I bought this car around 4 years ago.

Its a white 3 door cosworth, For some reason I took it upon myself to do a search on the vehicle via here and google tonight and its coming back with all kinds of story's.

When I got the car car it had a terrible paint job. I stripped her and had a professional job done and I can 100% say the car has always been white un-yet there is a post on RSOC saying it used to be black. Others are saying they went to see it when its was for-sale in around 2009 and it was full of filler and had different wings!!! I can safely say this car has original panels and was not that bad. Worst bit was the battery tray that I had replaced.

The car stikes me as a very very orginal white 3 door cosworth with loads a loads of history but is a non sunroof model and that's what got this whole ball rolling un-yet the roof lining is absolutely mint without sighns of being removed or tampered with.

All chassis numbers are sound and look to be un tampered with.

can anyone shed any light????

Dave 07836 22 55 06

 

As far as I am aware no factory 3 door in rhd ever came without sunroof so I presume it has been reshelled in either a motorsport shell or 1.3 shell. A new motorsport shell could have been stamped legitimately, the shell is only a part and if done correctly is not a problem.

 

quick google came up with this link to the RSOC.

http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/rsocbb...d.php?t=335614

 

Sounds like it's been reshelled.....

OR the private plate has been on another 3dr linking to that story?

Bin the plate, no one will ever know its the same car

 

It's certainly a strange one. Can anyone give me any pointers to look at later when I get home. Bulk head is all proper and so is front towing eye. As said chassis numbers are all straight and sound but shall have a really good look later by wiping off the under seal around chassis number to make sure it's not hiding anything.

I have lots of history dating back to when the car was new and it's always had the plate D40 NTA by the looks of things.

Did a HPI check on her yesterday and typed in chassis numbers, dates etc and it's 100% all clear.

Could it be a real one off or maybe one of the first and only registered later on as a d reg.

Or just wishful thinking and is another dodgy one???

Dave

 

if its a good straight clean car and you are happy with it thats all that really matters-finding one that isnt covered in underseal hiding horrid rot and repairs is the hard thing now..or cars that are recorded/total loss etc

too many people jump on threads slating cars when in reality they dont have a clue what they are on about

 

Came across a search on here when the car was forsale on piston heads in 2009.

Sounds like a totally different car so much so that the people that viewed it said it had no ABS and they looked in the boot and it appeared to be moonstone blue previously.

This car has 100% always been white I can assure myself of that at least. I never had the inside of the car painted and as such is still very original looking under carpets and has certainly had no colour changes.

I have sent someone called rocky robin who looks to be from Scotland, as he has added to the post that his friend owned this car form 91-95 and it was indeed a very smart car and a non sunroof model back then.

Will wait to see what he comes back with. Sounds like 2 different cars

Dave

 

Hi, Robin is my mate, I'll pm you his fb details if you want, might be easier to get a quick answer. Don't think he comes on here much.

Unfortunately I have a very similar experience recently with a series 1 I very nearly bought, turned out to be a ringer, hope this is not the same outcome.

 

 

Car looks really nice, wouldn't concern myself too much with RSOC lot, cars are for driving and enjoying after all they won't be around forever and neither will we, it checks out and looks great, who cares, you have a really nice 3 door, lack of sunroof would be a plus for me I hate em.

 

Yep that's her alright and it was only a couple of weekends ago I refitted the side stripes as my missus told me it looked like a giant tampon!!!!

Been out to the car tonight, chassis numbers are fully sound and all tally up to the plate that I have not yet got round to fitting back onto the slam panel.

When I removed the seats and carpet a couple of years back I remember there being no areas of concern around numbers.

I know its wishful thinking but I remember an original sales brochure/article on the cosworth and I am 100% that did not have a sunroof.

Dave

 

Its either an original 86 motorsport shell so will have the tow eyes fitted, or its a 909 motorsport shell thats had them retro fitted or its a non cos 3dr shell, if thats the case the door catch will be a single bolt rather then a bracket held on by two posi drive bolts.

The clues are there to be be found easily enough. No RHD 3dr cosworths were made without sunroofs only LHD versions.

No biggie if its a nice shell anyway

 

Right,

Have been back outside. Tow hooks look to be fully factory, door strikers are held on wit 2 posi drive screws each.

How now do the factory looking plates, chassis numbers and roof lining work out now??

Thanks for all your help

Dave

 

Just had a look through the files to see if I could help confirm anything, but unfortunately not registered within them, sorry unable to confirm anything

 

No probs boss.

As I have said I have had confirmation that the car did not have a sunroof in 1991 when I believe by looking back thru the history it was owned by a Mr and Mrs Bulock, the second owners.

Further research found what I believe to be the original owners as a Mr and Mrs Dymond. Its in there name from where the recipes begin and that's 87.

