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Old Jan 28, 2019 | 12:41 PM
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Default EFi RS turbo, Motec, Life, Pectel Base map/cal

Afternoon everyone,
After a nice trip to Jamsport on friday to ensure my silver shopping car was fueling right, Jamie set it up lovely.. Hoever.. its time to think of Mods,
Seems new management is the order of the day, and i happen to have a few ECU's kicking around at my disposal, all overkill for a simple CVH, but hey, they are for use

The engine is standard Fiesta RS turbo with a T3 turbo and soon to be VXR injectors
Might anyone be able to help with a base Map/calibration for this type of engine? or Efi CVH in general would be a start. For either a Motec M400/800, Pectel SQ6, or a Life racing F88?

Enough to get the engine started and not detting would be a start. , the harness is pretty much done , only a couple days work, but i need to choose a management system to put the main connector on,

Cheers in advance

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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 03:38 PM
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Another how long is a piece of string question....or walking into a phone shop and asking for a phone.

So unless you provide full details of how it's wired, the trigger systems being used, all sensors....really, you're being a little hopeful here. Even more so when you're covering 3 ecu's which will have totally different wiring schedules, abilities and setup.
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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 04:37 PM
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Hi Steve,
sorry, I have been vague,
so it’s wasted spark, batch fired injection, VR crank sensor in standard CVH EFi flywheel trigger arrangement, no cam sensor.
Standard EFi turbo sensors I.e MAP, TPS , IAT and ECT, single ended wastegate bleed solenoid. Standard ISCV
the channel assignment and wiring schedule isn’t a huge problem as these are configurable to either of the ÉCU platforms.
It’s more the trigger, fuel and ignition tables along with Temp enrichment and spark advance and retard tables being setup somewhere close that I’m hoping to get too. Wiring mods if necessary aren’t a problem for me.
If i can get it started, I’ve a basis for trailering it to a rolling road.
The availability of a base cal will ultimately denote the ÉCU I choose. Just trying to save rolling road time by having a running (if not well) engine.
Thanks Rich

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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 04:37 PM
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Your mapper should be able to supply you a calibration to get the car running. If he can’t change mapper.

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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 04:45 PM
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Hi Mark,
I’m in Northamptonshire , I’ve used Jamsport in the past for setting up of my standard RS Turbo’s .
I’ll give them a shout
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And again, without specific wiring info and sensor info....you're still shooting in the dark.

All of these ecu's have fully configurable inputs and outputs, so anyone could wire them almost any way. Hence specifics would need to be given in full, and 100% correct. So yes channel assignment isnt....shouldnt be a problem if you've wired it correctly..but it needs to be known in order to build a calibration that may work.

But you're then asking someone to build you a custom map, which takes time and experience...for free. That's a big ask, and not quite the same as a generic base map for an already known fixed wiring setup and sensor pack etc.

nevermind the fact it's for 3 different ecus lol.
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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 09:16 PM
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Sorry Mark,
I do apologise... the I/O of the ÉCU is mute at this point beyond the sensors I have mentioned as far as I consider it.
What im asking is if anyone has just started a CVH turbo engine with the specs I’ve given for any of the above ECU’s and if so, do they have a calibration that I can then assign I/O too (to my specs)
not a custom map, I’m not asking anyone to do anything for free.
Wiring is a piece of piss as far as I’m concerned, I Spec, and assign motorsport ECU’s as my day job and have done for 17 years, I don’t however have any experience in calibration first hand for CVH’s with that spec.
The ECU is not choosen and therefore the wiring schedule for the particular platform is up for debate and down to availability of a base Cal.. not a custom cal for a particular power requirement or torque curve.
I hope this helps explain my question.
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Well then if you can sort your own I/O assignment and setup, and know all the sensor information for your exact setup...then you're most of the way there already to a base map to allow the car to start.

Job done.
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Calibration is simply inputting the correct values in the ecu software, which all tuners will charge you for! Any ecu is fine they are all very capable as technology has come a long way from the OFAB/C era. I too am running OFAB at the moment with the same setup with trigger wheel, EDIS etc, therefore I decided to go for a plug and play option - Mega squirt - so I could learn the calibration side of things as I like to diy. In a nutshell all ecus all do the same thing ergo how much do you want to spend and how far do you want to go with your car? F88 is a serious bit of kit, but whats the point if your not going to run all the features?

What I found was that in order to run any aftermarket management system you need to install a wideband sensor and gauge. Combine the wideband to the ecu powered from a switched live in order to read the air to fuel ratio so that the car can be tuned, this means welding a bung to the down pipe so it can accept the linked lambda sensor. The next step which is adding extras functions such as sequential injection means that you select the output from the ecu and wire accordingly to your new loom so you can enable the function on the ecu and then install the necessary parts to the engine.

It comes down to what you want the car to be able to do. Weigh up the options from each ecu as to what would suit you best.

I went for MS as I didn't want to make a new loom or swap out any of the sensors and there is a lot of support online. First what I am planning to do is first find idle using its auto tune function, and then drive the car around and the ms ecu will make the adjustments itself for the base map, which I have written myself. Once that's done and the engine has been run in, only then will I swap injectors and at the same time send the car for mapping... Or well that's the plan anyway
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