ok guys.
I'm putting together a full parts list for my build and am going to be ordering most of the bits up next week from the web mainly.

Im building a Silvertop 2 litre engine for approx 400-430 bhp

PLease can people remind me if Ive forgotten anything or am dropping any bollo*!!

Silvertop 2litre - got

forged pistons and conrods - will order these as soon as Ive measured the bores - pistons to make 8.5:1 CR

main bearings etc - will order when stripped (does anyone have a cheap source? mahle?)

Focus RS steel headgasket

Reusing my silvertop oil pump (risky I know)

Pectel T2 ecu - got it on car already

Tubular exhaust manifold - getting one off ebay and adapting it

turbo - T04b sorted (I think)

HO inlet manifold

Piper valve springs

External wastegate (will use an adapter on the exhaust manifold

Bailey dump valve

Mt 75 gearbox Ive got

Focus RS clutch??? Im using the stock flywheel

and of course the oil feed and return for the turbo


ok, so what else do I need!!!!!

cheers

 

injectors for said power.

 

cheers!! its late lol

I should have put 80lb siemens injectors. Think that will give me enough ..

 

and I should add I've got a decent intercooler and mocal oil cooler on my current setup

 

other gaskets seals and headbolts, suitable engine mounting

 

what car, you might need 1.8 or 1.6 sump and oil pick up

 

Cheers mate.
its in a kit car, running a 1.8 silvertop zetec turbo at the minute.

 

erm, re-used oil pump should be fine, certainly no worse than an aftermarket replacement.
T04b from where? not an ebay jobbie, won't last, not seen one do 400-430bhp, look at a gt 3071/76r or a T38.
HO inlet will need work for end feed injectors, unless you've got side feeds for it.
piper springs, get in touch with devil developments instead, seem to have better springs available.
lots of oil for lots of early changes too

 

Agree about the springs. Had trouble with piper springs in a cvh and so have a couple others.

 

What about management ?

 

its from a seller on here mate. Its from a cossie he has broken. Is supplied by NMS who got it from Turbo Technics I believe. Apparently karl at NMS said it would do about 430hp....

I am still waiting for the turbo specs as the seller is having a job getting them off NMS!

Does this not sound possible from a T04b then??

Hmm, I never thought about the injector side feed/end feed bit..!!! thanks. Will look into it. Any advice which make I should go for or any alternatives?

and thanks chaps about the devil developments springs info. Ive seen some on ebay but they are about double the cost of the piper ones.... Looks like I will have to bite the bullet....

Management is taken care of by a Pectel T2 standalone. God knows where I will get a base map from though lol. I might have to use my 250hp 1.8t base map to get it to the Dyno..!

 

I would think you will need a better inlet than an HO item if you want to get the 400+ mark. Ian Howell does a damn fine inlet.

 

Why would you build a new engine and skimp on the oil pump? Considering its the lifeline of the engine, it seems a bit daft to me!

Also, won't whoever is tuning the car be supplying you with a base map?

 

cheers. I'm going to test it and if it proves a big restriction I will upgrade it..

 

Because it adds another Ł1000+ to the bill going dry sump.

 

Can you not get a new oem pump?

 

Dennis is bang on the money...!! I'm not going dry sump because I can't really afford to!!! It will add about Ł2000 to the price of the engine build

I'm going to wire up an oil pressure alarm and shut the engine off hopefully in time if it fails.
If it does, and damages the engine irreparably I will be going with a different engine...likely to be a YB!

 

No you can't get genuine Ford ones in the UK anymore but in Europe they still have old stock floating about.

'Apparently' the newer OE pumps were not as strong as the older ones anyway.

I just got a old pump, stripped it to see if the gears were in good condition. Hopefully it will be ok but as zetecbeast says best to stick a oil pressure gauge in there as a back up safety measure

 

Standard Silvertop oil pump is a risk at that sort of power, ticking time bomb over 400 bhp in my opinion! Keep a bit lower power wise and would be fine.

Unless you force a load of boost down its throat I think you would have to port the head as well. Also an MT75 is a weak gearbox that's well beyond its power limit at that stage. You need a T5 ideally.

A standard Focus RS clutch wouldn't hold up either, you would need paddle and they cost loads, so worth considering a Cossie style Zetec flywheel so you can fit the cheaper Cossie paddle clutches.

 

Cheers mate
I was thinking an uprated RS focus clutch...

yeah, I expect the pump may let go, but nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that!! For me, I would rather just pay out for a YB engine than go to the expense of a dry sump on the zetec.

