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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:32 PM
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Default high rev gear change from 1st to 2nd - CRUUNCH

When, and only when.. reving high in 1st then changing to 2nd.. it always crunches

any reason why?


box is quaife and has just been rebuilt by bernie.. clutch is a low mileage alcon 6 paddle


any reasons casuing this?
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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you changing gear faster then the syncro?
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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No idea mate....
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:35 PM
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:35 PM
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no, deffo not changing too fast.. tried a slow change at high revs and still the same

almost like its not engaged the clutch properly...
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Have you asked Bernie? Would be the 1st person i would consult!
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:47 PM
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My first thoughts were the clutch was not clearing 100%

RW
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:50 PM
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You've bought a shonky box........................

pants pulled proper!!
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:52 PM
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shouldnt your head be buried in your manuals!

RW, hmm.. yes. Others are fine though ...
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:54 PM
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Smart arse!!

I actually though it might be you changing too quick & beating the syncro's, but alas.................You bought the cadbury's quaife box
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:58 PM
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maybe raise your burberry baseball cap up abit so you can see where second is you c*nt
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:00 PM
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maybe raise your burberry baseball cap up abit so you can see where second is you c*nt

who threw you a buttered biscuit you scrawny little c*nt!
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
maybe raise your burberry baseball cap up abit so you can see where second is you c*nt
My sides!!

Thats why he doesn't want to come to saffend tonight.............

people will realise his caps fake!!!
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i really cant wait to meet you franco
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:02 PM
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Thats why he doesn't want to come to saffend tonight.............

It's probably because Dave's tyres aren't very good in the wet
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:03 PM
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True battle of the giants!!

I'll call it a truce & buy you a big mac meal....................Butter in my hands
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:05 PM
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True battle of the giants!!

I'll call it a truce & buy you a big mac meal....................Butter in my hands




tone, its ok.. ive got proper ones now!


pm received btw skip
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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What oil did you put in the box Dave?
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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Bet its the Alcon clutch. I had a six paddle on my fiesta and it fucked up . Was shagged from the start as it was noisey but i didnt know it was the clutch as i thought its new so couldnt be . It started to get crunchy one day then all of a sudden i was stuck at the lights on the fucking a406 at rush hour

XFactor replaced it though so credit to him cause i dunno whther he has been able to get the money back from Alcon yet.

Cars off the road at the mo with suspected clutch problem again so i will be getting something different next time as i had the flywheel refaced and it was fitted correctly just like the first time and its fucked. I dont no for sure its the clutch yet though cause i cant be fucked to sort it at the mo but im pretty sure its going to be.

Heres a pic of it

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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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Wes, the car has ford spec oil in the diffs and transfer, but some quiafe reccomended oil in the box.. i shall find out but i dont think thats the prob
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
tone, its ok.. ive got proper ones now!


pm received btw skip

I cracked up when I heard


No probs, you get Darrens number ok too?
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:08 PM
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yes mate.. cheers
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:09 PM
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Wes, the car has ford spec oil in the diffs and transfer, but some quiafe reccomended oil in the box.. i shall find out but i dont think thats the prob
Thats your problem i reckon, as Quaife sell Silkolene Syn5, they recommend it, it's not what you should use in your gearbox, trust me, been there done that with that oil in an MT75! Don't get me wrong, it's good oil, just not suited to the MT75 with syncros.

The crunching will be because the oil is too slippery, the syncros can't slow down fast enough, syncros go CRUNCH!

Goto Ford and buy 2 litres of their MT75 oil, job done, if you haven't mullered the syncros already.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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aah really wes? thats a bit shoiddy then as Oilman told me to use that oil to spec


did you get the probs im experiencing then?


to be fair.. ive avoided fast changes etc.. so its only happened anout 3 or 4 times (crunching that is)
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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Nice one Wes about the MT75 oil!!
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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Clutch aint clearing.......IMO....Wes is right to a degree but i wouldn't think it would make the change crunch......
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
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maybe raise your burberry baseball cap up abit so you can see where second is you c*nt

who threw you a buttered biscuit you scrawny little c*nt!
love you c*nt

hope you get it fixed
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:24 PM
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well it cant hurt to take the oil out and replace with ford...

pain in the arse though!


wouldnt mind oilmans thoughts on this!!!
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:31 PM
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I use the same oil in gearboxes and diffs................

Silly question time - clutch cable? Not touching the heatshield or melted through in any way is it? I had similar clutch clearing issues albeit 2wd when the cable was mullered.

Should have hydrailced the clutch when it was out anyway
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
aah really wes? thats a bit shoiddy then as Oilman told me to use that oil to spec


did you get the probs im experiencing then?


to be fair.. ive avoided fast changes etc.. so its only happened anout 3 or 4 times (crunching that is)
Yep, except mine crunched from 1-2 + 2-3. If your clutch was dragging, surley it would crunch when you put it into 1st from Neutral.

I had an R+D bigtooth gearkit, after getting the gearbox rebuilt twice by R+D using the oil they recommended (Syn5, and everytime the syncros were changed because they were kaput), i went to another gearbox builder (around the corner from Quaife), his exact words were "don't use that shite in an MT75, use the Ford MT75 oil", which i did, hey presto no more crunching
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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You haven't got a Hydraulic clutch conversion???

I'm surprised, your attention to detail and prep on the car is normally superb....
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:35 PM
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cheers Wes, ill drop the oil out and put some new in...


anyone want some silkolene syn 5? only done 145 miles! roflol!!!



Pon, i will check the cable.. pretty sure its ok though
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
I use the same oil in gearboxes and diffs................
Thats great Richard, but 4WD's use don't use the same oils as 2wd
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:38 PM
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I didn't say I used that in a 2wd gearbox - I said I used it in gearboxes and diffs.......... not just my car
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
cheers Wes, ill drop the oil out and put some new in...
I just hope it's not too late Dave, MT75 gearboxes have been the bain of my cosworth ownership, i can remove / fit them on my own in 20 minutes now
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
You haven't got a Hydraulic clutch conversion???

I'm surprised, your attention to detail and prep on the car is normally superb....

whats a hydraulic clutch conv?

do i need one???
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:40 PM
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Hang on Wes - you don't even have an MT75 in there any more do ya?
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wes
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cheers Wes, ill drop the oil out and put some new in...
I just hope it's not too late Dave, MT75 gearboxes have been the bain of my cosworth ownership, i can remove / fit them on my own in 20 minutes now

they arent easy are they!

luckily my engine was out when i fitted mine! still a pain though!

out of interest, how can you remove/fit so quickly? amy set methods?
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Ask Mike what the BEST mod he ever made to his car was

TOP quality mod. AND you can use more quip
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