as i will be starting to look into building a wrc engine next year at some point , i would like to no peoples views on who they think builds the best wrc cosworth engines. whos make the most flb . when looking at 2nd hand engines for sale mountune"s name pops up alot.
for my race engine ( track car ) in my op there was only one man to build it ..

but i do not no anything about wrc set ups

these names all pop up building wrc engines

mountune
harvey gibbs
tommy field
a1 rally sport
bluesprint
julian godferry


thanks steven

 

Julian Godfrey is the only choice for me

 

Have to say mountune since they made tem originally!

 

your in good hands with all of them imo

for me it would be tommy as he has built me an awesome engine (not wrc or a yb but dont think that matters)

 

It would be completely pointless to build a "WRC" engine unless you are tied to the restrictions imposed by WRC regulations.

Build an engine suited to your needs, not a specific race series. WRC cars run a tiny 30 or 32mm restrictor before the turbo, so their engineering requires very specific design that no normal engine would ever want to use. Because of the restrictor they operate over a much smaller rpm range as the engine is strangled.

So are you tied by those rules ?

 

Piero (xpower) he is ex mountune and he built some of the wrc engines , good bloke and not over priced and you get a propper job done .

 

Piero is next to joe as well and uses his engine dyno

 

the only yb builder/tuner that can achieve the power everyone dreams of and most builders try to copy his work but never can get it right

they did but there prep was crap


Steve the words wrc are very loosely used on here like tim finch and 909 part numbers

 

hello stevie, my plans are to run the car this year with my race engine and do track days, sprints , and 0 to 60 ect anything thats got no power limit.
in the mean time as and when i have spare cash i plan to buy or built a wrc escort engine , my plans are to start and rally . the car will have to run a restrictor as all rally cars do.
dominic while building this car has everything sorted that a engine and spec change will be a easy job for use to do when the time comes.

thanks steven

 

I'd go Harvey Gibbs!!

 

i am a member of the harvey gibbs fold already.
i wanted to here peoples op on other engine builders as good 2nd hand engines come up for sale now and then , so wanted to no whos engines are good and who to stay clear of. i might just build new .
dominic here in ireland is also a high up choice if building new .

thanks steven

 

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pierro was mountunes top engine builder and when talking wrc cosworth then mountune was used by more than anyone else!

Joe stevens(bluesprint)rents the unit to pierro and they are right next door to each other..all the the machine work etc will be done by all the same companies if you were to use pierro toommy mountune or joe so dont listen to jays waffle on bad prep etc!!

As joe will use all the same parts and machinists as pierro and is also just as good at building as pierro imo id use him..

Joe will do you a better deal than any off the others and can probably get it done sooner as i know pierro for example is fully booked up till gone january at the mo

cheers danny

 

hi danny, thanks for info, time is not a worry for me, i will be running the car as is for this in comeing year, i will buy mabie a good 2nd hand wrc engine i just dont realy no yet , or i will get a new one built and built it as i have the funds, i dont want the car to be layed up and not haveing some sort of use out of it.
dominic here in ireland is also very good at building these engines , plus hes my car builder .

have you any idea on cost of a new wrc spec engine build say if i have donner engine .

thanks steven

 

Hi ya steven..

I havnt been involved in one for a while now but a couple of years back a guy gave me a std 4x4 engine and asked for the same job (full wrc spec)and bench dynoed etc (306 hp and 490 lb ft) and iirc that cost £12k..

If you already bought a wrc spec engine that was just in need of re build and freshened up then obviously it would cost a lot lot less..


If you wanted an exact quote then give joe a bell or pm me mate and il ask all the relevant questions for you?


cheers danny

 

Do all of the aforementioned people build and tune the engines, or are some simply builders ?

Ideally you want to select someone who is supplying you a turnkey package. Getting multiple parties involved just complicates matters

 

For me, I would be having a chat with Mark Shead.

For what ever reason, over the years when looking through some of the drivel that Mark's customer type on here, his engine's torque outputs speak for themsleves against all others whom I have seen.

