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timster 21-09-2017 07:01 PM

saphh 4x4 heater blower not working-aircon model
 
Evening folks the blower has stopped working on my saff, doesn't work at any speed. Fuse checks out okay, any other common issues? Thanks in advance ☺

timster 22-09-2017 04:09 PM

Anyone?

gcfcos 22-09-2017 04:54 PM

Check at the blower itself first mate to see if any power there then u can rule out the motor Itself and move on the diagnosis from there

Glenn_ 22-09-2017 06:11 PM

The heater motor should run even when its not switched on. Remove the panel under the wiper motor and check to see if there is any power going to the plug.

Turbo Zetec 22-09-2017 07:41 PM

check the connectors on top of the blower motor itself, one of mine was corroded and didn't work unless you gave it a wiggle. well worth a look before you pull it apart too far.

dojj 23-09-2017 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Glenn_ (Post 6748911)
The heater motor should run even when its not switched on. Remove the panel under the wiper motor and check to see if there is any power going to the plug.

not on his car mate,it's going to be at least a 90 spec so you can turn them off

there is a microswitch that kills the power to it when both the sliders are set to the bottom position, check this one to make sure it's not stuck, it's behind the dash binnacle though so you need to get the screwdrivers out

once you've got the cover off you will see 3 screws holding the controllers in place, unscrew all these and you should be able to pull the unit out and access the switch

the other problems these had was the blower dial itself packing up

and then there's the wiggle test on the wires for the blower motor

Glenn_ 23-09-2017 07:52 PM

Mine constantly runs Dojj.

timster 23-09-2017 08:32 PM

Thanks for the replies, dojjis right she's a 92 on a k plate and the blowers do switch off if you put both control knobs down

Glenn_ 24-09-2017 06:46 AM

I will have to try this then lol.

timster 02-11-2017 03:13 PM

So it seems the actual motor has packed up, I'm guessing there are no longer available. Apart from buying a used one does anyone know if a repair service?

Glenn_ 02-11-2017 07:59 PM

So i take it the motor on yours with it being the aircon model is totaly different from a standard heater motor?

My saff used to have an aftermarket air con system,fhis used the standard heater motor.

timster 02-11-2017 10:03 PM

It looks the same Glenn as non aircon

Turbo Zetec 03-11-2017 08:53 PM

find a granada or scorpio one to replace it with. granada will almost certainly fit, scorpio looks very similar too. :top:

Glenn_ 03-11-2017 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by timster (Post 6752895)
It looks the same Glenn as non aircon

Ok cool. Mine was incased in a big plastic box under the windscreen wiper panel like a standard motor.

I took all the air con system out a few years back.

timster 03-11-2017 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo Zetec (Post 6752946)
find a granada or scorpio one to replace it with. granada will almost certainly fit, scorpio looks very similar too. :top:

Cheers, I did wonder if this would fit

Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291977291810



Originally Posted by Glenn_ (Post 6752947)
Ok cool. Mine was incased in a big plastic box under the windscreen wiper panel like a standard motor.

I took all the air con system out a few years back.

​​​​​​​Yep mine has the same plastic surrounding

dojj 05-11-2017 12:13 AM

The Granada ones have different wires, so while they will fit, they might not work

slammedorion 06-11-2017 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Glenn_ (Post 6752947)
Ok cool. Mine was incased in a big plastic box under the windscreen wiper panel like a standard motor.

I took all the air con system out a few years back.



I’d love to fit aircon in the Orion... :cry:

Glenn_ 06-11-2017 08:15 PM

Just wind the windows down.

slammedorion 07-11-2017 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Glenn_ (Post 6753233)
Just wind the windows down.


Wife’s hair is a mess then... not allowed windows right down on the motorway :cry: It’s too windy and noisy :007: :wall:

timster 20-11-2017 04:46 PM

Okay folks the link I posted above they do fit, had my local garage change it over today. Thought it might be of use to someone if theirs breaks ☺

MARCOSWORTH 13-12-2017 05:27 AM

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How do you remove the heater box as mine is noisy? I got this far :DD: thnx :grin:

dojj 13-12-2017 01:47 PM

has it got air con?
either way there are only 2 nuts either side of the fan to undo and it all comes apart

MARCOSWORTH 13-12-2017 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by dojj (Post 6756196)
has it got air con?
either way there are only 2 nuts either side of the fan to undo and it all comes apart

It has aircon yes, there's no bolts on either side that's what i thought also so i'm a bit lost here :?

It looks like you can get the top off but it's stuck for some reason and there's no bolts or screws, btw it's a Italian imported car ;-)

SS1 14-12-2017 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by dojj (Post 6748966)
not on his car mate,it's going to be at least a 90 spec so you can turn them off

there is a microswitch that kills the power to it when both the sliders are set to the bottom position, check this one to make sure it's not stuck, it's behind the dash binnacle though so you need to get the screwdrivers out

once you've got the cover off you will see 3 screws holding the controllers in place, unscrew all these and you should be able to pull the unit out and access the switch

the other problems these had was the blower dial itself packing up

and then there's the wiggle test on the wires for the blower motor

My shonkys 93 and you are correct kills the blower ;-)

RobertM 14-12-2017 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by MARCOSWORTH (Post 6756150)
How do you remove the heater box as mine is noisy? I got this far :DD: thnx :grin:

That's not what mine looks like and it's a 1992 4x4
Looks like yours is aftermarket?

dojj 15-12-2017 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by MARCOSWORTH (Post 6756211)
It has aircon yes, there's no bolts on either side that's what i thought also so i'm a bit lost here :?

It looks like you can get the top off but it's stuck for some reason and there's no bolts or screws, btw it's a Italian imported car ;-)

from the picture it looks like there is another cover over the top

can you remove that?

i don't have a sierra handy otherwise i'd take a pic of the normal set up where you can quite easily spot the two nuts either side of the fan motor that anchor it into place

but you then mention that it's italian, and they have a 100% record in building cars with excellent wiring don't they :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

MARCOSWORTH 20-12-2017 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by dojj (Post 6756323)
from the picture it looks like there is another cover over the top

can you remove that?

i don't have a sierra handy otherwise i'd take a pic of the normal set up where you can quite easily spot the two nuts either side of the fan motor that anchor it into place

but you then mention that it's italian, and they have a 100% record in building cars with excellent wiring don't they :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

I can’t get the top removed as there’s no bolts or screws in sight :cry::cry:

There must be a method to remove it but it’s indeed a Italian import so who knows :tiff::DD:


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