting your car to them could be an issue.. How many mappers can you name?
Cossie management can be mapped by Amhed, MSD, Norris, EA, PE, Reyland to name but a few, need me to name more ?
The cossie ECU has been proven through the years and currently powers the fastest and the second fastest escorts in the UK which proves how capable it is, not on paper, not in a forum, where it matters on the car
This person should review all management systems and decide what is right for them, what ever is said a ECU is only as capable as the mapper.
Best advise to give someone is find a mapper you like and trust and use what they recommend and are experienced with no matter if that is Megasquit, Gotech, DTA, Cossie or anything else.
#49
To start an argument, I would have had to state that one type of management was better than another which I never did, I was attempting to find out why someone believed this to be the case for my own knowledge and interest and the thread.
Unfortunately the response to support this statement lacked evidence, facts and knowledge as was pointed out.
The only suggestion I made in the thread to people is find a mapper you trust and use the system they are most experienced with.
I hold Jamie in high regards and have always found him to be knowledgeable, approachable and helpful which from my experience means a car would be in good hands with him. One of the most valid pieces of information regarding go-tech is 'its ease of fit' which is as important to some people as local skilled and knowledgeable mappers are for me. Yet this information was provided by Jamie himself and not a fan boy. A true indication of Jamies knowledge is that he only presented valid facts and information but if you notice never stated one management system is better than another.
All management systems offer value in different ways, and im sure Jamie would agree with this comment, but for someone to outright state one management system is better than another as if it is a fact is wrong, specially when you have nothing of value to support your statement.
Sorry for not following the line and being a sheep, but I always think I learn more by questioning someone's beliefs, even if people think im argumentative
Im done with this thread believe what you want, sod wanting information of value
Unfortunately the response to support this statement lacked evidence, facts and knowledge as was pointed out.
The only suggestion I made in the thread to people is find a mapper you trust and use the system they are most experienced with.
I hold Jamie in high regards and have always found him to be knowledgeable, approachable and helpful which from my experience means a car would be in good hands with him. One of the most valid pieces of information regarding go-tech is 'its ease of fit' which is as important to some people as local skilled and knowledgeable mappers are for me. Yet this information was provided by Jamie himself and not a fan boy. A true indication of Jamies knowledge is that he only presented valid facts and information but if you notice never stated one management system is better than another.
All management systems offer value in different ways, and im sure Jamie would agree with this comment, but for someone to outright state one management system is better than another as if it is a fact is wrong, specially when you have nothing of value to support your statement.
Sorry for not following the line and being a sheep, but I always think I learn more by questioning someone's beliefs, even if people think im argumentative
Im done with this thread believe what you want, sod wanting information of value
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FAN BOY I know why gotech is better than an old cossie set up don't forget i've had both so i can COMMENT can you the reason why i say gotech is better is ease of fitting the system, parts & price why pay over a grand for a second hand set up when you can get a brand new management cheaper which has more features than a 20 year old management. (so i've been told) And for me it's getting spare parts when you need them, read my post again i've (1) no time to go looking for parts for a cossie set up (2) my 3 local ford dealers don't stock anything RS no longer. You want to stick with an old but tryed and tested set up thats your choice its your motor. But for me you have to move with the times and gotech seems to fit the bill. I could go for something thats costs a lot more but why when gotech does everything i need from a management.
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FAN BOY I know why gotech is better than an old cossie set up don't forget i've had both so i can COMMENT can you the reason why i say gotech is better is ease of fitting the system, parts & price why pay over a grand for a second hand set up when you can get a brand new management cheaper which has more features than a 20 year old management. (so i've been told) And for me it's getting spare parts when you need them, read my post again i've (1) no time to go looking for parts for a cossie set up (2) my 3 local ford dealers don't stock anything RS no longer. You want to stick with an old but tryed and tested set up thats your choice its your motor. But for me you have to move with the times and gotech seems to fit the bill. I could go for something thats costs a lot more but why when gotech does everything i need from a management.
Until Jamie stated the very valid comment that 'ease of fitting' was the main advantage you had made no reference to this
I have already clarified that you do not need to use RS cosworth sensors on cossie management, I use zetec sensors which are very widely available in motor factors and halfords, yet you continue to suggest this belief of yours is a valid point
Out of curiosity what sensors can you use on go-tech which makes them easier to obtain than sensors from halfords.
Yet again you bring up the age perspective of components and state that you have been told the system is more advanced, yet the gotech solution you mention, recommend and inform everyone is Ł 750+ vat uses a distributor as part of the spark ignition system. My 20 year old system uses a coil pack which is a more effective and advanced part of ignition systems. This fact seems to go against what you are saying with regards to it being more advanced
To get advanced features like coilpack you would have to use the Gotech Gotech Mfi Pro which is supplied fitted and mapped from: Ł1116.25 suddenly puts it into the price range of cossie management which makes it no longer cheaper as like you said "why pay over a grand"
Im not knocking go-tech mfi at all, it does what it says on tin, its great for some people and not for others. The same can be said for cossie management.
I've seen some bloody quick cars on go-tech, most of which I might add have been mapped by Jamie which makes me certain his knowledge and experience with it give him that added edge and value. Although its possible to download the mapping software, it does not come with Jamie's experience imho which is why I would always suggest someone who gets it done has the right person do it
Remember it was not me who stated one management type was better than another, I just disputed this statement and wanted to know why. I am still less than convinced. Perhaps its to do with transient fuelling
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Couldn't help but make a come back for this one.. couldn't help myself
Until Jamie stated the very valid comment that 'ease of fitting' was the main advantage you had made no reference to this
To get advanced features like coilpack you would have to use the Gotech Gotech Mfi Pro which is supplied fitted and mapped from: Ł1116.25 suddenly puts it into the price range of cossie management which makes it no longer cheaper as like you said "why pay over a grand
Until Jamie stated the very valid comment that 'ease of fitting' was the main advantage you had made no reference to this
To get advanced features like coilpack you would have to use the Gotech Gotech Mfi Pro which is supplied fitted and mapped from: Ł1116.25 suddenly puts it into the price range of cossie management which makes it no longer cheaper as like you said "why pay over a grand
P.S thanks for letting me know that the zetec sensors fit cossie gear i now know which is GREAT......
Last edited by turbo; 08-11-2008 at 05:28 PM.
#53
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I've just paid for a Gotech Pro setup for my Mk3 Turbo project.... supplied and to be fitted and mapped by www.sitechracing.co.uk at a very reasonable price too
Seems to do everything that I'm ever likely to want a management system to do.... and I far prefer the idea of having a modern brand new ECU & loom etc rather than having to adapt Cossie or Fiesta RST to work....
Seems to do everything that I'm ever likely to want a management system to do.... and I far prefer the idea of having a modern brand new ECU & loom etc rather than having to adapt Cossie or Fiesta RST to work....
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