Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth This forum is for discussion of all things pertaining to the Ford Sierra Cosworth.

saphh 4x4 heater blower not working-aircon model

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 21, 2017 | 07:01 PM
  #1  
timster's Avatar
timster
Thread Starter
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 814
Likes: 7
From: wales
Default saphh 4x4 heater blower not working-aircon model

Evening folks the blower has stopped working on my saff, doesn't work at any speed. Fuse checks out okay, any other common issues? Thanks in advance ☺
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2017 | 04:09 PM
  #2  
timster's Avatar
timster
Thread Starter
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 814
Likes: 7
From: wales
Default

Anyone?
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2017 | 04:54 PM
  #3  
gcfcos's Avatar
gcfcos
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,728
Likes: 561
From: South of England
Default

Check at the blower itself first mate to see if any power there then u can rule out the motor Itself and move on the diagnosis from there
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2017 | 06:11 PM
  #4  
Glenn_'s Avatar
Glenn_
Glennvestite
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 62,772
Likes: 1,049
From: Darlington county durham
Default

The heater motor should run even when its not switched on. Remove the panel under the wiper motor and check to see if there is any power going to the plug.
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2017 | 07:41 PM
  #5  
Turbo Zetec's Avatar
Turbo Zetec
Engine Machinist
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,012
Likes: 32
From: Suffolk/Cambs
Default

check the connectors on top of the blower motor itself, one of mine was corroded and didn't work unless you gave it a wiggle. well worth a look before you pull it apart too far.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2017 | 01:52 PM
  #6  
dojj's Avatar
dojj
Resident Wrestling Legend
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 50,018
Likes: 259
From: Little India
Default

Originally Posted by Glenn_
The heater motor should run even when its not switched on. Remove the panel under the wiper motor and check to see if there is any power going to the plug.
not on his car mate,it's going to be at least a 90 spec so you can turn them off

there is a microswitch that kills the power to it when both the sliders are set to the bottom position, check this one to make sure it's not stuck, it's behind the dash binnacle though so you need to get the screwdrivers out

once you've got the cover off you will see 3 screws holding the controllers in place, unscrew all these and you should be able to pull the unit out and access the switch

the other problems these had was the blower dial itself packing up

and then there's the wiggle test on the wires for the blower motor
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2017 | 07:52 PM
  #7  
Glenn_'s Avatar
Glenn_
Glennvestite
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 62,772
Likes: 1,049
From: Darlington county durham
Default

Mine constantly runs Dojj.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2017 | 08:32 PM
  #8  
timster's Avatar
timster
Thread Starter
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 814
Likes: 7
From: wales
Default

Thanks for the replies, dojjis right she's a 92 on a k plate and the blowers do switch off if you put both control knobs down
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2017 | 06:46 AM
  #9  
Glenn_'s Avatar
Glenn_
Glennvestite
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 62,772
Likes: 1,049
From: Darlington county durham
Default

I will have to try this then lol.
Reply
Old Nov 2, 2017 | 03:13 PM
  #10  
timster's Avatar
timster
Thread Starter
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 814
Likes: 7
From: wales
Default

So it seems the actual motor has packed up, I'm guessing there are no longer available. Apart from buying a used one does anyone know if a repair service?
Reply
Old Nov 2, 2017 | 07:59 PM
  #11  
Glenn_'s Avatar
Glenn_
Glennvestite
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 62,772
Likes: 1,049
From: Darlington county durham
Default

So i take it the motor on yours with it being the aircon model is totaly different from a standard heater motor?

My saff used to have an aftermarket air con system,fhis used the standard heater motor.
Reply
Old Nov 2, 2017 | 10:03 PM
  #12  
timster's Avatar
timster
Thread Starter
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 814
Likes: 7
From: wales
Default

It looks the same Glenn as non aircon
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2017 | 08:53 PM
  #13  
Turbo Zetec's Avatar
Turbo Zetec
Engine Machinist
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,012
Likes: 32
From: Suffolk/Cambs
Default

find a granada or scorpio one to replace it with. granada will almost certainly fit, scorpio looks very similar too.
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2017 | 08:57 PM
  #14  
Glenn_'s Avatar
Glenn_
Glennvestite
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 62,772
Likes: 1,049
From: Darlington county durham
Default

Originally Posted by timster
It looks the same Glenn as non aircon
Ok cool. Mine was incased in a big plastic box under the windscreen wiper panel like a standard motor.

I took all the air con system out a few years back.
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2017 | 09:14 PM
  #15  
timster's Avatar
timster
Thread Starter
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 814
Likes: 7
From: wales
Default

Originally Posted by Turbo Zetec
find a granada or scorpio one to replace it with. granada will almost certainly fit, scorpio looks very similar too.
Cheers, I did wonder if this would fit

Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291977291810


Originally Posted by Glenn_
Ok cool. Mine was incased in a big plastic box under the windscreen wiper panel like a standard motor.