 

Mark we've done alot over the years with making wrc engines work, of you look at the last of the 2.0l engines in wrc they didn't make massive peak torque low down but sacrafise the huge torque at 3k rpm for more power held up the top. Some of the latest wrc engines I've seen done (yb's) have gone from 500lbft and 320bhp (genuine figures not some of the claimed 340bhp) to 480lbft and 320/325 for over 500 rpm more.

A Tarmac car seems to get on well with this type engine.

Ps mods if there is any issues let me know...

 

jim this is the kind of info i like to no about.

where is the power and torque better delivered at for best results .

thanks steven

 

would you not be better starting of in something not as wild as a wrc engine?as you will be new to the sport?

 

A fast road engine would be wilder than a WRC engine.

A fast road engine will easily see 600+ A WRC will not.

 

Steve, you sure u'll get a log book for the car from the MSA? it'll surely be K37 cat 2 logbook??

The elements of the WRC engine arn't particular hard to understand, all the engine builders you have named will be capable of producing a decent motor.

It would depend how authentic you wanted to be? i'd be ditching the WRC inlet plenum only run 4 injectors, spec a different turbo as the ancient IHI is a nightmare to maintain, put an alloy block on it...the list goes on...lol

Porting the WRC isn't as radical as a decent track motor, elevate the compression ratio, long rod, nikasil liners, lightweight valve train....

I know things are slightly different in Ireland but i'd be running it all past a scruttineer before going to far with building a rally car as you maybe planning...

 

never realy thought much about it mark, mabie you have a good point in what your saying, i will be very new to the sport , only thing i can say is i will not be out to brake any records , to finish the rally will be my maine object and not to dammage the car .
i will run the car as a track car first and enjoy my self , while haveing fun next year i will sort out a wrc engine with my spare cash .
will mabie buy good 2nd hand engine and get dominic to check it over . you never no who sell there car and brakes it mabie a good engine will fall into my lap .

thanks steven

 

hello ian i hoped you would pop in.

ref the log book , all i no is this fiesta has one, shell prep by gordon vincent and build by dominic mc neill .
here is seans


ref engine specs , i will have a chat with you near the time mabie you could pm me your number .

thanks steven

 

i would use domonic as he knows his stuff and is on your door step

 

What about M.A.D?

 

i have spoken with dominic ref a engine mark, he says lets get this car running first before i worry about an other engine lol

thanks steven

 

Was that to me Jimbo?

If so, I have no doubt you guys have, I have even less doubt that Mark Shead has done next to nothing with a restricted motor. But after a conversation with him years ago, I would let him have a go with one.

If he can get the results from some of the fastest road engines then, I would like to see him develop a restricted motor too.

 

Julian Godfrey develops builds and maintains restrictor engines day in day out and is now making 543 bhp and 920 nm torque with a 45 mm restrictor fitted as this is the current rallycross regs nobody else in the world can achieve this hence the £62000 price tag !!!

 

£62000?? That's serious money but obviously if you want the best you have to pay best money.

 

So whats the rebuild time on that ??? measured in hours ????

 

So whats the rebuild time on that ??? measured in hours ????

 

They are now doing two seasons between rebuilds

 

If you think that that engine will do two seasons with out even being taken apart then your even more silly than i thought!!!


Julian is an awesome engine builder as is all the others mentioned..

When it comes to building a wrc yb all the tricks are known by all the top builders that have been building these now for many years..

If you want to pay jg prices just to say he built it then its totally up to you but it will be around twice as much if not more than that for him to do so..



cheers danny

 

So what do I get for my £62k?

Bare motor? turnkey instalation? maintenance package?

anyone know?

 

IIrc its a dynoed complete engine only..



cheers danny

 

but they have been doing 2 seasons Julians fiesta has done 2 seasons with a top and tail effectively and won the championship

John Cross went through several yb builder's who were charging in excess of 45-50k a engine and in 1 season went through 14 engines in 9 race weekends so with discounts ect he spent in circa 300k+ to finish nowhere, went to Julian spent 48k and won 6 races straight off and one the european championship and after the 6 races the engine was just top tailed just for a check !The man is proven and the fact that most serious race car owners in europe and beyound dont think twice about havimg a engine built by him

 

it usually involves dyno + testing once fitted to iron out ir there is any issues mate

 

Thats a lot of money in labour and R+D when you price up the bits.

 

and theres a lot of development there to over the last 15 years to