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Old Jan 7, 2016 | 07:33 PM
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So my 2wd is running a stage 1 been running that about a year now but want a bit more! Is it worth going to a stage 2 or should I go straight to a stage 3? I want to keep the standard turbo that's the reason I'm thinking stage 2.

Then I've got the problem of a descent 3 bar map sensor, I've heard bad things about the brands hatch ones so what's options? Second hand Marelli ones are like rocking horse s**t and are crazy money when they do come up.

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Old Jan 7, 2016 | 10:27 PM
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Id go straight to stage 3, your t3 will be fine at that upto 320bhp. Most genuine 3 bars are about £150, I've never used a BHP 3 bar nor seen a reputable tuner test one, I've seen his eBay add picture show him test them but they don't have any vacuum hoses attached so how can they be tested in the pic it doesn't make sense.

Take it your engines good?
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Old Jan 7, 2016 | 11:49 PM
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Stick a t34 on it and a good intercooler and breather system they come alive at 350bhp. You can keep all the standard parts to one side

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Old Jan 8, 2016 | 02:22 AM
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What he says!
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Old Jan 8, 2016 | 09:09 PM
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Ok thanks chaps! Will look into a t34 any recommendations where to pick one up? Engines good recent full rebuild so should be able to take the power easily.
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Old Jan 8, 2016 | 09:35 PM
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You will need a T34.48 for a good punchy road car.
Could try a turbo specialist to convert your T3 to T34 spec.
I have seen 360bhp on greens with a T34.55 and green 803 inj on a mates car with a MSD chip. But thats on the limit.

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Old Jan 8, 2016 | 09:43 PM
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Anything around the 350bhp mark is going to be good fun. Definitely go for the regular stage 3 conversion with a good map.
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Old Jan 8, 2016 | 10:22 PM
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My best fun Cossie was my old 3dr years ago on Greys, T34.48 NMS live map, only made 363 and 370ft/lb but man it was a HOOT on the road



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Old Jan 9, 2016 | 12:51 PM
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You will need to change the injectors and actuator as well, in addition to looking at the breather system.

An alternative is to look into a 'Gunship' conversion, with a standard engine, this will make slightly more power than you have, but with the torque of a stage 2.

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Old Jan 9, 2016 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RedMak
My best fun Cossie was my old 3dr years ago on Greys, T34.48 NMS live map, only made 363 and 370ft/lb but man it was a HOOT on the road



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Mine done 421BHP and 418lb ft on the same turbo and 55lb.
with loads of boooost
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Old Jan 10, 2016 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by costina
Mine done 421BHP and 418lb ft on the same turbo and 55lb.
with loads of boooost
That would be awesome on a 2wd cossie.
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Old Jan 10, 2016 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
That would be awesome on a 2wd cossie.
At 2.3bar it's a hoot
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Old Jan 10, 2016 | 08:03 PM
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Thanks for all the advice. I'm going to go for the stage 3, f**k it why not!! Lol could I replace the internals of my turbo with something like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/321502513790
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Originally Posted by jc1989rs
Thanks for all the advice. I'm going to go for the stage 3, f**k it why not!! Lol could I replace the internals of my turbo with something like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/321502513790
tbh it won't be much more to have yours done.

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Old Jan 11, 2016 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by costina
Mine done 421BHP and 418lb ft on the same turbo and 55lb. with loads of boooost
418 with a t34.48 how long did the turbo last? What boost was that at? I've got the same set up and going nms in Feb/March for live mapping,
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Originally Posted by mickey2679
418 with a t34.48 how long did the turbo last? What boost was that at? I've got the same set up and going nms in Feb/March for live mapping,
Done about 3k on that turbo which is a cr turbo stg 2 with cutback blades hence the power but slighty more lag.
turbo is maxxed out at about 35psi peak and 28psi @5.5k.
Dynoed at Horsham developments who are a jap specialist on a DD dyno.
Full Msd chip.coilpack etc.

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Not bad for a std engine on 93k
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Old Jan 11, 2016 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by costina


Not bad for a std engine on 93k

Nice one!
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Originally Posted by jc1989rs
Easy all

So my 2wd is running a stage 1 been running that about a year now but want a bit more! Is it worth going to a stage 2 or should I go straight to a stage 3? I want to keep the standard turbo that's the reason I'm thinking stage 2.

Then I've got the problem of a descent 3 bar map sensor, I've heard bad things about the brands hatch ones so what's options? Second hand Marelli ones are like rocking horse s**t and are crazy money when they do come up.

Thanks chaps!
Speak to Matt Lewis regarding a MAP sensor mate as he has sorted out an alternative sensor, he tested one on my car last year and it worked fine 
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Old Jan 11, 2016 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitchen Devil
Speak to Matt Lewis regarding a MAP sensor mate as he has sorted out an alternative sensor, he tested one on my car last year and it worked fine 
That is good to know.
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Old Jan 11, 2016 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jontysafe
Nice one!
Don't forget when its dry i will take you out.
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by costina
Don't forget when its dry i will take you out.
Looking forward to it!

My engine build is well underway now. Bought Titan dry sump for it. Seeing engine builder Saturday to schedule everything as want back for summer.

Can feel my wallet weeping already.
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[QUOTE=costina;6649752]Don't forget when its dry i will take you out.[/
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You need a dry road with a big power 2wd thats for sure!
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jontysafe
Looking forward to it!

My engine build is well underway now. Bought Titan dry sump for it. Seeing engine builder Saturday to schedule everything as want back for summer.

Can feel my wallet weeping already.
Ouch
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 12:21 PM
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[QUOTE=cossynut2;6650118]
Originally Posted by costina
Don't forget when its dry i will take you out.[/
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You need a dry road with a big power 2wd thats for sure!
Oh yes i know from experience.
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 03:12 PM
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grrr wrong section.
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Originally Posted by costina


Not bad for a std engine on 93k
Amazing power/ torque levels Paul for that Spec
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Staffi
Amazing power/ torque levels Paul for that Spec
Yeah i know. I Asked Stu what i need to keep and eye on regarding temps etc.
Those guys asked what i thought it would be to which i replied anything over 350bhp but i have 400 lbft. First run resulted in wheelspin so it was tightened down more.
Then 421bhp happened and i asked is that correct 3 times while they was all looking amazed lol. And they are a jap tuner so no inflated figures for a ford taxi.
All i can say its good fun to drive.
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