Do all Escort Cosworths run an internal (in tank) fuel pump as standard?
Cheers Spadge...

 

Yes they do.

All concealed in the plastic tank.

Quite easy to buy and fit a bigger one though.




Dave.

 

Thanks Dave i just acquired what i believe is a new grp A one and want to list it properly on Ebay but had no idea if all Escos's had them

 

think with the gr.A one, you have to have a fitting kit too, so your pump should be fitted with that too, more money for the pump..

 

Dunno about fitting kits mate but this is the pump!

 

whats that pic.



Dave.

 

Lol it was the last pic i posted before this one i didn't copy the text properly the 1st time

 

Jules,

Has it got a hole on the bottom of it and a bag with the pump.

the bag is the pre-filter that fits at the bottom of the pump,clips around the bottom of the hole.



Dave.

 

Dave the bottom of it is just a gauze filter!

 

Looks very similar to my uprated pump Spadge (it deffo aint a std EsCos one)

Mike R can supply the fitting kit if required.

 

Cheers Bill but i won't be fitting it just sticking it on Ebay
Part number is 0 580 254 023 if that helps

 

I realise that but whoever buys it may ask if it's a straight fit or if there's anything else needed etc.....

The part no. would help if I could be arsed to go into the garage to find the box & part no. for mine

Phil would know the what the number is.....

Mine is a 195L/ph pump iirc.

 

Just found this:

http://clam.rutgers.edu/~dreadsct/re...uel_system.htm

Search page for "0 580 254 023" dunno how accurate the data is though.

 

the Bosch 023 is an uprated fuel pump for 500+ Bhp..
IMA\Boschman can confirm.. the 023 is deffo more than 195l/ph

 

003 is the pump we use for escos.

Dave,
The pump with the little filter bag is an ITP048 and runs lean around the 370bhp mark. You wont have one of them in yours, you will have one like Spadge is showing.

 

Pump with fitting kit to clarify whole kit.

 

Thanks everyone

 

yep i also have the same pump as stu posted

 

Stu @ M Developments,


Stu,

i don't have one like Spadge has.

think it is a 048 one.

Did order one from the advertiser in the mags and said it would do for 500bhp.

there were two types 350 and 500 one.

A walbro one it is.

Will do me though as not going any more, good job though.



Dave.

 

i ordered mine from glencoe and they said it was good for 350 ( ITP044 ) , turns out its the 048 thats the 350+ . false advertising surely ??

 

Could be that PF needs an essay on fuel pumps and their specs

The 048 WILL do 500bhp...




But NEVER on a YB

 

not on a YB, but my cvh will manage it
bring on the essay

 

thats who i got mine from.

they did say it was good for 500bhp, on an escort cos.




Dave.

 

Ive checked the flow on this pump with Bosch and its the same as on that webpage that Bill posted ie 168l/h.

So it beats me why some say its 500bhp pump when in fact it flows similar to Sapphire Cossie standard pump.

 

the old one was/is the new one stu uses ends in 003 and is over 200lt/hr

 

So what is 168 l/h safe for.

Not much.



Dave.

 

Lets clear this up....

davecos4x4 is on about the WALBRO PUMP

The 003 is NOT 200ltr an hr...the 023 flows 210lts/hr @ 6.5bar

 

I suggest you call them and ask for a flow chart of the pump at 5.5bar Dave.

That pump would possibly make 500bhp on a Toyota Supra, but no way will it flow it on a current configuration YB. Expect top end missfires and leaning off to danger levels, please be carefull till its sorted pal

 

Ima Racing700,


Correct.



Dave.

 

Regarding the 023, have you done this flow test yourself or where does that figure come from as Bosch says its 168l/h @ 5.0 bar?

 

At 5bar you are correct Andreas...BUT i hasten to add for some reason the pump supplies over 500bhp worth of fuel TESTED by many tuners....maybe its a voltage issue.

 

Ok, good we cleared that up.

 

We already know that Dave, and i promise you it wont do 500Bhp on a YB.

 

to quote the ad in this months fast ford mag, on page 152ish.

" motorsport ( 350 ) / trackday
(replaces AC Delco)
suitable for :-
FIESTA TURBO, ESCORT
COSWORTH "

alongside that is a jagged ballon with 'upgrade 350 BHP MAX £89.00 + vat '

then........

" Motorsport / trackday ( 500 )
suitable for :-
ESCORT COSWORTH"


also alonside that............ 'MOTORSPORT 500 BHP MAX £95.00 + vat '

now i honestly believe that anybody reading that ad would think, as i did, the first one is good for 350 and the second 500. it's not really a major problem for me as i'm only running 230ish bhp but for someone who is expecting it to cope with up to 350 is gonna have serious issues.

not slagging off glencoe cos all of the dealings i had with them were excellent but surely it's not good to claim the pump will do something they won't ON THE CARS THEY ARE DIRECTLY SUPPLYINg THEM FOR.

 

Your missing the point here chaps...

The person making thne error here is YOU LOT

For the last time...
The pump will probably flow enough fuel for 500Bhp. But NOT on a YB

Now how theyve chosen to word the advert is not my business, and for teh record, i think its fooking sly and have in fact told them so on behalf of a customer. Their official line is.. "the advert is a mistake"

I can only reitterate one last time....
Ring them and ask what it will flow at 5.5bar. That is what pressure you are asking it to flow the 500bhp of fuel at with 2bar boost. The ITP 048 struggles with 370 at that boost pressure, unless your tuner runs extra fuel pressure in which case it may not even flow 300bhp at 2bar boost..... lol

Its sly advertising folks, and just shows thata little knowledge can be dangerous. Be carefull out there

 

My mate Big Andy W bought the 350 version and it topped out at 350 as said so he bought a group A pump like what spadge has got and it cured it

Dave.

 

The price says it all to me! If a Bosch pump for 500bhp is near £180 then a 95 quid pump isn't going to be big enough...

 

I have also bought the Walbro in-tank pump for my Escort Cosworth. If I remember correctly it was GSS341.

Here is some test from the pump.
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumpguide.htm
It says it will flow

~170L/h @ 5,5bar (~80psi) @ 13,5V
~140L/h @ 5,5bar (~80psi) @ 12,0V

and some magazine? tested that it will flow

~190L/h @ 5,5bar (~80psi) @ 13,5V

 

what about GGRs grp A pump they say its a bosch and flows 195ltr per hr and there only 95 quid or 195 with fitting kit and goodridge hose they told me it will be suitable for 440 bhp conversion but i cant find the box with part number and have already stuck it in the tank is it really suitable for this kind of power????