I will give the head a mild porting, yarp.

As for gearboxes, right , thanks. I will have to look at a T5!! Im hoping with the weight of the car though (700kg) that the box will hold out.
I should have put MTX 75.... is that any better? lol. I know its easily specced to handle the 250hp I have now

 

Ah right - is it front wheel drive or rear wheel drive? The MT75 is the RWD box and weak. The MTX75 is the FWD box and strong! Lol

 

Yeah, I was half asleep posting that earlier!! Its a mid engined car running a FWD setup

 

as Si said, uprated FRS paddle, just got one in mine, about Ł440 delivered, bargain or what :blub:
i need to get mine on the rollers in the colder weather and see how well the HO inlet holds up, got plenty of boost to throw down its neck though.

 

Whats your engine spec mate ? would be keen to hear!

Ł440
whats the cossie style zetec flywheel Si mentions? I would love to use a cheaper cossie clutch!!! ack bloody cars lol

 

oh does anyone know a good place to get a Gt30R from pricewise? They are budget blowingly expensive tho...

 

my spec is a forged 2046cc blacktop zetec, gt3071r turbo, goes some in a mk2 xr2.

best place is probably owen developments or turbo dynamics when i was looking for one, i got a used one in the end for a good price, but budget Ł1300 for one new.
they run forever after switching engine off, really show how journal ones are more laggy.

FRS paddles are expensive, but work a treat, i had mine at 1.8BAR and held no issue, was surging a little though, so need to map that out.
also, don't do the cosworth paddle, not heard of one working well, even had a go myself and that wasn't great, couldn't handle more than 1.2BAR, the problem is the used FRS covers aren't that good, the uprated ones on the paddle kit are far better, much higher clamping load springs used.

 

RDT is doing GT3071r's and GT3076r's for less than Ł900, can't remember the exact price, but definitely Ł8xx. If that's any help, send me a PM and I'll forward you the contact details

 

Ł1134 inc vat is RDTs price for the Gt30 72r with vband option.
That's a great price as well.
I tried turbo technics, what a bunch of tossers!! They gave me the number of somewhere else thats Ł300 more than the price above..

But if anyones selling a T38 or similiar good for 450 hp please pm me asap

 

wilky can do a T38 for around Ł550, that's when i asked a few weeks back.
GT3071r (no 72 as far as i know).

did you try turbo dynamics a fair bit cheaper
http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/shop/...1r-p-2227.html
Ł945 ish........

 

Cheers mate.
yes I was wrong, its a GT3071r, not 72

Is Wilky a member on here? does anyone have contact details?

thanks for the turbo dynamics link.... that does seem a lot cheaper, although the vband option is an additional cost . But still. thats a great price!!!

 

v band, make an adapter for about Ł30 if that's what you need, in fact i have one i made from my old one on a 5 bolt, dead easy.
wilky is his username on here, also bernies turbos or something very similar on facebook.
when i was looking, he suggested making up a T38 with a housing from this and machined out comp housing, bigger wheel and what not with 360 bearing for Ł550.
that's what he does, makes turbos and rebuilds, very helpful even though i didn't buy one from him.
the GT3071r on my setup is an animal, only running pansy power though at the moment (20psi) as i've swung cams to make better power down low and traction is an issue in wet weather.
i've had it at 1.8BAR and that is really pulling hard then.
a T38 will pull well, just a little laggier.

 

Cheers mate.
I've contacted Wilky, will see what he says.
I'm still waiting to see what the exact specs of that T04b are, but I'm not sure it will make the power I want. What do they typically make?

If not and if I can't get a T38 for pikey power. I will have to cough up for a GT3071. There's n doubt its a great turbo... just blows a bit of a hole in the budget

 

Surely making a 5-bolt to vband adapter is majorly defeating the object?

 

Is anyone running 400hp plus with stock zetec cams? what about cam wheels? are turbo people running stock ones or adjustable??

What kind of advance is best?

Looking for input please

thanks

 

me ! but i will be fitting some veriers soon

 

Nice!! stock cams and stock cam wheels?
what hp are you running mate? cheers

 

the standard pulleys are adjustable, however properly crude.
get in touch with mk motorsport, he did me a good price on a pair for mine
however i do not run standard cams, although i have heard of using an inlet cam on the exhaust side.

 

yes both cams and wheels are standard .
be on the dyno soon but should be 400-420hp

 

Ah, k. cheers mate.
I think I will try it with stock cams and see what occurs lol! My budget is going to shit at the moment lol

 

i have blanking plugs and oil return and breather fittings if you need them