I took all the air con system out a few years back.
​​​​​​​Yep mine has the same plastic surrounding
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2017 | 12:13 AM
  #16  
dojj's Avatar
dojj
Resident Wrestling Legend
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 50,018
Likes: 259
From: Little India
Default

The Granada ones have different wires, so while they will fit, they might not work
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 02:50 PM
  #17  
slammedorion's Avatar
slammedorion
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,773
Likes: 237
From: Cheshire
Default

Originally Posted by Glenn_
Ok cool. Mine was incased in a big plastic box under the windscreen wiper panel like a standard motor.

I took all the air con system out a few years back.


I’d love to fit aircon in the Orion...
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 08:15 PM
  #18  
Glenn_'s Avatar
Glenn_
Glennvestite
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 62,772
Likes: 1,049
From: Darlington county durham
Default

Just wind the windows down.
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2017 | 12:38 PM
  #19  
slammedorion's Avatar
slammedorion
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,773
Likes: 237
From: Cheshire
Default

Originally Posted by Glenn_
Just wind the windows down.

Wife’s hair is a mess then... not allowed windows right down on the motorway It’s too windy and noisy
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2017 | 04:46 PM
  #20  
timster's Avatar
timster
Thread Starter
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 814
Likes: 7
From: wales
Default

Okay folks the link I posted above they do fit, had my local garage change it over today. Thought it might be of use to someone if theirs breaks ☺
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2017 | 05:27 AM
  #21  
MARCOSWORTH's Avatar
MARCOSWORTH
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,459
Likes: 10
From: Nederland
Default

How do you remove the heater box as mine is noisy? I got this far thnx
Attached Thumbnails saphh 4x4 heater blower not working-aircon model-704fc641-3670-49f1-a1ac-57cb02c8756c.jpeg  
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2017 | 01:47 PM
  #22  
dojj's Avatar
dojj
Resident Wrestling Legend
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 50,018
Likes: 259
From: Little India
Default

has it got air con?
either way there are only 2 nuts either side of the fan to undo and it all comes apart
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2017 | 04:37 PM
  #23  
MARCOSWORTH's Avatar
MARCOSWORTH
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,459
Likes: 10
From: Nederland
Default

Originally Posted by dojj
has it got air con?
either way there are only 2 nuts either side of the fan to undo and it all comes apart
It has aircon yes, there's no bolts on either side that's what i thought also so i'm a bit lost here

It looks like you can get the top off but it's stuck for some reason and there's no bolts or screws, btw it's a Italian imported car
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2017 | 03:21 AM
  #24  
SS1's Avatar
SS1
10K+ Poster!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 13,285
Likes: 3
From: Racing the clouds home
Default

Originally Posted by dojj
not on his car mate,it's going to be at least a 90 spec so you can turn them off

there is a microswitch that kills the power to it when both the sliders are set to the bottom position, check this one to make sure it's not stuck, it's behind the dash binnacle though so you need to get the screwdrivers out

once you've got the cover off you will see 3 screws holding the controllers in place, unscrew all these and you should be able to pull the unit out and access the switch

the other problems these had was the blower dial itself packing up

and then there's the wiggle test on the wires for the blower motor
My shonkys 93 and you are correct kills the blower
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2017 | 10:30 PM
  #25  
RobertM's Avatar
RobertM
Wahay!! I've lost my Virginity!!
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 92
Likes: 1
From: Netherlands
Default

Originally Posted by MARCOSWORTH
How do you remove the heater box as mine is noisy? I got this far thnx
That's not what mine looks like and it's a 1992 4x4
Looks like yours is aftermarket?
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2017 | 02:52 PM
  #26  
dojj's Avatar
dojj
Resident Wrestling Legend
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 50,018
Likes: 259
From: Little India
Default

Originally Posted by MARCOSWORTH
It has aircon yes, there's no bolts on either side that's what i thought also so i'm a bit lost here

It looks like you can get the top off but it's stuck for some reason and there's no bolts or screws, btw it's a Italian imported car
from the picture it looks like there is another cover over the top

can you remove that?

i don't have a sierra handy otherwise i'd take a pic of the normal set up where you can quite easily spot the two nuts either side of the fan motor that anchor it into place

but you then mention that it's italian, and they have a 100% record in building cars with excellent wiring don't they
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2017 | 05:15 AM
  #27  
MARCOSWORTH's Avatar
MARCOSWORTH
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,459
Likes: 10
From: Nederland
Default

Originally Posted by dojj
from the picture it looks like there is another cover over the top

can you remove that?

i don't have a sierra handy otherwise i'd take a pic of the normal set up where you can quite easily spot the two nuts either side of the fan motor that anchor it into place

but you then mention that it's italian, and they have a 100% record in building cars with excellent wiring don't they
I can’t get the top removed as there’s no bolts or screws in sight

There must be a method to remove it but it’s indeed a Italian import so who knows
Reply




All times are GMT. The time now is 10:21 PM.