hi there iv wondering whats the best 5th injector to be running on my car
power enginering are saying 700 quid to supply and fit a 5th injector but before i bite the bullet was wondering what some of you recommend.
the cars currently running 225bhp and 238 ft lb of torque wat do u guys reckon i will need to run

 

I've got the ERL with MF2 driver and it allowed me to run 25psi and give me the fuel req'd. A lot of people say it's not really needed though

 

same here

 

Have you had a look at Gotech MFI-STD?

It's a full engine management system for fuel and igniton, but is easily set up to run as a 5th injector system!!

You have control of the injector over 32 load points, and at all rpm ranges of the engine. It's MUCH more powerful and
has far more resolution than any 5th injector kit currently available

Jamsport are the official dealers, and they only charge £1000 for the FULL engine management fitting and mapping included for the RS turbos (ignition and fuel)

So, I'm sure the deal would be equal, if not much better than you have been quoted - plus you have the option of going to full engine management if you want to upgrade in the future (for next to nothing)
How cool is that

As tested in Performance Ford Magazine

Give Jamie a call at Jamsport

Also have a read here - https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146861

 

1 grand , thats crazy , but people pay it , in the search for a bit more speed , i wouldnt though , even though it ''sounds'' like an excellent package

 

A grand for a full engine management system isn't crazy!!!

£700 for a 5th injector system is...

 

Combi_Chris....

I know it sounds a lot, but it's not crazy.

1 grand is for the full engine management conversion

Also remember, that is including supply, fitting,new full custom loom, a full maping session on the dyno, and out on the road

Can you show me something cheaper that includes all of the above??

I.e full 3d fuelling and ignition. Just the same as pectel/dta/cossie/motec/emerald and so on.

But, you can use the Gotech MFI just to control a fith injector if you needed. This would be far cheaper than the £700 quoted for MF2 system.

And, if the owner wanted to upgrade to full management, it would be VERY cheap and easy to do so.



I am led to believe that the parts alone, for a Cossie management conversion, are around £700

This is mostly second hand, with looms being the best part of 15 years old! Then there's fitting, mapping, and so on.

Do you get a warantee on the ecu & loom as part of the deal??

There are plenty of Cossie manegment conversions out there, that have cost MUCH more than a grand

I'm not knocking the cossie stuff, it's been proven to get results.

I just see it as old technology, thats difficult to convert, with many parts needed to add to an RSturbo e.g modified dizzy, pulley wheel for phase sensor, map sensor, tps switch and so on.

For a bit more than the sum of parts needed, you can have a fully fitted/mapped/ drive away full engine management system. Thats brand new, has a new loom, sensors, ect.

Plus you get data logging/launch control/nitrous control/water injection control/fuel pump control/VVT/the ability to run eight injectors - 4 inner & 4 outer switchable. And much more

 

rite sounds intersting.. so are you saying that i dont need to change the manifold or any other stuff.. that mite be a dumb question to some of you lot... lol...

 

You DON'T have to change the inlet manifold, but you'd need it modified if you want to keep it

 

Who sells 5th injector kits then? Apart from power engineering obviously.think it'll be next on my list

 

Gotech for use as 5th injector kit


www.jam-sport.co.uk the number is here!

Ask for Jamie

 

Got mine from Cortenay Vauxhall in North Walsham, Norfolk
Cheapest by far

Stu @ MSD does a similar kit, but only £150 for his, plus mapping of course

depends what everyone is after really

 

No thanks, theres a Gotech thread somewhere on here and ive read that, and i would have posted in there if i wanted to know anything. Im interested in looking into conventional 5th injectors for my car.

 

kossie

I wouldnt discount the gotech. But, the MF2 is a very good piece of kit.

 

Oh, and mf2 will control upto 4 injectors - not just a 5th

 

rite so how many differnt 5th injector kits are available.. cuz 700quid is steep no matter how u luk at,, so far we got power enginering, gotech mangment..and the 150 quid kit aswell.... if i go for engine management i want launch control and anti lag and all that good stuff aswell...lol

 

700 is a lot.

i paid 175 quid for my MF2 s/hand and fitted it myslef - but u'll need it mapping

 

Nail on head with Management, my ECU alone cost that.....


Kind of don't agree with you for the 5th injector bit though. Not used one myself so don't fully know how they work, but aren't they around £500 to buy anyway, so £200 for fitting and mapping isn't that bad imo. Or, are you like me, just against using a 5th injector? lol

 

You could always get your metering unit modified for less than £100. I chose this option over a 5th injector and used to run 24psi held, until the engine threw a rod.

Top Marks there Vulcan

 

how was it modded been offered a fifth injestor for mine but do i need it?

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ME:L:LCA:UK:11

5th injector kit on e-bay

 

No amount of modding will ever make it as good as a properly setup mf2. It's the drivability u get.

 

I don't know, speak to APT, they did mine.

 

Ahhh yes, but then you will never get the drivability of a decent stand alone management system. Everything comes at a greater price.

 

Tony, u'd be suprised - i certainly was. The big problem with the std system is the ignition control rather than fuel. It's not precise enough - but im working on it

 

APT also modded my metering unit to fuel for 20psi, its been like it since april with no probs at all,

by the way, if your car is 225bhp like u say(im sure it is), is it fueling ok now?, or do u want to run more boost?

 

Glad we agree Tony!

 

well basically power enginerin set it at 15 psi and said that i shouldnt run it hard till i get a 5th injector so thats why im on here looking for some advice. to be fair engine mangement does sound quite attractive though...

 

They set It at a particular level then told you not to use it...............
All of a sudden BANG on the way home.
Sounds just like them

 

thats what i thought i went to speedshack in west drayton today and they said if i was you id try a different rolling road before you spend that sort of money.. they said that jamsport would be worth a try even though there far. but they have a real passion for working on rs turbos unlike power enginering who probably prefer having people with imprezas and evos and a lot of money to spend... so that might be a differnet option.. i dont have a great deal of faith in power enginering because iv had 3 cars set up from there and every one of them there main advice is to put a 5th injector on there..

 

hi all i have a 5th injecter driver that i bought for £150 but have to spend money on a map senser and lamba probe as the thing i have bought but not yet fitted can tell u your charge temp digital boost and lean ritch plus controls your 5th injecter i dont know how good this is because like i said have not fitted it yet ...........i need to know what injecter i can use for example a fiesta turbo one?because this is the one thing stopping me from fitting it (on my rst mfi)so has anyone got any ideas what one to use thanks