this has prob been asked befoe but i have looked and cant find anything.

what sre the pros and cons of fitting cossie mangement?

i havent really taken much interest before so dont know much about it.
seems a lot of people fit them to there rsturbo but for what reason? why is it better? and what bits do you need to convert to it?
i have a OFAC FRST so what would i need and anyone know what benifts i would get.

currently running with 195 chip and all the cr@p that goes with it if that helps

 

The FRST management is actually very good and if you can find someone prepared to spend the time with it is more than capable of coming up with the goods. A good friend of mine used hi OFAB management to run his 316bhp Zetec Turbo FRST.

 

yeah people say the OFAB's better than the OFAC, got no probs with mine and TBH

just would be nice to have something that can be plugged in and changed a bit if need be.

plus another thing, i would love to have gauges displayed on a TFT screen like boost, oils pressure etc etc but been told it cant be done with fiesta ecu, has to be a fully map-able one, any ideas on that?

 

DTA!

 

Fraid not chap. I too have heard OFAB is the better of the two systems. Bit of a bugger as ours is OFAC If you go to Cossie management you can add a SECS monitor for sensor read outs.

I have no experience of aftermarket management so can't offer any assistance on that score. Sorry

 

anything helps dude

 

im gunna look stupid i can see it, but?

 

OFAB lets u run the 3 bar map sensor thats why its the better 1

 

is that the only reason

 

tuner preference I think.


the OFAC/OFAB thing has been discussed lots of time...

ahmed etc seems to favour OFAC and apparently wont big power tune OFAC

MSD - have said that technically OFAC is more advance due to the frequency based map sensing....

if you go to the higher level cossie stuff though there are options such as antilag that can be programmed.

 

hmm that would be getting into more than what i would want im thinking

worth bearing in mind though
cheers so far guys

 

Go check this out.

https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107201

I also run OFAC, and this is what I'm going for. Amazing bit of kit for only £575. (Thats the same price as a chip, set of Beige Inj and an Actuator... )

 

cool, shame i havent got near on £600

 

If you were to go for Cossie management it would cost you nearly £600 to get it mapped to run properly mate! Perhaps you should rethink what you actually want to do with your budget...

 

well cossie managment aint gonna be cheeper or any benifit for what ya want

rst boys use it as the MFI management on there is hard to get proper and requires more skill and time plus needs tweeking alittle more

if ya want 200bhp then stick with what ya got and speak to PhilM about the onscreen display as hes working on a idea

 

oh yeah i know it would cost a bit, havent got money to do these things at the mo but fingers crossed i will have soon.

its not that its out of buget, im just finding out detailes about it as it gives me more options and ideas of what i would want or more to the point what i would need.
may work out for what i want the standard set up may do as it is.

im still thinking about what to do with the engine, even though there is nothing wrong with the engine thats in the car and i know it is spot on as ive had the car since it was on 29k ( 63k now)
just dunno if i wanna go the zvh or stick with cvh, just want a bit more power and better control than what a chip can give if you know what i mean

 

get it lived mapped by MSD, that will make alot of difference to the fuel economy aswell

 

Gav's FRST is running OFAC meaning it is limited to 1.1 bar of boost (poxy OFAC MAP sensor!) - he gets his seen to at Grove Garage.

My recommendations would be, LSD 'box, paddle clutch (AP or Alcon), ERST exhaust manifold, hybrid T3 with .48 exhaust housing, front mount intercooler (easy with your bumper!), full setup and mapping at Grove Garage or similar with nicely specced injectors to match the extra boost

 

Don't forget a uprated fuel pump (Escort Cosworth one).

Cheers,

Andy

 

would like 200 poss a bit more,
last time i had my car rolling roaded with the set up on it it was around 180 bhp, but would like a better set up than just sticking a chip in, a fully mapable set up would and has got to be better surly.

my current plans are to blueprint the enigne and try and get more power without bumping boost right up.
but the zvh seems to be the chice for strenth etc so as i say, just gaining ideas at the mo to give me more options and a understanding of the cossie set up

i will have a word with philM, the on screen dispaly would be the nuts, cheers

 

Don't bother going for any engine change if you're only after just over 200bhp mate - not worth it!

Using an ERST AMAL valve or similar you could have it setup to run high/low boost settings for normal driving and when you wanna take it for a ragging!

I would only bother looking into ZVH when aiming for 250bhp or more! 300bhp plus and you might as well start looking at ZT.

Me - I went for 1900CVH!

Cheers,

Andy

 

ya ned to do a bit more homework before ya make any desision !!!!

some things ya not fully understanding so look about and get ideas

 

set up as it stands.
got LSD in gearbox with different 3rd gear
never have liked paddle cluches so just got borg and beck which seems to do the job well, but im not running silly power, if i were dont think it would cope?
wanna stick with a T2 really, i know T3 give more puff but wanna stick with it if i keep the cvh
got a pace on at the mo, got biege injectors, escort cos fule pump, up-rated actuator, 195 chip ( which i think is playing up as it will over boost at 15 psi so only run 12/13psi)
inducton kit, full stainless etc.

you say about live mapped, could i do away with the chip and get it mapped to do what the chip should and override the boost limit thats set?