Its was registered in there business name so with some research and a 118 phone call I got there home number in Barnstable.

Made the call and got thru to Mrs Dymond. Turns out Mr Dymond did indeed own a white Sierra Cosworth way back when Reg D40 NTA. BUT he is not back till Thursday....lol

Will give him a call then and find out.

If it is a re-shell it was either done by Mr bullock who I am also waiting to get in touch with as they owned in from around 91 (when I know it still never had a sunroof as his friend has told me). Or the first owners, Mr and Mrs Dymond had it done when the car was not very old at all.

Or its the only rhd non sunroof white 3 door originally factory made!!! But I doubt it

Dave

 

Good luck with the history search.
Glad you are gaining info, and you are realistic too.
Lets have some more pics, as always good to see a cossie pic

 

Don't know how to upload boss, drop me a text and I will send you some.

If you could put them up that would be fantastic.

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I hope it turns out a happy ending but when your on about chassis numbers being sound if its been done properly you will never know unless you strip the paint off the floor pan.

 

If you dont want it i would buy it looks fantastic mate. A car of this age and use its hard to find the full 'true' past. I think you have a cracking car mate and bet drives well. Like a woman, dont ask to much about the past rides she had just think about the fun your going to have riding her

 

Sounds like its an original motorsport shell then, quite rare in fact if thats the case as most were used to build race and rally cars, nearly all the motorsport shells out there are the later 1989 909 lightweight shells, very few of which were ever used in anger in motorsport as they arrived too late.

 

Think of it this way. No sunroof means no leaky drain pipes causing rot!

 

Fingers crossed it will all become clear when I speak the the original owner of the car tomorrow evening.

I really do not think its a re-shell, its to original feeling and looking. The recipts for the car date back to 87 and all the bills are made out to a metal works company obviously they put the car thru the books as a company car, and his title on the website I found the owner on Is a metal worker and obviously a previous buiness owner.

When I got the car I rember it had slight damage to the ns roof rail just above the rear quarter window, I wonder if something possibly fell on the roof of the car way back when and he fitted a new roof skin along with a new non sunroof roof lining and map light cluster as I suppose back then the bits would of been on the shelf.

Or its a re-shell in which case I will be gutted!!! I wont lie lol

Dave

 

Any date stamps on the wings, front panel etc?

 

When I had the car painted they laid the paint on pretty thick on bonnet shut area. I have just been out and cant make out any stamps althought the spot welds look to be very factory and neat even tho they are well covered over by the painting I had done.

Dave

 

stabbing in the dark here, metal works company, leaky sunroof do away with the sun roof use metal from metal works company and make a roof for it ?? all standard cosworth apart from the new room skin because the leaky sunroof.. that just me stabbing in the dark mate.... but look a crack motor on the picture....

 

Interesting, quite possible to have had a new roof skin.

Was this car on eBay not too long ago?

 

Made the call to the original owner last night.

He can't recall it having a sunroof and he had it from brand new straight out the dealers.

He never put a roof on it nor did he re-she'll it but could not confirm either wayif it had one or not, it is almost 30 years ago.

He did tell me tho that before the Rs500's and the 909 shells came about the company did still need to make 200 non sunroof cosworth shells and it's a possibility one could have been made into a road car instead of a race/rally car.

Wishful thinking I know.

No mate I have had it for 5 years and never had it up forsale.

As I say it's been confirmed in a previous thread on here that it did not have a sunroof in 91 and 1990 was the year the chap I spoke to last night sold it.

Dave

 

at 5 years old in 1991 is unlikely to have been messed about to the extent of having a re-shell/re-roof unless it was damaged new on the transporter to dealers-they get up to all sorts of capers if this was the case -again unlikely
lovely looking car too

 

There is a remote chance it had a delete option from new but I imagine the first owner would have recalled requesting that. Does not detract at all these days if it has been reshelled, its all about condition now and it looks a great example today.

In fact if it is a V86 spec group N motorsport shell then all the RS500 touring cars are built from the same ones so you have quite a valuable item itself in its own right now that they have rocketed in value, make a handy spare shell for one of the wealthy owners as the 909 ones are the wrong spec for them if they ever had a major off.

 

I'm still trying to get in touch with this rocky robin chap as he knows the second owner of the car and apparently knows all about's its history.

If anyone knows him on a personal basis do you think you could inform him of this thread.

Thank you

Dave

 

I'll send him this link

 

Cheers mate

Dave

 

Had a scout around the boot floor,back panel etc for any build dates?

 

Interesting read, hope your digging pays off

 

Think I had food poisoning yesterday so took the day off from investigations, But I am back on it this week.

I think it will all become clear if rocky robin can get in touch with the second owner for me, a chap he use to work with. A Mr and Mrs bullock going by the history

Dave

 

Still no word from rocky robin.....

Anyone have his number they could send me???

Dave