Blocos

Is it possible?????

Thanks

wilky

iTrader: (1)

no i don't think they work different ohm's

DaveEscos

no.. the small turbo's eeciv management wont run greens

cossymad

ryan_belfast

Get the S8 ecu tho and it will.

Blocos

What's the S8 ecu ???

and what injectors can I use?? for stage 2

Azrael

What do you mean by stage 2 i EEV - IV equipped car?????

Blocos

By stage 2 i EEC - IV equipped car I mean MSD stage 2 chip(297 hp) ,uprated
fuel pomp,and biggest injectors but which ones???
'cause originals can't go up to 270 hp

Azrael

There is no such thing as MSD stage 2 chip. And originals will go up a little more then 270bhp - or at least Stu says so. How can you choose ijectors if you already got a chip????

Blocos

http://www.motorsport-developments.c...data/index.php

I thought that these ones are stage 2,I have not already a chip but before buying
it, I'd like to know what kind of injectors will fit it with such a chip !!

Azrael

The site says everything. Stag. 1 kit includes (from memory) fuel pump, wastegate actuator, chip and that's all -> with exhaust and air filter gives 297 bhp. I got this convertion. It's not like you can fit some kind of injectors with a chip. Chips are made for certain injectors.

Blocos

Thanks for the informations, all is clear for me now!!

Azrael

I hope I cleared something.

cossymad

I run std injectors on std pump @ 303bhp/297lbft
EEC4 small turbo model.
t28
Stainless- no cats
stainless cone filter
Cams
Chip

Before cams it was 287bhp

Azrael

Is it special chip for those cams?

cossymad

Nothing was altered from when it was std cams to higher ones.
EEC4 chips are like bluefins and the range of parameters is massive, so airflow meter/lamda etc keeps the ECU upto speed!!!

Azrael

Sounds interesting How much for the cams?




Anyway, how are my things doing? Got that tracking number?

cossymad

I'll get it by lunch!
Cams £560 brand new
£225 exchange
Worth cahnging followers too

Azrael

OK - I'll be waiting :-D


OK this will have to wait some time, unless I have to change cams for some reason (standard sometimes crack).

Just driven ~400bhp Escos wich everything well sorted out apart from Koni suspention which is shit :-(. Incredible car. Now I know why Motec Management is so good :-D

wilky

iTrader: (1)

why can't you get any more power out of the t25.
what about putting a t34 compresser housing on the frount
of the t25 and a 5 injector?[could that work]

my rover ecu can't be chiped so i added another 4 injector's
running off a hks injector controller this is how i get more fueling
i keep on thinking i could do the same to my escort

Azrael

EEC IV system is likely to go mad then..

mk5cos

so! why has no one made injectors to run on the eec 1V ecu?

Azrael

Most probably because EEC IV MAF sensor and MAP sensor are limiting factors. Stu@MSD explained couple of times to me that it's not worth the developments cost when there are other aftermarket ECUs on the market.

mk5cos

cheers. always wonded why....

wilky

iTrader: (1)

will the map sensor be out of it's range [ie boost]
what about putting a bigger maf sensor on i think they
do that to supra's

hks do a vein presserure converter which replaces the
mass air flow meter's

any one herd of epec this interfaces with eec iv via piggy back
and was used on mustangs and cobras i read this in a mates book
have to find out more

sailorbob

You can get away with mild cam swaps on the eec-iv because the MAF will read the extra air flow. It would be best to adjust spark timing too though to get the best out of the cam. BTW Ford were lazy in this ecu and didn't set up the INJECTOR_TIMING_TABLE and hence emissions and idle aren't as good as they could be.

MAF and MAP sensors can be changed, it's a question of deciphering the code to find the settings. The MAF_TRANSFER_TABLE is easy to find as it's similar code to a lot of Zetec ecu code but the MAP sensor is harder as the turbocharger control and boost fuel/spark adjustment part of the code is 'tacked on' to what is essentially a normally aspirated ecu code. It's this decoding that takes time and what Stu is refering to is that no one is likely to pay for the time to find this all out.

The EPEC (Extreme Racing Engine Control) ecu was a replacement for the eec-iv by Ford SVO (I think it was based upon the A9L Mustang ecu) that could be programmed via a laptop. As far as I know it was only for 8 cylinders and a lot of the fine control we come to expect from a daily driver was stripped out.

cossymad

There is a few alternative ways to keep the eec4 ecu.
HKS AIC running 4 addition injectors ontop of the std ones.
Unichip running 4 additional injectors on top of the std ones.
You could also run a 5th injector like we used to on the RST's in the 'olden days'
Problem with both tehse ways is the vast cost and the fact that it is cheaper to go for weber management or even scrap the ford stuff and try omex etc etc which can run any resistance injector etc etc, but unless you are planning a 500bhp monster, probably abit of a waste

Azrael

I have driven Motec managed EEC IV Escos last friday and the difference is so vast it's worth every penny. Engine behaviour on and off boost is so amazingly different. It's so smooth, throttle responce is like motocyckole not old Ford-Cosworth engine. Shocking difference. I don't know if it was mapping or just the menagment being better. Still I'm amazed. And there of course features -> driving additional gauges, shift lamps, data logging, ALS, water injection, lots and lots and lots.

GUZZLER

iTrader: (3)

we just Omex'd a small turbo escos at work, it was a nice convertion, dark greens & about 22psi peak saw it make just over 300bhp & 340lbs/ft
the boost drops off to about 16psi though, but with a bigger turbo it should make good power.

mk5cos

si how much is this conversion then keeping the standard turbo? fitted

tim10_10

iTrader: (1)

Do you rate it then? As im having mine changed in 2-3 weeks by paul hills at engine advantages, already converted to T35, BD14's, cometic tripple layer etc and have bought some focus rs injectors to go in too.