 

i know mate, wanna find out as much as really, as you say.
dont wanna jump right in saying yeah ill go with that to find out later i coulod of done it better, easier and poss cheaper another way.

if the standard mangament will cover what i want, and TBH 200bhp would a nice number if it could be gained at the wheels, then i would stick with that, well, as close to as ill get.
that would be a bout all i would want,just for good power,
i live on the isle of wight so low down and mid range power is better than having balls out top end

as you have proberly guessed, the management side of things im not really clued up on thats why i ask for help on here cos i know a lot of people have been down this road and can give more than likly the best advice im gunna get, cossie managment was a idea i got from reading someones spec's and was interetsed to find out a little more about it

 

Jay is ur 195 chip an 'off the shelf' one ie superchip etc. is so u'd b better off gettin a chip off stu that'all b mapped to ur mods. im only running a bar on OFAC managment and a msd stage 2 chip and get 200bhp, but im changing to OFAB so i can run more than 1.1 bar hopefully 18psi. aint got a clue wot she'll put out then anyone?

 

hello mate long time no hear, lol,ever find ya bonnet etc?

yeah its a super chip one, thin its fooked though cos when it got to15 psi theover boost kicked in ans i was told the P1 195 chip as a boost limit of 18psi???
whats these chips you saying about mate?
more details and price?
or seeling as your be going to OFAB........

 

yeah not too bad m8!. never did find any of the stuff stolen or who did it basturds! lol. you cant run more than 16psi on OFAC managment coz the map sensor can't read that much thats y im going OFAB.thats probably y u cant run more than 15/16psi. The 195 superchip is supposed to b a crap map and overfuel all ova the place. I got a stage 2 chip off stu that he based mapped to my mods that arent standard to the car ie t3 conversion,piper cam, intercooler etc. just gives you a better map and the car will drive better, and you get better results from your mods. i payed 250quid for that chip, but hopefully stu can reflash it for me to suit OFAB mangement. it would only b good to you if ya had the t3 turbo and cams etc. hope this helps

 

i got all the mods listed about mate, cam is coming one way or another, as for T3, im gunna stick with the T2 mate, as crazy as it sounds

as for the thifeing scum, look at it this way, you got all brnad new stuff for free cos of them

 

very true

still think you should go t3 though its the only way for big power

 

not really the point though, lol but new is always better.


cheers so far guys, given me ideas

 

Yes - they can live-map EEC-IV, not quite sure how they do it but they do!

Ahmed Bayjoo, Stu at MSD and various other tuner's will be able to do it for you They will also be able to spec. up you the correct injectors for the boost you're running.

T2 tops out at around 180bhp unless it's a hybrid - is the reason you're not going to change for a money issue, if so then I'd say you're not going to get the power you're after with that turbo! An ERST T3 struggles to get much more than 200bhp without changing the exhaust housing on it to a larger one than the standard .36

As for cams - Kent CVH 34 or 35 would be good, probably 34 for all round driving

Cheers,

Andy

 

cool ill have to give someone a call ans see what i can sort out, if thats the case with standard ecu.
as for turbo, its not money reasons for keeping it just i want to keep as much of the FRST as poss if i stick with the cvh, which TBH looks like im more than likey gunna do, and fiting T3's is getting away from it if that makes snese, i know it sounds a bit bent but thats what i wanna do really.
plus the T2 is only 1 years old and hasnt even done 5000 miles, lol

if 180 is all i can get then i guess as long as its set up right and runs spot on that would be enough, beacuse i would rebuild the lump and have it all lightened and balanced etc

i did think about kent cam ages ago and thought then the lower out of the 2 would be better then someone saidthe piper cam was far better? and comments on that?

 

get some NOS, thats wot im considering! a nice 30 shot

 

lol, have thought about that , but i dont fancy melting a piston mid ass whoop

na TBH nitro dont really interest me mate, just want a car that runs fine with some reliable power.

 

yeah but if your only have a small shot and get it set properly then it shouldn't b a problem! plus coz of the cooling effect your get even more bhp and torque!

 

with some luck

 

your too pesamistic (sp) jay

 

yeah i know, others have different names, some start with c and end with t ,

 

I heard that the Piper cams for the CVH wear down quite easily whereas the Kent cams are made from stronger metal. I'm running a CVH34 and it's not worn down or made any extra noise in all the time I've owned it (granted it gets an oil change every 3k!) but it's pretty unusual for a CVH head not to develop cam/tappet rattle!

I think you should rethink changing the turbo to a T3 mate - you'll be screaming the T2 to get the kind of power you're after whereas the T3 won't break too much of a sweat. Surely as it's such an expensive component the reliability would be better to run a larger turbo - those people who say it's laggy etc. obviously don't drive through the gears properly!

Cheers,

Andy

 

yeah you norm get a "tappet" sound with CVH, like you i change my oil a lot too, change it once or twice a year, ( dependingon how much i drive it) and only done 30k in 7 years.

i know ya right really with the T3 but really dont wanna go down that road, not after just selling a naff one i could of exchanged, lol

TBH i power i got in mind is give or take, not fused about top end as i will never use it, im more intersted in the low down speed for "off the lights" kind of thing, the roads over here are just to small to give it a long thrash, apart from milly road which ais a few miles but that get to about 30foot of the cliff edge at one point

i would consider a hybrid T2 though